If you are advocating for further restrictions then you are suggesting for more than what currently exists.
2 more shootings today- at Acorn State and Jackson State.
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You know… I always find it interesting that it’s only the second amendment that can be picked apart. “Weeellll it means this so we can outlaw that.” “We only had muskets at the time the second was written”
But then we can’t touch any other amendment. We actually expand those. Only the second contracts. Voting? Gotta do it a thousand different ways. “They way they did it when the constitution was written” somehow doesn’t apply there. “The forefathers didn’t intend for you to have this weapon”. Well…. Did they intend for anyone to vote by mail? For it to be a fight for the voter rolls to be maintained? Birthright citizenship? We can’t touch the interpretation of that one either unless it’s an expansion of the intent. Somehow hanging is cruel and unusual punishment now even though that was the practice when the constitution was written.
just a very interesting observation.
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I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. I’m pretty convinced it’s true.
Wrong. When you penalize violent criminals with the death penalty you declare that life is precious and anyone who takes it forfeits theirs. It’s is extremely pro life to support capital punishment.
You seriously think 1A isnt picked apart or touched?
Come on.
What crime did the unborn child commit?
“This beating hurts me more than it hurts you!” type of logic.
What crime did the innocent who were shot commit? None.
If you are pro-life, then you support life. That is whole support.
Mstateglfr, you also typed this:
Valuing life and trying to protect it through legislative action and criminal penalty is, to me, a very reasonable concept. And if you claim you are pro-life, then protecting innocent people from being shot seems like a very easy idea to support.
So I am selfish for abiding by the laws that are currently on the books, being responsible, and wise in how I handle and use and store and carry firearms..........and I am selfish.
Why is it not selfish to have people in our society who choose to not abide by the most minimal rules of civility, or, heaven forbid, abide by the laws of our country (which for me, abiding by the laws of our country is easy b/c I abide by my faith first)?
I understand your thinking, but calling me, and those like me selfish is just plain ignorant b/c you are saying then that we "legislate" into submission those that are openly choosing not to respect our laws, their neighbor, or humanity for that matter.
Selfish is not respecting someone's opinion, or like, or affiliation, and choosing to solve the problem by shooting them. That my friend is selfish......
.....this problem is only resolved through accountability, respect of others, respect of life, and becoming a decent human being
The weakest attempt of creating an analogy that I've ever seen.
Selfish as a term can have a fine line between insult and simply identifying one's motives in a situation.
'me vs we' is simply selfish vs selfless, or one vs group.
Selfish can be an insult or it can be looking out for one's best interests over the interests of the group.
It wasn't an analogy, it's what popped into my head and made me laugh when I read the post.
It is inconsistent to claim life is precious and life is sacred, then take life. It does not matter in what context thst life is taken, it is inconsistent.
You can either look like a fool for arguing the inconsistency or you can admit it is impossible to be consistent and support killing while being pro-life.
There are many things in life where humans hold inconsistent views.
Showing people that you are going to end their life if they do something reprehensible lowers the rate that other people will do such things. The harsher the punishment for things the fewer times they happen, in general. So no, it would be a net positive in the lives lost department if you executed all people convicted of a crime like murder, which would mean you are in the pro life crowd. And to be clear, I do value life very much, but certain crimes are so bad that I no longer value that person’s life more than I value the outcome of showing others what happens if you do something this terrible.
this is not "me vs we"......this is you actually prove my point in your argument making me out to be the selfish one........
Selfish would be more correctly applied when one is found to have taken another's life b/c they disagreed, they had a fantasy they wanted to live out, or they found a group of people they disagreed with and chose to cause them harm. That is a level of selfishness that clearly defines ones motives in how they can participate in society
Selfless, is realizing that we can disagree and have viewpoints that are not the same, and choose to disagree and realize that they are my fellow man, or "my neighbor," or that taking a life b/c I can not control my emotions is wrong. At the end of the day, it is about respecting others and the law and that is a choice we make and we have to bring that basic fundamental back
I hear you, but, you prove my point very well
Only one person looks foolish in this argument. You should read more books.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just say you're anti-death penalty regardless of the crime .
Roughly 4% of the US population is Black Males age 18-40 yet they commit 40-50% of US Murders depending on who’s statistics you are looking at.
White America had to realize that racism, segregation and white supremacy are morally wrong. It took a while for that to happen, and while racism exists, it's much less than ever in American history. Black Lives Matter, before it became a corrupt movement of grifters that's really done little for black people, wanted others to realize that black lives should matter because the lives of black Americans have been undervalued in American history.
But now there are problems within the black community that black leaders need to be honest about: terrible academic achievement, an incredibly violent underclass that terrorizes communities and an out-of wedlock birthrate of around 70%. That bottom quintile makes life worse for law-abiding citizens. We spend more on housing because we want to live in safe areas, we avoid certain areas and we often pay for private schools for our kids because public schools have disruptive, violent kids who screw up the learning environment. White America isn't going to fix this and white America isn't the cause of it. Tens of millions of non-white immigrants come to this country and become successful. There's no structural racism causing it and most white people want all citizens to be successful and law-abiding.
But now there are problems within the black community that black leaders need to be honest about: terrible academic achievement, an incredibly violent underclass that terrorizes communities and an out-of wedlock birthrate of around 70%. That bottom quintile makes life worse for law-abiding citizens. We spend more on housing because we want to live in safe areas, we avoid certain areas and we often pay for private schools for our kids because public schools have disruptive, violent kids who screw up the learning environment. White America isn't going to fix this and white America isn't the cause of it. Tens of millions of non-white immigrants come to this country and become successful. There's no structural racism causing it and most white people want all citizens to be successful and law-abiding.
Mississippi has the highest black population of any State in the nation. Something like 39%. I wonder what the black male percentage is with also compared to our murder rate?
As we have discussed, it hasn’t always been this way. In the 60s, 25 % of black families were single parent homes. Now there are 75 % with single parent homes. The government did this on purpose. They preyed on a group of people that had been targeted by racism and hate for 100 years and were generally less educated (on purpose) and convinced them that the family unit was not important. All for votes. And here we are. Obviously there were things in the 60s that are not acceptable and I’m not advocating for anything except making the family unit being the most important thing. Everything you look at on social media is rage baiting both genders to hate each other. It’s intentional.
You can’t help someone who doesn’t want to help themselves.
More of a commentary on how the problem wasn't the sticks yet they were banned. The culture at Ole Miss has changed to be less accepting of confederate imagery thats why you dont see it any more. Our problem isnt guns its crime. Taking away the guns will just change the means people use to commit violence.
Just bc the USA is safer than most countries doesn’t mean some cities have crime problems.If it was, would we need to direct our military to go in and take action against our own citizens?
Checkmate, bitсh. I’m out.
I realize you aren’t smart enough to understand nuance @ckDOG
Bc we know your side isn’t serious about the fatherless homes and government spending
I don’t value the life of murderers and life long criminals.
I do value the life of innocent people.
Yea. Expanded. Remember the first amendment battles over pornography by Larry flint and explicit song lyrics by Two live crew? Suits to have satanic displays?
Would the forefathers have been in favor of that?
I mean I think you are proving my point for me
the USA is extremely safe unless you go where $h1tty people are
notice I didn’t say where guns are bc some of the safest places in this country have the most LEGAL guns anywhere in the world
Depends, do you just care about results or all touchy feely ****. I don't think that Ole Miss fans are all less racist, I think they don't have the ability to show it publicly.
Mississippi leads the nation in its homicide rate, with a rate of 20.5 per 100,000. Mississippi also leads the nation with the highest black population of 39%.
I don't speak for a side.
I don't represent a side.
As for the platforms and policies of the Democrat and Republican parties…
- I dont think either party is serious about solving fatherless homes. I dont think either party is focused on that issue at all.
- I dobt think either party is serious about significantly reducing government spending. The Right screams about examples of wasteful spending that are effectively pennies to a millionaire, meaning the costs dont change anything. Meanwhile, billions may be paid from a Republican president to largely Republican farmers because the Republican president has 17ed a farm commodity market up so much, the Republican farmers are scared they are gonna go broke. And meanwhile, hundreds of millions will be spent to send NG troops to random cities without cause or justification.
Neither party is interested in eliminating single family homes(how would that even happen?). Neither party is interested in significantly reducing the national debt or spending.
You value their lives, but not enough to help protect them from gun shootings.
I have no idea what their views on Larry Flint would be.
That is beside the point.
You agree that 1A has been touched. That was my point.
1A has been carved out in various ways to protect and not protect specific examples of speech. It has limitations.
2A has limitations as well. Limitations exist now. Additional limitations is hardly an extremist view…limitations already exist.
Lets just speak truth. No dad. Momma clubbin. Granny clueless. Pastor/church-little to no spiritual truth and accountability. White libs covering for this unacceptable behavior
As someone who is not disagreeing with some of your points and interested in a real conversation and not just hurling insults, what do you think the answer is to this? I understand that laws were put in place when this country was formed to protect citizens from the government (being able to carry firearms). At this point, the technology that the government has and the military could demolish any form of resistance no matter what a group of citizens have stockpiled in their homes. I’m also terrified by the thought of either political party having that much power because they are all full of sh*t. I think we both agree on that. So do we just say screw it and bend the knee to the government who literally no one trusts? We have a homicide rate at 5 times the rate of other first world countries. That is largely because of stupid people who haven’t had 2 parent homes and been raised poorly. Can we fix that problem and then the homicide rate go down to normal levels without making major 2A adjustments? Idk the answer. I’m a pro gun person, but I also see the issue with the current culture of terrible upbringings having access to them. Laws in place to prevent them from getting them aren’t working. Tried that. Failed. Should good people be punished and unable to defend themselves from Neanderthals that are going to find a way to hurt you no matter what laws are in place? It’s not an easy answer and why so many are so passionate.
I don’t disagree with this. We all know the reason for this. The question is how do you stop it? A lot of other people have stopped it, but they don’t have our demographics and amount of people that aren’t educated and low iq, if we are being honest. How do you raise the education level / poverty level without the government coming in and taking care of them just to keep their votes. People would probably need to make some very unpopular policy decisions that would get them out of public office because all anyone in Washington cares about is getting reelected. I don’t know how you force people to not want to continually procreate with dead beats except to stop financially subsidizing it and encouraging it, along with making an example by a swift public death penalty for people who do horrendous crimes.
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