2 more shootings today- at Acorn State and Jackson State.

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You value their lives, but not enough to help protect them from gun shootings.
Oh I do. I think we should publicly execute everyone convicted of murder within a reasonable amount of time.

you ignore the fact that the overwhelming amount of deaths by gun are from criminals or illegally owned guns.

where guns are legally owned crime is much lower.
 

mstateglfr

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Oh I do. I think we should publicly execute everyone convicted of murder within a reasonable amount of time.

you ignore the fact that the overwhelming amount of deaths by gun are from criminals or illegally owned guns.

where guns are legally owned crime is much lower.
I dont ignore that.
 
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I have no idea what their views on Larry Flint would be.
That is beside the point.

You agree that 1A has been touched. That was my point.
1A has been carved out in various ways to protect and not protect specific examples of speech. It has limitations.

2A has limitations as well. Limitations exist now. Additional limitations is hardly an extremist view…limitations already exist.
Per my first post. Yes. It’s been expanded. And continues to be expanded. Less barriers.

The 2nd is being contracted. More barriers. Can’t have this weapon here or there anymore.. need to wait for purchase this thing… prove you can own this or that… pay a tax to own this or that. More barriers.

The rest of the amendments are being passed expanded too. Fights to merely maintain voter rolls.. vote by mail.. children of nonresident aliens are considered citizens.. less barriers.

The only amendment with “shall not be infringed” is the one that is going the opposite way of the other amendments, ironically.
 

mstateglfr

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Per my first post. Yes. It’s been expanded. And continues to be expanded. Less barriers.

The 2nd is being contracted. More barriers. Can’t have this weapon here or there anymore.. need to wait for purchase this thing… prove you can own this or that… pay a tax to own this or that. More barriers.

The rest of the amendments are being passed expanded too. Fights to merely maintain voter rolls.. vote by mail.. children of nonresident aliens are considered citizens.. less barriers.

The only amendment with “shall not be infringed” is the one that is going the opposite way of the other amendments, ironically.
1A has been continually restricted through history. Courts have said many times that it doesn't apply in this instance or that instance.

As for 2A, it is a mess of a sentence and that mess of a sentence has been debated for decades. Trying to figure out how the commas apply has been debated for decades. Defining 'arms' has been debated for decades. What is a militia and is the right to bear only applicable to the militia has been debated for decades.

There are current restrictions on 2A that all but the most extreme among us supports. Nearly everyone supports restrictions to 2A.
There are restrictions to speech, restrictions to voting, restrictions to owning arms, etc etc etc.
My view is that further restrictions would help reduce gun violence. It is not an extreme position, if you look at polling and consider the reality that there are already restrictions.
 
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1A has been continually restricted through history. Courts have said many times that it doesn't apply in this instance or that instance.

As for 2A, it is a mess of a sentence and that mess of a sentence has been debated for decades. Trying to figure out how the commas apply has been debated for decades. Defining 'arms' has been debated for decades. What is a militia and is the right to bear only applicable to the militia has been debated for decades.

There are current restrictions on 2A that all but the most extreme among us supports. Nearly everyone supports restrictions to 2A.
There are restrictions to speech, restrictions to voting, restrictions to owning arms, etc etc etc.
My view is that further restrictions would help reduce gun violence. It is not an extreme position, if you look at polling and consider the reality that there are already restrictions.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, The RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED . Not messy at all, only a mess to forked tongued lawyers and communists .
 

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Correct, a ban on some guns would take place.
‘Arms’ are restricted right now, so restricting arms isnt some crazy concept.


Valuing life and trying to protect it through legislative action and criminal penalty is, to me, a very reasonable concept. And if you claim you are pro-life, then protecting innocent people from being shot seems like a very easy idea to support.


This dumb slippery slope argument just wont die because it is so simple to come up with in the moment.
No, cars wont be banned. They are not ‘arms’.
No, knives wont be mass banned because they are not ‘arms’ that need to be mass banned.

Once more- I am not suggesting all guns be banned. I clearly stated that. I said some guns should be restricted, just like ‘arms’ are already restricted.
And I clearly said it should be more difficult to own a gun. A higher standard is needed.

Additionally, enforced penalties for a gun being used in a crime are needed. Claiming a registered gun was stolen or lost and then used in crime?…if it wasnt reported, then tjat person is charged with involvement in the crime.


Mental illness can explain some shootings. It doesnt explain shootings that are in the heat of the moment or egged on by crowds.
You are masking compassion as blame and trying to claim this issue is because of the mentally ill. That is disgusting.
This issue is because mentally healthy people also misuse guns.
Wow, I don't know any "mentally healthy" people that are murderers. I think that is an assumption on your part.
 
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Legal and historical scholars? lol. They sit next to the table of the scholars that said the ice caps would be gone in 2025?

I dont give a rats arse about what some legal scholar thinks, its right there in black and white. It's just that simple.

Trying to parse out 2A has been debated for decades at all levels of court.
Conservative and Liberal groups have pushed for clarification countless times.

It is not cut and dried, despite what you claim.
 
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Wow, I don't know any "mentally healthy" people that are murderers. I think that is an assumption on your part.
People who have no established mental health issues shoot others in the heat of the moment all the time.

You can claim everyone who shoots someone has mental health issues, I guess. But that is getting really liberal in how that term is used.
 

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Selfish as a term can have a fine line between insult and simply identifying one's motives in a situation.

'me vs we' is simply selfish vs selfless, or one vs group.
Selfish can be an insult or it can be looking out for one's best interests over the interests of the group.
So you are anti abortion?
 
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Trying to parse out 2A has been debated for decades at all levels of court.
Conservative and Liberal groups have pushed for clarification countless times.

It is not cut and dried, despite what you claim.
This is accurate. Personally, I think that law abiding citizens should have the right carry a gun and to defend themselves - regardless of what the 2nd amendment says. In general, the conservative side seems to always point to "original intent" when interpreting the constitution. However, I think if you look at how English common law worked in the time frame leading up to our Revolution, I don't think you can claim "original intent" and argue that unrestrained gun ownership is what the Founders had in mind when they drafted the 2nd amendment. All of the references in the Federalist Papers in regards to guns and the 2nd Amendment focused on having a well trained and regulated State militia.
 
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People who have no established mental health issues shoot others in the heat of the moment all the time.

You can claim everyone who shoots someone has mental health issues, I guess. But that is getting really liberal in how that term is used.
Other than self defense, yes. Any person that takes an innocent life by definition has mental illness. Nobody in their right mind murders innocent people. Heat of the moment is temporary insanity and isn't always a defense.
 

Big Dawg81

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It's already illegal to shoot someone unless it's self defense. It's also illegal for criminals to have firearms. How about instead of telling me if I can or can't have what gun I want as a law abiding citizen, we start expediting trials for murderers and execute them the day after the trial 100% of the time so there is a massive deterrent to such crimes? That will reduce shootings.
Some people that aren’t criminals shouldn’t have a firearm. I was raised handling firearms and was taught at an early age how to safely handle a firearm. I also took the hunters education course. States need to require a 40 hour course on firearm safety before people can purchase a firearm and maybe even a mental evaluation. Not everyone needs a firearm.
 

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I am an American of Italian heritage. My father refused to watch any of the Godfather movies or any other movie that glamorized the mob guys. He grew up around them and he would say to me that these arse holes make him look bad in the eyes of others. So he always wanted us to distance ourselves from that group of Italians.

Unfortunately it seems many African Americans embrace the thug life that is in song, movies and video games. Years and years of being told you don't have a chance in this country and one path is this life described in these songs of your culture. Believing being disrespected is a valid excuse for beating or killing someone. Well the chickens are coming home to roost.
 

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Selfish can be an insult or it can be looking out for one's best interests over the interests of the group.
a.k.a., Enlightened self-interest…

I lean conservative in many ways but at the same time go in the other direction on occasion… most notably what the current administration has said about ASD which is wide-ranging and affects different people like Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and myself differently…

The administration… notably RFK Jr. are pushing for potential quick-fixes which in the case of ASD don’t really apply since it’s much more broadly based…

And I roll my eyes at folks who actually believe that because I know that largely they don’t have much experience interacting with folks on the Spectrum…

And I’m not just picking on the right here… Folks on the left think people just need to be nicer and let folks with ASD be who they want to be… which ain’t a great move all of the time because when those folks want to be nice they also do not want to provide feedback to folks on the Spectrum when specifically asked by them… I get headaches when dealing with such people… I’m just thinking: Please be direct… Don’t be nice and passive…

Folks on both sides are mostly generally uneducated and ignorant when it comes interacting with folks on the Spectrum…
 
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Other than self defense, yes. Any person that takes an innocent life by definition has mental illness. Nobody in their right mind murders innocent people. Heat of the moment is temporary insanity and isn't always a defense.
People killing others is fairly common throughout history. No mental illness required.
 

mstateglfr

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Other than self defense, yes. Any person that takes an innocent life by definition has mental illness. Nobody in their right mind murders innocent people. Heat of the moment is temporary insanity and isn't always a defense.
To recap...someone who shoots and kills an innocent person has mental illness, heat of the moment is temporary insanity, but that insanity isn't always a defense.


1- your post is gibberish.
2- your post is ignorant.
3- your post is incorrect.

Well, I guess you can feel proud that at least you swung 3 times and didn't watch a called strike go past you.
 
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Yes, it's between the NRA and the American citizens.
I'm no fan of the NRA and I support some gun control measures. Some people shouldn't have guns. Even Lynyrd Skynyrd knew this. Hell some Americans can't even handle a buffet restaurant. Not sure "I shot those people because of the NRA" is a valid defense. I do agree that easy access to guns leads to more deaths although most of these types of crimes involve thugs with illegal guns.
 

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I’m as right as one can be. I agree that the death penalty needs to be used and used often. When there is NO doubt of guilt. However, I also think we are creating some of these monsters by incarcerating them for years for having some weed. It’s just stupid and exasperates the problem
We're not incarcerating anyone for having weed. That's one of the great myths about our prison system. The overwhelming majority of people in prison are violent criminals with multiple violent felonies.
 
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BTW, America also likely has the most murderous white people in the western world. We'd have a lot fewer murders if more Americans behaved like Asian Americans.
 

MagnoliaHunter

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To recap...someone who shoots and kills an innocent person has mental illness, heat of the moment is temporary insanity, but that insanity isn't always a defense.


1- your post is gibberish.
2- your post is ignorant.
3- your post is incorrect.

Well, I guess you can feel proud that at least you swung 3 times and didn't watch a called strike go past you.
 
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you wrote: "incarcerating them for years for having some weed." That's not remotely true and when you investigate "drug offenses" you find dealing and other charges including violent felonies. You don't know anything about crime stats and you actually think you're making a valid point.
 
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you wrote: "incarcerating them for years for having some weed." That's not remotely true and when you investigate "drug offenses" you find dealing and other charges including violent felonies. You don't know anything about crime stats and you actually think you're making a valid point.
I know how to look them up. A 20 year old kid selling/caught with a couple pound of weed can get 3-8 years in prison. Not jail. Prison! But I’m sure he will come out a better man for it
 

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, The RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED . Not messy at all, only a mess to forked tongued lawyers and communists .
Everywhere else in the Constitution where it references the people it always means your average citizen. I doubt it meant anything differently here.
 
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I know how to look them up. A 20 year old kid selling/caught with a couple pound of weed can get 3-8 years in prison. Not jail. Prison! But I’m sure he will come out a better man for it
As opposed to casually smoking weed, which will definitely make him a better man. Weed culture is cringe as the kids say. Normalizing weed and gambling is going to have a net negative effect on society.
 
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As opposed to casually smoking weed, which will definitely make him a better man. Weed culture is cringe as the kids say. Normalizing weed and gambling is going to have a net negative effect on society.
Did I wake up in the 1930s?


What is cringe is you saying "...is cringe as the kids say".
 
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We already incarcerate more people than any other first world nation.
That's in part because we are one of the least homogenous countries in the world. That leads to at least some infighting, and that's just between Americans. When you factor in an open invitation and influx of multiple races, languages, religions, etc. for decades, and then you stop asking those people to assimilate because that would not be politically correct... and on top of all that you de-emphasize jail time in favor of social programs thereby letting criminals roam free, you end up with what we have here.

Some might say diversity is not our strength.
 
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