SVN has more training partners and resources than anyone not at PSU. He didnt execute. That's not on Cael. If SVN never wins a NC in a Nitty Kitty singlet, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
Wrestling 2026 Rutgers NCAA Tournament Thread
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Word for exact word, I almost posted that last night.
During the NC broadcast they said Lucas Byrd was a senior in high school when Jax Forrest was in 5th grade. Bastida is 26 years old. NCAA is a free for all. I’m surprised nobody has challenged the rule that a school can only qualify one wrestler at each weight. Every other rule related to transfers and eligibility has been tossed out. Not sure what’s worse PSU v PSU in every final match or 26 year olds being allowed to contend for college NCs.
This is misleading by design since the author does not explain how the numbers were calculated. One component of our $3M spend that is not obvious is the depreciation of the $86.7M APC that opened in Sep-2019. If the other listed institutions have older/less expensive or fully depreciated facilities, their overhead will be substantially less.
Another ignored but significant piece of data in this “spending” list is donations. The other listed institutions run circles around Rutgers in terms of donations and can therefore lure big name coaches, top 10 recruits, high caliber resident athletes, etc. and that money not count against their “spending.”
The lack of donations is directly correlated to lack of confidence in the direction of the program. IMO
not for nothing but Jax Forrest is going to be a 24/25 year old senior one day especially if he takes an Olympic redshirt in 28
Bastida and Echemendia are both 27 (according to their Cuban birth certificates) however reliable they are. And Echemendia has another year ! Getting the year he lost for beating his wife back
Bryd is 26
Brock Hardy is 26
AJ Ferrari will be 25 this summer and is back another year
Amos turns 25 in may and will be back
Anthony Knox will be a 20 yr old true freshman next year
Meanwhile Levi Haines just wrapped up his college career and is only 21 and doesn’t turn 22 until the end of the summer
Serious question:
has there ever been a program to send 9 guys to the NCAA’s and come up with fewer points (7) than we did this past weekend?
thx
has there ever been a program to send 9 guys to the NCAA’s and come up with fewer points (7) than we did this past weekend?
thx
I looked up this guys criteria for his list. In post #856 I show what he compiled. I still don't get how he came up with numbers for some of these criteria, educated guess I would have to say. It has nothing to do with NIL and good news, we didn't break the bank to get Knox.
I think it will have the opposite effect. Holdbacks and greyshirts will become more common. Parents will want to maximize the dollars their kids get right off the bat when entering college. As it's a finite time frame to earn. So, you want a high dollar figure coming in, then you can play the mercenary game of highest bidder for the next 5 to 6 years.
I love Shayne. Great young man. He beat Valencia 10-4 in November. I feel he was too confident in his funk and athletic ability in scrambles and that is what beat him. If those two wrestled 10 times, I bet SVN wins at least 8
All AMerican FOrd/Subaru needs a new RU Athlete.......GET IT DONE
I respectfully disagree with you on this. Valencia is only 18 and will only get better and stronger. Doesn’t SVN have like 5 years on him? We will see. Maybe SVN was a little banged up up at Big 10’s and Nationals.
Totally agree - Valencia was the most exciting wrestler of the finals even more so than Jax. SVN looked stiff. Valencia was after it entire match and showed no fear of a guy that was ranked #1. Also impressed with Robideau.
Presently many kids are reclassing just to level the playing field with the other kids who are doing it.
Absolutely agree.When I wrestled for Oliver, we had spit, and I was ok with that.There where no presumptions.Go out and fuc※king wrestle your a$$ off.Thats it.No real brain surgery to it.If half the parenta showed up, 12 students and on a good week, the AD, that was considered a huge win.
Thats ridiculous...for some high school dickweed, who is unproven, has a shiт attitude, and is a terrible student. So stupid what athletics have become.And yet, havent we learned from Iowa and ourselves what shelling out for highest bidder athletes has shown us
I actually think valencia was a horse and took it to SVN and got him out of his groove.He looked way more dominant physically.
Sad, isnt.Yet, Tony Robbins Goodale will remain at the helm with his uncanny abilties to put out serious fires with the Athetic Department.I mean, Zinn cant possibly buy into that bullshiт.
I agree he’s unproven and a so so student but I think he has a pretty good attitude towards wrestling and so does Burroughs who just a few weeks ago was going on about how coachable knox is and his mindset towards being the best.
1.2 over 4 years is way less then some of his peers who he’s beaten before I don’t agree with it but it’s the way of the world and this kid is going to be the first real face of the program since Ash and carry us points wise in the postseason so I think it’ll be money well spent. We ve needed a star like him since Ash left.
If u don’t like those results then pony up sissy!! We aren’t PSU u want those results then pony up!! Just accept that, when it matters, RU is behind Princeton/Rider in NJ and we are same lvl w George Mason, sissy boiii!!!
Zinn has much bigger fish to fry before she turns her gaze to Goodale. She's already stated her goal is to provide current coaches with more resources and see how they fare. She will not intervene in a coach's decisions, so we'll have to see what he does.
She'll provide Goodale with a larger pool for assistants, but it's up to him to make the changes. She will be providing wrestling with more NIL as the last guy did absolute d*ck besides sticking it into the gymnastics coach. Again, it's up to the coach to use it how he sees fit.
They did not blow the whole load on Knox, they have more money this year to get a couple of seasoned transfers. If we see next year, the same coaching staff trot out or no new coaching additions that's completely on Goodale. Now they may not have enough money for surefire AA transfers, but they do have a lot more than what they had last year for transfers/retention. So, he has a larger pool of transfers to pick from, again, how he chooses to spend the money will be on him. I will not go into the debacle the SKWC funding has become and that one is completely on Goodale. It wasn't to long ago we were funding 3 to 4 world class athletes.
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I am not a child.....First show me the candy, then i get in back of the truck.If u don’t like those results then pony up sissy!! We aren’t PSU u want those results then pony up!! Just accept that, when it matters, RU is behind Princeton/Rider in NJ and we are same lvl w George Mason, sissy boiii!!!
Kelly better be able to manage multiple issues; it's her job. The rest of your scenario will just prolong the pain.
Exactly. How many more resources do we need..? We are already sixth in the country with allotted money for our wrestling program. Finances and facilities are not the problem. The general landscape of coaching is the problem. When david taylor and cael sanderson talk , do you feel the same respect as when goody says something ? There's a clear understanding who you're dealing with when those two talk. I feel like when Goody talks he's saying things and is being inspitational to deflect from the obvious failures of the program.
For real I just read 3 post ncaa articles talking up hangney and rider bc they have 0 NIL , lost their best wrestlers to the portal , had to raise the $$ themselves to upgrade their wrestling room from high school cafeteria level to high school wrestling room level andddd they still had more AAs and more points then us for a second straight year , heck if their guys didn’t leave for the portal they would’ve finished 17th ahead of Cornell and double our point total but sure resources are the issue smh
Air Force and navy producing AAs every year with no NIL, West Virginia literally has the money they raise taken from them for other sports and have an AA every year and an ncaa semi finalist for 3 straight years.
So whats the problem then? I think we can all answer that. And to that point with rider , Hangey is a great guy. He is not pretentious or postures up. He also doesn't sugar coat things like Goodale does. I met him a couple of times through my buddy ,Dan Mayo. Solid dude. Did not like jason nace though. Guy was a little mouthy douche.That's the difference between a season coach and a business man. If Rider was a strong academic institution, Rutgers would loose the bidding war with them...hands down. Until changes are made, we are gonna have this conversation for the next couple years. If coaching resume and prowess did not matter just go look at what donnie did in just two years. We all know who the real deal was during our suriano and ashnault era.
Mayo wrestled for Penn State right ? A NY guy?
im a big fan of Hagneys. I met him down in Virginia Beach at NHSCA my senior yr and talked to him for a solid 30 minutes, I was planning on going D3 and convinced I could never wrestle D1 but he kept floating the idea I should walk on at rider, I didn’t but I always thought it was pretty cool that he thought I could hack it ( I was way too immature I wouldn’t have hacked it lol).
I really like Goodale and always have which is why it’s annoying when I get attacked when I say it’s time to move on but when you look at the just numbers and data it’s pretty obvious what needs to happen. 18 of the 19 AAs under Goodale are from when Donnie was on staff, that’s insane and that 1 was shawver miracle run and he had Donnie as a coach for atleast 3 years before he AAed.
Rider and all these small schools outscoring us with no resources. 0-5 in the R12 the past 2 years, the R12 is FILLED with upsets every year and we couldn’t get one?
9 NJ AAs again this year and none from the actual state school of NJ.
2021 ncaas we get 3 AAs , the last ncaa tournament before that we had 2 champs and at the same time Stanford is about to get their program dropped and fast forward 5 years and that dying program , whose coached by a NJ guy less credentialed then Goodale finished 6th at ncaas with a champ and 4 AAs despite losing 2 of their better guys to inj late in the year and we finish with 7 points no AAs for 2nd straight year and 3 of 4 and tied with Gardner Webb. The writing is on the wall
I'm indifferent to goodale. I don't see whatever everyone else sees. Maybe because i've been around the college game and wrestled for rutgers. I don't believe all the inspirational and rah rah speeches. When you see a david taylor or cael talk , there isn't this worry or necessity of getting better. There is a calm sense about them and a clear understanding from the wrestlers, parents and staff that when you come here, you're gonna be great and there's no room for second place. We get speeches like we gotta do this better.We gotta do that better.We gotta do this better.We gotta do that better. I'm tired of hearing it. I don't like the pandering. Everybody knows the solution, but who's gonna pull the plug on it?That's the big question. Yes, Dan is from new york. I believe long island. He's a great guy and loves to party. I haven't seen or spoken to him in a while. I visited him when he was coaching at Rider.Hangey was wrestling there at the time. Fast forward some 20 some odd years later.We reconnected when he was a coach. He's a good dude. I think given their resources and what they have accomplished in the last couple years, outshines Rutgers, ten fold.
Thanks! I was feeling pretty good today until I read your last two posts. Now it's just another "Manic Monday".