You people need to calm the 17 down!!!
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Disagree with your LSU comment, respectfully. LSU was much more balanced and consistent on offense in 2007 with Matt Flynn at QB. WRs were more talented. This year's QB and WR corps doesn't compare. OL in 2007 was better b/c this year's team was dessimated by injury. RBs are equal.
Defensively LSU was stout in 2007 much as they are now. So I agree with the comparison. They had Glenn Dorsey who was better than both starting interior lineman. The DE's are better this year. LBs are equal with Beckwith and Kelvin Sheppard in 2007 and so were secondary - Craig Steltz (All American), Chevis Jackson, Jonathan Xenon all equal this year's corners and safeties as a group (may be missing someone). Just wanted to give a Tiger opinion
The last two games, you have been better offensively than I remember from 2007. I don't know what Mett did in the off week, but whatever it did worked. Most of the passes he beat us(and Bama for that matter) on were absolutely perfect NFL passes. He will light up these last two defenses like a Christmas tree. You simply do not benefit from a down Alabama and getting a "transition" Florida team at home this year. The teams are similar in many other ways.
And there was basically a 14 point swing in he closing couple of minutes. We should have scored, but tossed the interception for a TD. It could easily have been 30-24. And who knows? We might've gotten an on-side kick and scored again. MSU played very well and did not get blown out at all.
Actually, if we hadn't fumbled (freshman mistake) this game would have been even closer. That's what I'm saying, we showed up and left it all on the field. Don't like to lose, but there is no shame in losing to a team better than you are, especially if you compete. We play like that our next two games and we have a chance. I think this team understands that now.
Here is how I see it...
We have been to 16 bowl games in over 100 years of football. Heck USM has been to that many in the past 20 years. OUr all time winning % is below 500. Here we are going to our third bowl game in a roll. We still have a very good chance to finish the regular season with a 9 and 3 mark with a possible 10th win in a bowl game. I don't know what the problem is. Miss State does not have a great football hisory and we play in the hardest Division of the hardest conference and we are over 500 for the third year. For those of you who are unhappy it is obvious you have not been a Miss STate football fan very long. Be happy because things could be and has been very much worse.
We have been to 16 bowl games in over 100 years of football. Heck USM has been to that many in the past 20 years. OUr all time winning % is below 500. Here we are going to our third bowl game in a roll. We still have a very good chance to finish the regular season with a 9 and 3 mark with a possible 10th win in a bowl game. I don't know what the problem is. Miss State does not have a great football hisory and we play in the hardest Division of the hardest conference and we are over 500 for the third year. For those of you who are unhappy it is obvious you have not been a Miss STate football fan very long. Be happy because things could be and has been very much worse.
We typically have great defenses? What team have you been watching? Cause it hasn't been us.
Wow I really disagree with you. First off the SEC was very down that year. The only other team that did not lose four games that year in the SEC was UGA who we did not play. So we did not beat a team with less than four defeats in the SEC. We were losing to UF by 10 to start the 4th, was losing to AU with seconds left, and we were down by a TD to Bama with 3 minutes left. We were lucky to win those games against teams that combined for 14 losses. Then we got beat by a 3-5 in the sec UK team, and a five loss 4-4 in sec Arkansas team. The 07 team goes 4-4 in the SEC playing the same schedule we played this year, and that's if they don't lose to teams they should have beat. The offense was certainly better to start the year but they are not as far apart now as our defense was that year from this. A&M, Bama, USC would have scored at least 40 on that defense. A bad Bama team put 34 on it. Dorsey got hurt in the Auburn game and he was non factor whenever he was in after that just limping all over the field. Pittman and Favorite were ok, but they were not great on the Dline. Getting RJF back for the BCSNCG was huge when he was suspended all year. Sheppard just played special teams that year getting mistaken for Perriloux by fans, however you left out Highsmith. Luke Sanders was not the best and the corners and Taylor were not up to this teams standards.The only starters on that defense that were drafted in the NFL were Jackson, Dorsey and Steltz (4th round) Taylor (7th round no longer playing in NFL) The rest of the starters never came close to making an NFL roster. This defense is way better than 2007 and all the starters will be drafted except for maybe Barrow. Now the 2006 team could have possibly matched this team talent wise.
Azzuri: Ok let me crawfish a little on this. Banks & Slay would benefit GREATLY if whenever safety help is SUPPOSED to ne over the top then a couple of things would happen. A.) Bump & run or man press would be a viable option and I actually think those coverages in a cover 2 set would be our strength. B.) Being in those sets with our personnel would and should create more negative plays for our defense (sacks, ints etc). When we face a team like Bama or LSU who likes to be in a 2 no more than 3 WR set and the OLB has to bump over to cover the TE (because both is their TE) the safety would bite on PA. We tried countering that by going to a nickel package which made us smaller and when they countered our switch to nickel with a lot of which "belly", "dive" & short toss gut plays from the pistol they started pushing us around pretty good. That problem should fix itself as our last 2 games are more perimeter based teams. We'll probably stay in nickel ALOT in these next 2 games.
Dawgzilla: if cannot see this loss for what it was and completely lack perspective.....I'm talking to you.
Dawgzilla: if cannot see this loss for what it was and completely lack perspective.....I'm talking to you.
"You people" can settle for average if you want to but that is not for me. We hired Dan Mullen to come in and change the program and make it into a great program and that's what I expect. You say we can't beat the top ten teams. Folks we were at number 11 BCS prior to the Alabama game. So, Alabama was number 1 and we were number 11 so we don't have a chance. But A& M was not a top ten team this week and went there and took them down. Mississippi State was ranked 15th when we played a number 16 team A&M. Still don't have a chance? Not because we don't have the team but because we didn't play with an attitude. We played LSU well enough to win but didn't. When we are number 11 and are playing a top ten program I expect us to have a chance to win but if you don't then enjoy the average attitude.
yep. I saw CRITICAL turnovers...in particular milton's for which there was no excuse other than being young. You can't let them have that score before half getting the ball with .48 secs. Our DL is just not there...my opinion is it is coaching, I say that because I think we have the talent there. They can't get off blocks or disengage. They are very very GENERIC in their pass rush. I thought Nick Griffin did a great job in between the tackles and looked way more decisive better than LDP against a stout DL.
Mainly, our receivers are ok if we had a deep threat which we don't have. When we have had a deep threat over the years we didn't have a qb that could get it to him. Now we have that qb but no deep threat. VICIOUS CIRCLE. SEC secondaries just start to condense the field if you can't stretch them, and we can't.
They gave a lot better effort sat, and I was proud/happy about that. I still say we have to get up and win the ARKY and OM games and it is a good year. Get after recruiting again....we will have our day in the sun if we keep on fighting.
Mainly, our receivers are ok if we had a deep threat which we don't have. When we have had a deep threat over the years we didn't have a qb that could get it to him. Now we have that qb but no deep threat. VICIOUS CIRCLE. SEC secondaries just start to condense the field if you can't stretch them, and we can't.
They gave a lot better effort sat, and I was proud/happy about that. I still say we have to get up and win the ARKY and OM games and it is a good year. Get after recruiting again....we will have our day in the sun if we keep on fighting.
You must not follow my posts on here too much. Let me sum it up for you. I appreciate your position to hold the fanfare accountable for picking up the morale around here, i really do. I do IN FACT appreciate it SO much that I was doing what you are doing now the entire week before the Auburn game and the UT game when all these other dumbasses were shooting me down. But the reason I was optimistic is because I know what I saw as far as matchups we could exploit. I feel I have a pretty decent grasp of what i see (as I coach) Vs. what you see. And i didn't see us winning their games. I did see some things Vs. aTm we could exploit but we came out flat. But then I watched aTm do the same damn thing Vs. Bama the best team (even still right now over Oregon/ND/K-State). Hell LSU has proven they can beat Oregon and I think aTm could light ND & K-State up. Just like I know that we are going to get our 8th win Vs. Arkansas. If we lose Saturday I will be standing right beside you being pissed off but I am not right now. And Dawgstudent i disagree with what you said about Ok State. We need exposure like that game for recruiting.
You sound like a 2-year old. Do you really think that just by saying you're "not going to settle for average" we're going to magically be able to compete on the road with teams like Bama and LSU? The facts are we have one of the lowest budgets in the conference. We're in a smaller state and have to share it with another SEC team plus two of the top programs in the nation are within an hour of the Mississippi border. We're in a state that does not develop players at the high school level like most other states do and a lot of the better players really struggle to qualify. You people think we can turn into a national top-10 power just because you want to. Well, I'm sorry, but that's just not realistic. And no matter how much you pout about it or say it doesn't matter, that doesn't change anything.
This. That is the reality of football at Mississippi State.
Baseball? That's a different story.
Exactly what Engie and Pat said.
We can play with almost anyone with our 1's on the field.
Where we get in trouble is our 2's are a mixture of 2's and 3's and our 3's are 4's at best. The bigger programs grind us down and run away at the end of games because of this.
We can play with almost anyone with our 1's on the field.
Where we get in trouble is our 2's are a mixture of 2's and 3's and our 3's are 4's at best. The bigger programs grind us down and run away at the end of games because of this.