Shapen is missing on more than he's hitting those by the way Taylor is really accurate on deep balls, it's the short passes he has more issues with
Assuming Shapen is healthy - who do you start Saturday?
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Missouri has an incredible defense. We can’t run the ball. You have to run the ball to win games against good defenses. KT gives us a run game and is good enough in the pass game to hit some big plays
Start Shapen. Maybe Taylor if it was a home game, but not on the road. Shapen, if nothing else, has the experience. If he screws up, then try Taylor fairly early into the game.
And Lebby needs to make proper in-game decisions, such as - kick the FG when it's time. Maybe go by the statistics that the announcers are always talking about.
And Lebby needs to make proper in-game decisions, such as - kick the FG when it's time. Maybe go by the statistics that the announcers are always talking about.
There is a lot merit in what you are saying. Honestly I don't know what I would do. KT does seem to be the best choice right now which is how I voted. The entire team seems to play better when he is in. But, there is no way Lebby is going with anyone but Shapen if he can play. He is totally sold on Shapen.
Are you talking about the games where we scored 34 and 38 points? I don’t just love shapen but if protected, he gives us a better shot to win.
I don't think we have seen enough deep balls by KT to know that yet... That long TD to Evans against Arkansas looked pretty badly underthrown to me, but Evans makes it a TD with his effort.
I do find it remarkable how close to an even split SPS is on this one. 40 to 39 as of this post.
He hit one on Saturday. The one he completed the week prior was severely underthrown.
I think KT needs to play, but accuracy is a big problem for him and that's the argument for playing Shapen. The counter is that Shapen accelerates the pass rush and guarantees a bunch of negative plays.
Shapen might know the playbook 5X better than Taylor but what good does it do you when you can't execute? Shapen's is not a run threat and cannot evade pressure and that is LETHAL with our swiss cheese oline. Taylor is a run threat and can evade pressure. That helps protect our running backs AND helps our pass attack. He is just as good a passer as Shapen to my eyes. Finally, Taylor is our future. Shapen done all he is going to do and it has been pretty pedestrian.
It is a no-brainer to me that Taylor should start the next two games.
It is a no-brainer to me that Taylor should start the next two games.
Missouri is 6th in the conference with 24 sacks. Leader are 2 teams (Texas and A&M) at 34 sacks. We have 18.
So what it boils down to - if Reese is healthy - start Shapen. Otherwise, it's a toss up.
So what it boils down to - if Reese is healthy - start Shapen. Otherwise, it's a toss up.
Agreed but what if you play Taylor and he doesn't come back ? Not claiming I know who to play but if Shapen is the best option to win ...I play him .
It was a bit under-thrown, but those are low percentage passes under the best circumstances. It was a good throw, and a very good catch. KT is going to give you more bad than good. But with him the good is very good.
Really want to see him learn to read when to give the ball away. There were a couple plays against Florida where he chose to keep and got stuffed when the handoff option was gonna be wide open.
This really isn’t that complicated. Lebby doesn’t want to put KT in front of one of the worst OLs in CFB consistently. Blake has done a respectable job considering how awful the OL is. How many different OL 5 across have we ran this year? I’d love to know that answer because it’s got to be staggering. When KT comes in, DLs have been pinning their ears back and he’s slipping by. If he plays a whole game, defenses will play zone & rush 3 with a spy & we still won’t be able to block them.
We have 1 path forward: start Shapen, sprinkle in KT for a spark, and next year load up on OL in portal with another year of development for KT. We also have 3 juco guys who redshirted. We’ll have more bodies and better prospects next year. This year we’re like a prize fighter with a great right hook that can’t throw it because he had a broken hand. He still has a chance to win with left & a jab but the odds are stacked against us.
We have 1 path forward: start Shapen, sprinkle in KT for a spark, and next year load up on OL in portal with another year of development for KT. We also have 3 juco guys who redshirted. We’ll have more bodies and better prospects next year. This year we’re like a prize fighter with a great right hook that can’t throw it because he had a broken hand. He still has a chance to win with left & a jab but the odds are stacked against us.
Nah, he's processing way faster than Shapen. Shapen locks in on one guy, takes a sack, and fumbles. Dude has 3 more TDs than turnovers. That's a shittton of bad from Shapen! Taylor has to learn touch on the short balls and that's about it. He handles the RPO better too
That’s fair. And I’m fine turning the page to next year. I do think Shapen is the better QB right now but honestly it’s not by a wide margin. I’d start Taylor….
Frankly, I’m just tired of seeing Shapen get sacked and looking at his first read, tucking it and running for 3 yards. But your point is valid, Shapen can clearly run the offense better right now.
It blows my mind that the coaches can't figure this out. Just play Shapen until we get in a short yardage situation or get inside the 15 or so. Then it's KT time. The paradigm has already been shown in the way Urban used Leak & Tebow.
As to the question of whom to start, it's Shapen if he's healthy. You don't start a true freshman on the road for the first time unless you don't have another choice.
As to the question of whom to start, it's Shapen if he's healthy. You don't start a true freshman on the road for the first time unless you don't have another choice.
If we had an oline that could give us time, Shapen is a very accurate qb and he would be my choice. We don't have that luxury right now and K1 makes a decision pretty quick and either throws it or takes off. I think that option gives us the best chance to win this year. He hasn't been very accurate, but, having sec game experience will help him to get more comfortable in the passing game. I would go with Taylor for that reason. It also helps that he will be getting some great experience for next year.
I would feel better about a lot of things if Huncy was the coach vice Humpty.
You always play to win. Always. We have a chance to go to a bowl game & we’ve literally got some fans wanting to play for next year. That’s insane. We have some really dumb fans.
Is it?
Objectively, look at the stats below and tell me what Shapen does better than KT? Make a couple situational throws here and there, sure, but KT has him beat in every other statistical and physical measure
If State's OL isn't at 100%, then that means there's a deficiency there. Shapen will look like David Carr if the OL isn't at 100%. They used to say that David Carr was a sack waiting to happen. That's kind of where Shapen is right now.
Kamario definitely needs more playing time. When the OL has glaring deficiencies, you need someone who can scramble to keep the play alive. I also believe Kamario gives the OC (Lebby) some different options to be more aggressive on offense since the defense will be held in check by having a mobile QB in the game.
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I went back and viewed the tape of the 2nd half. I didn't watch on Saturday. I know the game was already decided. But I would go fully with KT. The last 2 games should be his. He passes the eye test. Physically there is no comparison. He may throw some interceptions, but Shapen fumbles like crazy. It would require these coaches to modify their approach somewhat, which would require some thought on their part, so there is that problem.
I would have Shapen and Taylor switch jerseys and try to catch Missouri off guard
One guy couldn’t throw a rock in the Pacific Ocean from Santa Monica peer.
the other is 65% with 15 TDs
The demeanor coming out of Lebby’s press conference today did not seem optimistic about Shapen being healthy enough to play Saturday. Egg Bowl may be a different story since we’ve got a bye week beforehand. But the speculation currently is Shapen is probably out for the Mizzou game.
Kamario has a long way to go to make basic throws.
It’s so obvious but apparently 50% of fans can’t see it.
Fans can see that KT's completion percentage is very close to Shapen's. His rushing numbers make Shapen look sick. Start Taylor.
One guy couldn't escape my grandma rushing him and has 12 yards on 94 attempts
the other guy has 200 yards on 34 attempts and 5 TDS, 58% completion
It’s so obvious but apparently 50% of fans can’t see it.
Am I doing this right?
Remember the quick pass he threw that wasn’t even close? I immediately thought of Vasity Blues when Mox hit the other teams mascot with the ball to stop the clock. He also missed a wide open crossing route inside the red zone and almost threw it into the stands.
No you aren’t at all!
Kamario isn’t ready to take all the snaps. Look at how bad he misses passes! Wide open easy passes.