As I see it week 16

[Halldan]

1 UConn 27-3 17-2
The whistle helped

2 St John's 23-6 16-2
Nice bounce back

3 Villanova 22-7 13-5
Willard had his chance

4 Seton Hall 19-10 9-9
Close but no cigar

5 Providence 14-15 7-11
3 w's in a row

6 DePaul 16-13 8-10
Movin on up - Won 4 of 5

7 Creighton 14-16 8-11
Lost 5-6

8 Butler 15-14 6-12
Best of rest

9 Xavier 14-15 6-12
Tough season

10 Georgetown 13-16 5-13
Speaking of tough seasons

11 Marquette 10-19 5-13
Not lookin too Smart

 

[SPK145]

1 - UCONN
2 - St. John's

3 - Villanova

The rest are crap.
4 - DePaul
5 - Seton Hall
6 - Providence
7 - Creighton
8 - Xavier
9 - Butler
10 - Georgetown
11 - Marquette

 

[dehere23]

1. UCONN
(gap)

2. SJU
(much bigger gap)


3. Nova

(bigger gap)

Depaul
Hall
Providence
Creighton
Butler
Xavier
Georgetown
Marquette

 

[joeyklings]

1. St Johns
2. Uconn
3. Nova
4. Depaul
5. Hall
6. Prov
7. Creighton
8. Butler
9. X
10. Marq
11. Gtown

 

[joeyklings]

1. UCONN
(gap)

2. SJU
(much bigger gap)


3. Nova

(bigger gap)

Depaul
Hall
Providence
Creighton
Butler
Xavier
Georgetown
Marquette

Why is there a gap between 1&2? Please don’t say because of Wednesday’s outcome. Stj beat them comfortably two weeks ago

 

[Fishjam]

1 - UCONN
2 - St. John's

3 - Villanova

The rest are crap.
4 - DePaul
5 - Seton Hall
6 - Providence
7 - Creighton
8 - Xavier
9 - Butler
10 - Georgetown
11 - Marquette

Yes but clearly 2 tiers of the crap - crappy and crappier.

SHall
DePaul
Providence
Creighton

Xavier
Butler
Georgetown
Marquette

 

[dehere23]

Why is there a gap between 1&2? Please don’t say because of Wednesday’s outcome. Stj beat them comfortably two weeks ago

Not off that game. I’ve said all year I think UCONN is the better team. So I don’t base it on the Wednesday rout in Hartford/Storrs. Anything can happen in one game, and that was UConn’s proverbial regular season Super Bowl. Having lost 3 in a row to SJU, I was uber confident they would win (predicted double digits I think), though obviously not in the fashion they destroyed them.

I’ve liked them more all season because they have more continuity from last year, more balance, more parts that make sense together, more experience winning together (or in college generally) and a higher ceiling IMO. The league coaches picked SJU as a slight favorite over UConn, but as I’ve said before, Vegas had UConn as the favorites to win the league and I know this because I bet them. Also, UConn had a much better OOC.

So that’s been my view all year, and it won’t change given what the records are and what transpired to date even if they don’t win the BE tourney.

 

[Halldan]

Confused why in some cases DePaul is picked ahead of the Pirates. Recently they are playing better. But the season is more than the last few weeks.

The Pirates have a better record in conference and out. That and superior metrics numbers. And I say this confessing I'm not a big metrics guy. But that doesn't mean you completely ignore them.

Kenpom
SHU 53
DePaul 95

Net
SHU 56
DePaul 97

Plus, I strongly believe that Providence is better than DePaul as well, although I understand why some may disagree. Yes, DePaul has a better record but Providence has recently beaten DePaul twice and their metrics are also far superior than DePaul's.

 

[joeyklings]

You may forget that Depaul swept the hall

 

[Halldan]

The season is more than 2 games long. We swept Providence and Providence swept DePaul.

You take more than just that to rank teams.

 

[joeyklings]

They are playing better, swept us, and are likely to finish with the same conference record, if not better.

 

[Halldan]

Doubtful. They still have to play Nova and Butler. We play Xavier and SJU and we're one game up on them at the moment.

Plus this listing isn't a projection it's games to date.

Right now DePaul is below us. Down the road we'll see.

 

[joeyklings]

We’re going 0-2. They are going 1-1 at worst.

 

[joeyklings]

Doubtful. They still have to play Nova and Butler. We play Xavier and SJU and we're one game up on them at the moment.

Plus this listing isn't a projection it's games to date.

Right now DePaul is below us. Down the road we'll see.

FYI - DePaul almost beat Nova on the road, now they get them minus a starter as Hodge is out for the year.

 

[TheHall87]

You may forget that Depaul swept the hall

Was the 1987 Seton Hall team better than Georgetown?