Fire Shrewsberry.

ND fired Brey 4 this bullshit?

General consensus on this board was that it was a great hire.

Oh hell they're only down 30......no problem

The program is in bad shape for sure.

Bigjoe22 said:

General consensus on this board was that it was a great hire.

I admit I was wrong, and I am shocked how bad he has been 3 years in. Yes Burton got hurt, but you need a backup plan… Find a poor man’s Matt Farrell to run the offense. Unacceptable in year 3

Give him 1 more year, he will have all him players healthy(hopefully). But, I think he will have to, at least get into the NIT to survive another year.

WhiteB said:

Give him 1 more year, he will have all him players healthy(hopefully). But, I think he will have to, at least get into the NIT to survive another year.

Time to cut bait.

Irishjohn68 said:

ND fired Brey 4 this ********?

Brey wasn’t fired.

Bigjoe22 said:

General consensus on this board was that it was a great hire.

I think the consensus was that he would be a good coach and thus a good hire. But there were a number of us who were scratching our heads about giving a guy with such a thin resume a 7-year contract. I was not a lone wolf howling about this.

No reason to keep him, he is an embarrassment

There isn’t even a hope on offense. It’s miserable.

o_fedman said:

I think the consensus was that he would be a good coach and thus a good hire. But there were a number of us who were scratching our heads about giving a guy with such a thin resume a 7-year contract. I was not a lone wolf howling about this.

Seemed like you understood it was the cost of doing business here.

o_fedman said:

Any new coach, including Schrewberry, is going to demand at least a 7 year contract with a hefty buyout. This roster is in such disarray and fan support at an all-time low, that there will be some bad seasons as the new coach rebuilds the program. The new coach will not want to work his *** off in a rebuild just to find himself fired after 3-4 years before his work bears fruit. He will demand those 7 guaranteed salary seasons before signing his ND contract.

Does ND care enough about basketball at this point to even fire him? I legitimately question this. I swear we could go portal in 10 of the best D3 players and one of the best D3 coaches and be better. We wouldn't be good but we'd be better. Purdue is out here at the top of the sport with Braden Smith as their star player for goodness sakes.

Juicy J said:

Does ND care enough about basketball at this point to even fire him? I legitimately question this. I swear we could go portal in 10 of the best D3 players and one of the best D3 coaches and be better. We wouldn't be good but we'd be better. Purdue is out here at the top of the sport with Braden Smith as their star player for goodness sakes.

Fun fact: Braden Smith only ended up at Purdue because Micah Shrewsberry left the Purdue coaching staff and one of Purdue's commits followed him to Penn State. The spot that opened up was filled by Smith.

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I think the MAC-level roster talent is a bigger issue than the coach. I realize he’s hurt but Marcus Burton makes a lot more sense scoring 24 per in the Horizon League than as a centerpiece of an ACC team. A new coach won’t fix our glaring admissions/transfer/NIL-related roster construction challenges.

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Tyler James said:

Seemed like you understood it was the cost of doing business here.

This was true then and it is true today. A 7-year contract is what any good coach with a history of success will demand with a rebuilding program, as I outlined in that old post in defense of Swarbrick. But the question is, did Shrewsberry have the resume to show that he was a "good coach" at the time he was given a 7-year contract. Or should the evaluation had been that he was a coach with a chance to be a good one and one who should have been given a "make good" 4-year contract. I really thought after the first season that Shrewsberry showed promise. While still lacking talent, the team played a hard, blue-collar style of defense. But since that first season, concern and doubts have been raised over the program due to portal use, roster makeup and coaching decisions. Shrewsberry took over a program that was at a low ebb, as was the program when Digger took over. Yet by year 3, Digger makes the tournament with a 26-3 record and an upset of #1 UCLA - and he had no NIL or transfer portal. Compare that to where the program is at at the end of Shrewsberry's 3rd season - another losing season with no tournament and being blown out by the #1 team. I don't remember ever being against the hiring of Shrewsberry when it took place. My only concern then was that 7-year contract, as I felt it would tie the hands of the Administration if Shrewsberry fell on his face. But memory can get hazy over the years, especially at my age, and based on the old post of mine that you posted, it appears that I did not express my concern on this board about the length of the contract at the time of the hire like I thought I did. But the fact remains that despite my defense of Swarbrick it certainly appears to have been a major mistake by Swarbrick.

WhiteB said:

Give him 1 more year, he will have all him players healthy(hopefully). But, I think he will have to, at least get into the NIT to survive another year.

No...in his 4th (next year), your expectations for him is that he will lead us to the NIT???!! And that will earn him a fifth year....No. It's over...in business, you hire slowly and fire quickly. Admit to a mistake and hire better next time.

Tyler James said:

Seemed like you understood it was the cost of doing business here.

This was the general consensus I remember

Will someone PLZ open a thread with a pic of Clownsberry in a walking boot after halftime so we can show some love to him with appropriate captions … ty !!! winner gets to be a “like and subscribe to b& g on a hoop podcast”?

Hopkins02 said:

I admit I was wrong, and I am shocked how bad he has been 3 years in. Yes Burton got hurt, but you need a backup plan… Find a poor man’s Matt Farrell to run the offense. Unacceptable in year 3

The thing is a healthy Burton might of changed ND’s record by maybe 5 or 6 games at best! 17- 11 type record best case scenario. The vibe of the program is just awful. I just don’t see any improvement in year three! They still lose games they should not lose, don’t execute when it matters, and just don’t seem well coached! If Shrews is fired, the roster will be gutted once again. Complete rebuild, but maybe it necessary to find the right coach!

Hopkins02 said:

I admit I was wrong, and I am shocked how bad he has been 3 years in. Yes Burton got hurt, but you need a backup plan… Find a poor man’s Matt Farrell to run the offense. Unacceptable in year 3

Someone like Dylan Darling at St John’s off the bench PG that’s dang good from Idaho. Schrews never had a plan. I don’t think it’s going to get better. Might as well fire him and start over.

It’s basketball, not football. Programs don’t need seven years to rebuild. Shrews is showing incompetency. Look at Louisville — three years ago, that program was in worse shape than Notre Dame. Over the past two seasons, the Cardinals have gone 27–8 in conference play. That’s what competent coaching and smart use of the transfer portal look like.

Bigjoe22 said:

General consensus on this board was that it was a great hire.

So they were wrong. It happens all the time.

Monty Williams is no longer coaching in the NBA ... worth a call unless there is something I don't know about him