Not for nitwit, he'll prey on Pike to make himself right cuz he thinks he's smarter than most (Which has been proven not to be the case over and over)...Of course, when we are winning he goes away...
Imo, Caleb is not a poor shooter just a very tired one. Not sure how you could dispute the fact that playing defense the way he plays does not affect his offense. Tom Young used to tell John Battle to rest on defense. Thatās a fact
If Caleb's poor shooting is due to tired legs, wouldn't he be a good shooter in the beginning of games and get worse as the game goes on?
It's not just that he's a poor shooter. He makes bad reads and decisions on offense.
For example, on a catch instead of reversing the ball, or even looking to reverse the ball, Caleb will look back to where it came from or he'll dribble. Compare to how many times Cam catches and makes a quick pass.
Another thing he does that drives me crazy, is he'll get the ball in a situation where they might have an advantage if they push the ball up the court, he could pass it up, he could run with it, but instead he walks it up the court.
Also if you watch him away from the ball, his movement does not help teammates. I've seen where Cam makes a post pass to Cliff and moves to spot up and Caleb pretty much cuts him off.
Relax Max, kyk is 1000 times the man you will ever be. He also understands basketball and you do not.
Ru was a couple points away from the sweet sisteen with the 181 ranked offense. So what does that tell us?
That was actually the #82 ranked offense.
This debate and the OPs posts on it continue to be extremely stupid. There is a reason Kenpom's rankings are adjusted NET EFFICIENCY MARGIN.
In case @kyk1827 doesn't know what adjusted NET EFFICIENCY MARGIN is, it is
Adjusted Offensive Efficiency - Adjusted Defensive Efficiency
A careful mathematician might notice that an improvement in your offensive efficiency has exactly the same effect on this formula as an improvement in your defensive efficiency.
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Tells us if we were better on offense we wouldve been in the sweet 16. We scored 2 points in the final 5 minutes and blew a 9 point lead with under 5 to play
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No ones saying defense is unimportant. This is as simple as we should be much better on offense and making an effort to put our players in position to succeed/score. Its not controversial. Its factual.
This is basically just "I wish we were better".
Coming off #279 with the program in shambles, do you think that OVERALL kenpom rankings of:
135
130
78
28
38
77
42
are unacceptable? Do you think that's underachieving with the level of player he recruited? Would you not expect these numbers to improve further with the improved recruiting moving forward, even if the coaching is exactly the same?
The overall number is all that matters. Focusing in on the offense ranking or 3p% (lol) is meaningless.
Being #174/#4 on offense defense is basically as good as #28/#69 or #104/#18 (those are the teams right above/below us overall).
Oops, well that begs the question, was pike a good offensive coach last year and a bad one this year or did something else change?
And if we werenāt as good on defense, we would have allowed more than 63 points and it wouldnāt have been a close game.
Iām convinced some of you people are happier or think we are a better team if we lose 85-80 vs. losing 65-60.
Not exactly sure why in other threads you are fine with claiming we arenāt talented but then in a thread such as this you expect Pikiell to work magic and make guys that arenāt that talented offensively magically become talented.
Canāt have it both ways man.
Itās simple - Pikiell has been playing to his teams strengths. As we bring in more talent we can all expect our offensive ability and efficiency to increase. Until we bring in more offensive talent you should stop with this stupid thread you start every other month about Pikiellās offense.
Hereās my simple take. And Iāve watched almost every game.
We simply canāt make simple shots. How many missed layups have lost games?
How many times do we miss from the rim, to about 15ft out while the other teams makes those same shots every other possession.
Itās not that players arenāt open, or coach hasnāt drawn up a nice play. We simply donāt make the shots that top teams make.
As others have saidā¦. Recruiting is
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Now if the 23&24 classes donāt change that, then we can question offense.
Until thenā¦ someone has to make some midrange shots.
We simply canāt make simple shots. How many missed layups have lost games?
How many times do we miss from the rim, to about 15ft out while the other teams makes those same shots every other possession.
Itās not that players arenāt open, or coach hasnāt drawn up a nice play. We simply donāt make the shots that top teams make.
As others have saidā¦. Recruiting is
. Now if the 23&24 classes donāt change that, then we can question offense.
Until thenā¦ someone has to make some midrange shots.
Not to keep this idiotic thread alive I apologize in advance. The last four years our free throw percentage ranks are ~230/230/330/330. The premise that our fg percentage is bad bc we arenāt put in position to make shots doesnāt really flow. In fact the data would suggest most years the fg percentage is better than it should be. We donāt have great shooters. This is obvious. This year we also donāt have guys that can consistently beat you off the dribble. Guess what - when you have guys that can drive if they share the ball - your fg percentage will go up. This resurrection Is build on defense rebounding and unselfishness. Itās how heās recruited Itās hard to find guys that are elite offensive players that buy in and want to come to rutgers and to wait. Now that thereās been success after 40 years of dogshit that is starting to change. And guess what. The percentages will magically improve. In the meantime instead of trolling stupid nonsense if you a real fan stfu and support the program.
And the weirdest thing about you is you call yourself a fan but you love to crap on Pike and our hoops program. You really have some issues, bro.
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You can be a fan and also point out the issues of the program. Weirdest thing about people like you is that criticism is not allowed.
Answer this one. In your opinion when is it okay to criticize?
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Getting better offensively seems like low-hanging fruit because we are so bad offensively and it doesn't seem like we're even trying when we endlessly run highball screens, don't get much out of them, and keep running them.
Maintaining or improving on elite defense seems incredibly difficult and leaves little margin for error. That seems to be our goal.
However, I trust Pikiell knows what he's doing. It seems simple to me that they should run more zoom like they did against Purdue, but I'm not with the team every day in practice, maybe they run that in practice and for whatever reason (Paul is a little slower with injury? Cliff isn't moving as well?) it just doesn't click like it did against Purdue. It's fun to write about and discuss, but I'll readily admit I have about 1% of the information that the guy making the decisions does.
Maintaining or improving on elite defense seems incredibly difficult and leaves little margin for error. That seems to be our goal.
However, I trust Pikiell knows what he's doing. It seems simple to me that they should run more zoom like they did against Purdue, but I'm not with the team every day in practice, maybe they run that in practice and for whatever reason (Paul is a little slower with injury? Cliff isn't moving as well?) it just doesn't click like it did against Purdue. It's fun to write about and discuss, but I'll readily admit I have about 1% of the information that the guy making the decisions does.
I agree with this. Having never played the game other than some playground pickup, I don't pretend to have the intimate game knowledge some of you guys do. But I do watch and observe, and it seems to me our guys do manage to get plenty of decent looks but don't convert like the better teams do. That plus our low FT% tells me we just don't have the shooters. I find it hard to believe coach Pikiell, a guy who played the game on a top D1 team, got Stony Brook (I mean c'mon, friggin Stony Brook!!) to the big dance, and got us in the last 3 years (I'm counting COVID year), doesn't know how to run an offense. With recruiting trending up, I look forward to seeing what he does with more offensive talent.
I agree, it often seems like other teams just have guys who make more shots than we do.
Blame the half-court sets all you want, but most points aren't scored off a set offense
You're complaining about the offense but I think scoring margin is more important than one side of the ball. When was the last time Rutgers finished above 0.500 in any conference before Pikiell? 1990-91 in the A-10 (14-4), only Bannon finished 9-9, 1 time, and Waters finished 8-8, 1 time.
Pikiell has finished at or above 0.500, 4 straight years(11-9, 10-10, 12-8, 10-10) and if Mag doesn't get injured in an unfamiliar NBA arena with what was a slippery court comparable to the Super Bowl this year when they painted the field late or in 20-21, we have early season chemistry meltdowns, @ Ohio St and home loss to Iowa starting a 5 game losing streak, it's 4 out of 4 over 0.500.
In B1G conference games only, season vs D1s only
2014-15 58.0 / 70.2 (-12.2), 316th -7.9
2015-16 65.9 / **86.1** (-20.2), 344th -13.5
2016-17 60.1 / 70.7 (-10.6), 223rd -2.3
2017-18 57.9 / 69.8 (-11.9), 205th -1.3
2018-19 67.3 / 72.8 (-5.5), 190th -0.9
2019-20 67.6 / 65.6 (+2.0), 57th +6.0
2020-21 68.0 / 68.6 (-0.6), 127th +1.8 (4 OOC)
2021-22 66.8 / 66.3 (+0.5), 142nd +2.0
2022-23 64.6 / 63.9 (+0.7), 38th +7.8
When was the last time we outscored our conference opponents in conference games only?
Full season Scoring Margin, no non D1 fluff opponents, hard to find conference stats without having to do the math for 16,18,20 games but the way each season ended under 0.500 they were probably outscored in most conference slates, maybe 98-99 BE.
13-14 (11-21, 5-13) 284th -6.1
12-13 (15-16, 5-13) 184th -0.8
11-12 (14-17, 6-12) 174th -0.3
10-11 (15-17, 5-13) 152nd +0.7
09-10 (15-17, 5-13) 250th -4.6
08-09 (11-21, 2-16) 242nd -3.4
07-08 (11-20, 3-15) 275th -6.3
06-07 (10-19, 3-13) 291st -8.1
05-06 (19-14, 7-9) 105th +2.8 w/ Douby(jr)
04-05 (10-19, 2-14) 265th -5.4 w/ Douby(so)
03-04 (20-13, 7-9) 122nd +1.7 w/Douby(fr)
02-03 (12-16, 4-12) 209th -2.1
01-02 (18-13, 8-8) 127th +1.6
00-01 (11-16, 3-13) 172nd -0.5
99-00 (15-16, 6-10) 117th +2.2
98-99 (19-13, 9-9) 70th +5.0 (missed NCAA by a hair)
97-98 (14-15, 6-12) 107th +2.2
In 19 seasons prior to Pikiell, we outscored our opponents 7 times with 4 winning seasons. In 7 seasons with Pikiell, Rutgers has outscored their opponents 4 times with 4 winning seasons. The difference we made the tourny 3 times(Covid year counts,
) and possibly a 4th after the BTT.
Pikiell has finished at or above 0.500, 4 straight years(11-9, 10-10, 12-8, 10-10) and if Mag doesn't get injured in an unfamiliar NBA arena with what was a slippery court comparable to the Super Bowl this year when they painted the field late or in 20-21, we have early season chemistry meltdowns, @ Ohio St and home loss to Iowa starting a 5 game losing streak, it's 4 out of 4 over 0.500.
In B1G conference games only, season vs D1s only
2014-15 58.0 / 70.2 (-12.2), 316th -7.9
2015-16 65.9 / **86.1** (-20.2), 344th -13.5
2016-17 60.1 / 70.7 (-10.6), 223rd -2.3
2017-18 57.9 / 69.8 (-11.9), 205th -1.3
2018-19 67.3 / 72.8 (-5.5), 190th -0.9
2019-20 67.6 / 65.6 (+2.0), 57th +6.0
2020-21 68.0 / 68.6 (-0.6), 127th +1.8 (4 OOC)
2021-22 66.8 / 66.3 (+0.5), 142nd +2.0
2022-23 64.6 / 63.9 (+0.7), 38th +7.8
When was the last time we outscored our conference opponents in conference games only?
Full season Scoring Margin, no non D1 fluff opponents, hard to find conference stats without having to do the math for 16,18,20 games but the way each season ended under 0.500 they were probably outscored in most conference slates, maybe 98-99 BE.
13-14 (11-21, 5-13) 284th -6.1
12-13 (15-16, 5-13) 184th -0.8
11-12 (14-17, 6-12) 174th -0.3
10-11 (15-17, 5-13) 152nd +0.7
09-10 (15-17, 5-13) 250th -4.6
08-09 (11-21, 2-16) 242nd -3.4
07-08 (11-20, 3-15) 275th -6.3
06-07 (10-19, 3-13) 291st -8.1
05-06 (19-14, 7-9) 105th +2.8 w/ Douby(jr)
04-05 (10-19, 2-14) 265th -5.4 w/ Douby(so)
03-04 (20-13, 7-9) 122nd +1.7 w/Douby(fr)
02-03 (12-16, 4-12) 209th -2.1
01-02 (18-13, 8-8) 127th +1.6
00-01 (11-16, 3-13) 172nd -0.5
99-00 (15-16, 6-10) 117th +2.2
98-99 (19-13, 9-9) 70th +5.0 (missed NCAA by a hair)
97-98 (14-15, 6-12) 107th +2.2
In 19 seasons prior to Pikiell, we outscored our opponents 7 times with 4 winning seasons. In 7 seasons with Pikiell, Rutgers has outscored their opponents 4 times with 4 winning seasons. The difference we made the tourny 3 times(Covid year counts,
) and possibly a 4th after the BTT.