His offenses aren't great either. He is your classic position coach who got promoted higher than his skill set warrant.
Your top 5 replacements for head coach
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His offenses aren't great either. He is your classic position coach who got promoted higher than his skill set warrant.
Golden can't win in a bad ACC. What makes you think he could be competitive in the B1G?
And, do you guys think that Nebraska fans are having the same discussion right now?
And, do you guys think that Nebraska fans are having the same discussion right now?
I'm basically in agreement with this. He had a talent advantage over most of the ACC and he couldn't do much better than mediocre and same as Shannon before him. He's likely to be at a talent disadvantage here with us in the B10 no matter how good you think he may recruit here. So it has to be made up with better coaching.
I get that. It would really concern me.
As far as coordinators go, I would still be high on Scott Frost. I know a lot of people are concerned about Oregon, but there big issue isn't offense, it's that their defense is the worst in the Pac-12. There offense is like 8th in ppg and 12th in yardage despite losing the Heisman winner.
Schiano, Schiano, Schiano, Schiano, Schiano..
you need someone who understands Nj and how f'd up it is. Get us on track for 6 years until we are fully funded. If he hasn't done something good by then, look elsewhere.
you need someone who understands Nj and how f'd up it is. Get us on track for 6 years until we are fully funded. If he hasn't done something good by then, look elsewhere.
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agree, agree, agree, agree, agree. Best out there and it is not even close. He recruited very well against the Big Ten when he was stuck in the BE. He would reestablish RU in both NJ and the east. Great choice.
Yea I'm not sold on him yet. I'd like to see more after his time with Mariota. The numbers look good but against MSU 28 pts, Utah 20 pts, Washington 20 pts against EWU 62 Georgia state 61 ASU was quadruple OT for 61 etc.. so without looking at it too detailed are his numbers being skewed up with games against poorer competition. MSU isn't their usual self this year on D and I think Washington/Utah are probably mediocre on defense.
Bill O Brien...I assume he will be fired from Texans
Mario Cristobal
Schiano....we are like Kansas state and he is like Snyder
Josh McDaniels...yes NE OC
Charlie a Strong....assume he will be fired by Texas
That said, I expect stupid flood to be here next season....
Mario Cristobal
Schiano....we are like Kansas state and he is like Snyder
Josh McDaniels...yes NE OC
Charlie a Strong....assume he will be fired by Texas
That said, I expect stupid flood to be here next season....
Could be the only name ever mentioned as a possible Flood replacement who Flood probably can out coach (Kyle lets his coordinators do their thing, and from what I've heard (might be wrong), KF has the eye for the under the radar talent in the campsWe're in a forest, and it's really dark right now. Only one man can lead us out of this mess.
Grab and Axe and Chop!
1. Knows the recruiting landscape
2. Fewer home invasions and arrests
3. Unlikely to break school or NCAA rules
4. Will micromanage the program back to shape
5. Will clean house
6. Will create a buzz with the national media, the local media and with recruits
7. Will restore the program to the antediluvian glory we once enjoyed.
exactly...and the people forget he had this team loaded pretty well with AAC recruiting before he left. I think he could have made us special had the bucs not come calling.
The desireability of Rutgers has been overestimated for decades. When do we get the guys who are at the top of our list (holds true for BB, too)? Sure, we're B1G and that has some Cache, but except for under Schiano we've been a laughing stock in FB. And now we have a less than indifferent administration, poor quality donors, no money for coaches or facilities upgrade....shall I go on? And you expect the hot coach of the month to say "I'll wait for 7 years for that B1G $$$ to kick in -- lemme sign that substandard contract! I don't care that all those high-end jobs are open. I'll take RUTGERS."
Grow up. Open your eyes.
Grow up. Open your eyes.
THIS! Some people have honestly no idea whatsoever how low the bar has been set and how far we have fallen or how incompetent a coach, Kyle Flood is - it transcends wins and losses.
Flood is the most incompetent coach in all of college football. Anybody with a pulse would be an upgrade.
The only way Schiano should be hired is :
Fire Flood now , if for cause can be used and hire Greg for the remainder of Kyle's contract with same salary.
That way Schiano will be back where he can rebuild the program he made respectable and won't cost RU the going rate.
If he doesn't bring RU to the next level by the time contract is up, RU can replace him.
But if he does, extend his contract and pay him the going rate that the better HCs make.
I doubt for cause can be used and I also doubt Rutgers would pay the salary Schiano would ask for and give him the power he would demand .
Flood will be back next year because Barchi won't spring for the buyout money and the cost to hire a decent replacement .
Only way Kyle goes is if boosters pay the price
Fire Flood now , if for cause can be used and hire Greg for the remainder of Kyle's contract with same salary.
That way Schiano will be back where he can rebuild the program he made respectable and won't cost RU the going rate.
If he doesn't bring RU to the next level by the time contract is up, RU can replace him.
But if he does, extend his contract and pay him the going rate that the better HCs make.
I doubt for cause can be used and I also doubt Rutgers would pay the salary Schiano would ask for and give him the power he would demand .
Flood will be back next year because Barchi won't spring for the buyout money and the cost to hire a decent replacement .
Only way Kyle goes is if boosters pay the price
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There are many obstacles to Greg Schiano coming back. Biggest one is I am not sure he wants to come back. Second, the game of thrones battle between the power brokers to keep Flood or to get rid of him is still very much up in the air - yes, even if we don't make a bowl. I already heard the excuse that if Greg could finish with 4 wins in 2010 and didn't get fired, same should be extended to Flood. So the Flood defense will be fierce. Third, assuming Flood gets canned and Greg has a change of heart and returns, JH might not want Greg. If teh opportunity presents itself, JH will want to make her signature hire - and bringing Greg back won't be that.
All that said, if there is one factor that could over come all of the obstacles it is this - Greg Brown is a very big Greg Schiano fan.
All that said, if there is one factor that could over come all of the obstacles it is this - Greg Brown is a very big Greg Schiano fan.
Real good call on Aranda he's young and a real visionary on defense. He makes that defense more than the sum of all parts. It would be an outside the box hire. But his kids play with good sound fundamentals. I think he would make a hell of a head coach. My other suggestion would be Charlie Strong after losing to Iowa St. today I don't think he's going to survive much longer. He will be damaged goods and you can probably get him on the cheap. Then Ruhle his kids are also playing fundamentally sound he doesn't have a long track record but recruiting is tough at Temple and he's done damn good in that department. Dino Barber is another name I would like.
First of all, I'm not against replacing Flood if the money was there to make a true upgrade for a proven coach.
But did the OP seriously start a thread not even knowing the names of the guys he suggests should take over this program AND included Al Golden on the list?
This is what makes me crazy about this board.
But did the OP seriously start a thread not even knowing the names of the guys he suggests should take over this program AND included Al Golden on the list?
This is what makes me crazy about this board.
I've said this before and I don't think there's such a thing as "proven" coach save for a select few. It's just an illusion that people have for the guys they may prefer. Just about all candidates are a risk and every situation is different. Some guys can thrive in different situations some guys you have to have the right fit. Most aren't guarantees no matter how good you think they may be. It's just about trying to play the probabilities as best as possible.
Good Lord.
Bill O'Brien is not a college coach and should not coach in college again. He doesn't like recruiting, glad handing or representing a university.
McDaniels? Yeah, okay.
Strong isn't going from Texas to Rutgers. Miami maybe.
My only HC experience is my son's flag football team--for one game. But we did win in a rout.
You talked me into it. What's the pay?
No he won't.
And, don't underestimate two other themes running through this thread.
1. Schiano is heavily interested (wants Miami first though).
2. Administration is interested in Golden (among others).
If Greg doesn't get the Miami job, a lot of people around here are going to have a serious case of "get over it."
AT least we won't have to repaint the Hale Center--which was a big concern in the Culture thread.
If it's either of those two I'd be disappointed. So want a change from that whole Paterno/Schiano/Flood line. I hope "among others" gets more consideration lol.
Golden is likely tied to the hip of Mark D as his DC and I'm not thrilled about that. He did switch to a spread type offense with James Coley a couple years ago but the results weren't there. Golden may have been a DC but in my eyes he's still one of those CEO type coaches. I don't see him as some X/O guru. He needs good coordinators and his decisions on that front are questionable and we know one half is already filled with Mark D.
Schiano, while I don't want him, if he used a spread on offense and could choose a good OC to institute unlike Strong at Texas, and left the guy alone I could live with him. I'm not confident that would be the case. I'm also not sold that his baseline is mediocre results in the B10 like many here think. It depends on what he does with the offense.
It's not as if we had tons of success throughout our history to go back to the same playbook. Turn the page and try something new. If it fails it fails but at least try. There are 3 scenarios we do better, we do worse OR we do the same. People just assume it's either better or worse we could just as easily be in the same 6-7 win area but at least we would have taken a shot.
I know I'm painting with a broad brush, but in general spread offenses don't come with strong defenses. Strong defenses are synonimous (SP?) with ball control. Imagine Schiano's swarming defenses having to come out with only two minutes rest after each offensive possession -- either 3-and-out or a 4 play touchdown. Eventually playing 80 plays a game.
Spread offenses play for shoot-outs. Can't see a defensive coach like Schiano wanting to be in a game like that.
For those of you who's main objection to Schiano is his meddling in the offense, would assurances that a competant/compatable OC would be handed the reins and left 'alone' be acceptable? I'm thinking somebody who's a longtime buddy who he respects and gets along with. An offensive version of Wannstedt, e.g.
Spread offenses play for shoot-outs. Can't see a defensive coach like Schiano wanting to be in a game like that.
For those of you who's main objection to Schiano is his meddling in the offense, would assurances that a competant/compatable OC would be handed the reins and left 'alone' be acceptable? I'm thinking somebody who's a longtime buddy who he respects and gets along with. An offensive version of Wannstedt, e.g.
I agree with this and have said before that a byproduct of a spread is usually, but not always, a weaker defense. However that doesn't mean you can't deliver a top 50-65 defense using a spread. Teams do. Venables at Clemson has had defenses in the top 10 lately and he steadily built it up to that over his time there. That's an ideal but I don't expect it. TCU/Baylor have had defenses in that mediocre range of 50-65 and sometimes over 80+. Memphis had good scoring defense last year at 11 and I think a total defense in the 30s. This year they've dropped like a rock after losing their DC and about 13 starters/backups.
There are other examples. It can be done. I don't need a top defense, just give me mediocre (top 50-65) and combine it with a top 15 offense and I think more times than not we'll end up in a place we like.
As to Schiano, not really it would depend on if that OC is a spread OC or not. If not, then no thanks, I'm still not sold on him not getting involved especially if there are hiccups along the way which is always possible. To me the spread is the best avenue to overachieving your status on the college landscape and I've given examples many times here. It's the best chance to close the talent gap we'll inevitably face here.
You can say Golden/Schiano would recruit better than Flood and I agree but it's never going to be enough to close the talent gap with the top in the B10. It has to be made up with coaching and a spread is the best equalizer. How far down the totem pole can you go for successful pro style teams? MSU/Wisconsin/Stanford. How far for spread teams? TCU/Baylor/Ole Miss/Miss St/Oregon/Fresno/NIU/Memphis/Houston.
Sometimes the success is fleeting and sometimes sustained but the best chance for improvement and overachieving your status is with a spread. There's a reason so many teams use it. They can't all be fools and not everyone is going to recruit gangbusters. Mind you it doesn't mean it'll automatically be successful you still have to put guys in place who know how to install it. If it failed, I'd try again with another guy who could hopefully do better.
There are only 2 coaches who could be realistically available that I'd trust enough to institute a pro style here and MAYBE have a chance to have success with it. Mark Ricth/Bret Bielema. Outside of them Schiano, Golden, or whomever else is realistically available right now I wouldn't trust with a prostyle.
Another article with more about Dave Aranda
Here are some excerpts from the article:
After all, it was Andersen who brought creative defensive coordinator Dave Aranda to Madison and it was Andersen who favored a faster, more aggressive, more multiple defensive approach. That combination has consistently landed UW’s defense among the national leaders in many statistical categories since Aranda showed up.
If anything, UW’s defense is better than ever in its third season under Aranda....
He allows a lot of guys to be put in certain positions to make plays. I definitely think we’re more aggressive as a defense. ... I definitely think it’s a faster defense. We might not be as big as some of the guys in the past, but we definitely have a lot more speed, which allows us to do a lot more things coverage-wise.
The defense is no one-year wonder, either. In cumulative statistics covering Aranda’s three seasons, UW ranks second in the nation in points allowed and yards allowed, third in passing yards allowed and fifth in rushing yards allowed. About the only area it hasn’t produced impressive numbers is takeaways.
UW has had some great defenses over the past 25 years, but they were often tilted toward stopping the run. This one is more versatile. It is built to meet any offensive challenge, whether it’s classic Big Ten power football or a speed-based spread attack.
“When I came in as a freshman and was a redshirt freshman, we were styled more for heavy run fit,” said safety Michael Caputo, also a fifth-year senior. “But the guys on the back end then were probably just as fast as us now. It’s just that up front we’ve toned it down in terms of size. But I think we get the same job done.”
It’s hard to argue that point. Besides being second nationally in points allowed this season, UW is eighth in yards allowed with 279.9 per game, a statistical improvement over 2014 (fourth at 294.1) and 2013 (seventh at 305.1)
Aranda switched UW from a 4-3 to a 3-4 front upon his arrival, but that’s not all that has changed. The Badgers give opponents way more looks than past UW defenses did.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html
Here are some excerpts from the article:
After all, it was Andersen who brought creative defensive coordinator Dave Aranda to Madison and it was Andersen who favored a faster, more aggressive, more multiple defensive approach. That combination has consistently landed UW’s defense among the national leaders in many statistical categories since Aranda showed up.
If anything, UW’s defense is better than ever in its third season under Aranda....
He allows a lot of guys to be put in certain positions to make plays. I definitely think we’re more aggressive as a defense. ... I definitely think it’s a faster defense. We might not be as big as some of the guys in the past, but we definitely have a lot more speed, which allows us to do a lot more things coverage-wise.
The defense is no one-year wonder, either. In cumulative statistics covering Aranda’s three seasons, UW ranks second in the nation in points allowed and yards allowed, third in passing yards allowed and fifth in rushing yards allowed. About the only area it hasn’t produced impressive numbers is takeaways.
UW has had some great defenses over the past 25 years, but they were often tilted toward stopping the run. This one is more versatile. It is built to meet any offensive challenge, whether it’s classic Big Ten power football or a speed-based spread attack.
“When I came in as a freshman and was a redshirt freshman, we were styled more for heavy run fit,” said safety Michael Caputo, also a fifth-year senior. “But the guys on the back end then were probably just as fast as us now. It’s just that up front we’ve toned it down in terms of size. But I think we get the same job done.”
It’s hard to argue that point. Besides being second nationally in points allowed this season, UW is eighth in yards allowed with 279.9 per game, a statistical improvement over 2014 (fourth at 294.1) and 2013 (seventh at 305.1)
Aranda switched UW from a 4-3 to a 3-4 front upon his arrival, but that’s not all that has changed. The Badgers give opponents way more looks than past UW defenses did.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/...cle_ebdf76fd-c897-504e-9c6a-26cca3bbf2da.html
I shake my head when I see all the high profile coaching names thrown out. First there are too many better coaching opportunities open at other schools for Rutgers to get their guy. And to attract a great coach with all these other openings at higher profile schools , Rutgers would have to pay plenty to get that person. And would they offer such money ? Not on your life. I see Rutgers giving Flood another year when buyouts are lower and less attractive other openings to compete against, Rutgers keeps most of his key recruits, and Rutgers possibly having more money to pay someone. To justify giving Flood another year, I see Rutgers claiming this year is a washout due to the early season suspensions and dismissals, injuries to key players , and breaking in a new QB...