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Thought this was interesting question by Josh Barnhill over at Maroon & White Nation ... http://maroonandwhitenation.com/?p=846


At first, I dismissed the idea of even 'thinking' there was any valid comparision between Relf and the "Legend." Manning is, after all, "everything that is good and holy" about Ole Miss football." But, got to say he pointed out a lot that I had forgot after 40+ years.


Anyway, at least it's not about recruiting. Post follows ...


Did Chris Relf Just Have a Better Career than Archie Manning did at Ole Miss?


Posted on January 2, 2012 by Josh Barnhill


I’m not going to say Chris Relf is a better quarterback than someone who finished Top 5 in the Heisman vote twice, was SEC Player of the Year and an NFL Offensive Player of the Year, but I can look at the numbers and see that Chris Relf might have had a better career at Mississippi State than Ole Miss’ beloved Archie Manning did in Oxford.


1. Chris Relf was 3-0 in Egg Bowls. Archie Manning was 1-1-1. From 1947-1967 Ole Miss dominated the Egg Bowl, going 17-1-3. Enter Archie in 1968 and a WINLESS State team forced a 17-17 tie. Two years later, #10 Ole Miss loses to a 5-5 State team 19-14 IN OXFORD.


2. Completion Percentage; Relf: 57.8 Manning: 52.8


3. Yards per attempt; Relf: 7.2 Manning: 6.2


4. Passing Touchdowns; Manning: 31 Relf 27 ….really? only four more TDs in 11 more starts?


5. Interceptions; Relf: 16 Manning: 40


6. QB Rating; Relf: 131.1 Manning: 108.2


7. Rushing Yards; Relf: 1,511 Manning: 823


8. Winning Percentage; Manning: .667 (22-10-1) Relf: .636 (14-8) …pretty close considering Archie is a “legend”.


9. Relf was 2-0 in bowl games. Manning was 2-1. The accomplishment here is Chris Relf won a Gator Bowl, Manning lost a Gator Bowl.


10. Over the past few years you saw what Chris Relf did at MSU. He was good, but not great. And his numbers are comparable to Archie Mannings? Ole Miss’ greatest hero? TSUN fans will surely tell you that Manning did not have much help (same song and dance as his time with the Saints), but the Rebs did go 10-2 the year after he graduated, 1971…..and they clobbered State 48-0.


You be the Jury. Maybe Relf’s career was better than Manning’s, maybe it wasn’t. Whatever it is, we’ve got bragging rights, and and the right to rub their nose in these stats!
 
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Thought this was interesting question by Josh Barnhill over at Maroon & White Nation ... http://maroonandwhitenation.com/?p=846


At first, I dismissed the idea of even 'thinking' there was any valid comparision between Relf and the "Legend." Manning is, after all, "everything that is good and holy" about Ole Miss football." But, got to say he pointed out a lot that I had forgot after 40+ years.


Anyway, at least it's not about recruiting. Post follows ...


Did Chris Relf Just Have a Better Career than Archie Manning did at Ole Miss?


Posted on January 2, 2012 by Josh Barnhill


I’m not going to say Chris Relf is a better quarterback than someone who finished Top 5 in the Heisman vote twice, was SEC Player of the Year and an NFL Offensive Player of the Year, but I can look at the numbers and see that Chris Relf might have had a better career at Mississippi State than Ole Miss’ beloved Archie Manning did in Oxford.


1. Chris Relf was 3-0 in Egg Bowls. Archie Manning was 1-1-1. From 1947-1967 Ole Miss dominated the Egg Bowl, going 17-1-3. Enter Archie in 1968 and a WINLESS State team forced a 17-17 tie. Two years later, #10 Ole Miss loses to a 5-5 State team 19-14 IN OXFORD.


2. Completion Percentage; Relf: 57.8 Manning: 52.8


3. Yards per attempt; Relf: 7.2 Manning: 6.2


4. Passing Touchdowns; Manning: 31 Relf 27 ….really? only four more TDs in 11 more starts?


5. Interceptions; Relf: 16 Manning: 40


6. QB Rating; Relf: 131.1 Manning: 108.2


7. Rushing Yards; Relf: 1,511 Manning: 823


8. Winning Percentage; Manning: .667 (22-10-1) Relf: .636 (14-8) …pretty close considering Archie is a “legend”.


9. Relf was 2-0 in bowl games. Manning was 2-1. The accomplishment here is Chris Relf won a Gator Bowl, Manning lost a Gator Bowl.


10. Over the past few years you saw what Chris Relf did at MSU. He was good, but not great. And his numbers are comparable to Archie Mannings? Ole Miss’ greatest hero? TSUN fans will surely tell you that Manning did not have much help (same song and dance as his time with the Saints), but the Rebs did go 10-2 the year after he graduated, 1971…..and they clobbered State 48-0.


You be the Jury. Maybe Relf’s career was better than Manning’s, maybe it wasn’t. Whatever it is, we’ve got bragging rights, and and the right to rub their nose in these stats!
 
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Thought this was interesting question by Josh Barnhill over at Maroon & White Nation ... http://maroonandwhitenation.com/?p=846


At first, I dismissed the idea of even 'thinking' there was any valid comparision between Relf and the "Legend." Manning is, after all, "everything that is good and holy" about Ole Miss football." But, got to say he pointed out a lot that I had forgot after 40+ years.


Anyway, at least it's not about recruiting. Post follows ...


Did Chris Relf Just Have a Better Career than Archie Manning did at Ole Miss?


Posted on January 2, 2012 by Josh Barnhill


I’m not going to say Chris Relf is a better quarterback than someone who finished Top 5 in the Heisman vote twice, was SEC Player of the Year and an NFL Offensive Player of the Year, but I can look at the numbers and see that Chris Relf might have had a better career at Mississippi State than Ole Miss’ beloved Archie Manning did in Oxford.


1. Chris Relf was 3-0 in Egg Bowls. Archie Manning was 1-1-1. From 1947-1967 Ole Miss dominated the Egg Bowl, going 17-1-3. Enter Archie in 1968 and a WINLESS State team forced a 17-17 tie. Two years later, #10 Ole Miss loses to a 5-5 State team 19-14 IN OXFORD.


2. Completion Percentage; Relf: 57.8 Manning: 52.8


3. Yards per attempt; Relf: 7.2 Manning: 6.2


4. Passing Touchdowns; Manning: 31 Relf 27 ….really? only four more TDs in 11 more starts?


5. Interceptions; Relf: 16 Manning: 40


6. QB Rating; Relf: 131.1 Manning: 108.2


7. Rushing Yards; Relf: 1,511 Manning: 823


8. Winning Percentage; Manning: .667 (22-10-1) Relf: .636 (14-8) …pretty close considering Archie is a “legend”.


9. Relf was 2-0 in bowl games. Manning was 2-1. The accomplishment here is Chris Relf won a Gator Bowl, Manning lost a Gator Bowl.


10. Over the past few years you saw what Chris Relf did at MSU. He was good, but not great. And his numbers are comparable to Archie Mannings? Ole Miss’ greatest hero? TSUN fans will surely tell you that Manning did not have much help (same song and dance as his time with the Saints), but the Rebs did go 10-2 the year after he graduated, 1971…..and they clobbered State 48-0.


You be the Jury. Maybe Relf’s career was better than Manning’s, maybe it wasn’t. Whatever it is, we’ve got bragging rights, and and the right to rub their nose in these stats!
 
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Ole Arch was 1-0-1 versus MSU. He didn't play in the game his senior season being out with an injury.

I would like to see the Relf and Manning record in SEC starts.
 
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And Eli Manning has had a better pro career than Johnny Unitas.

1. Completion Percentage; Unitas: 54.6 Manning: 58.4

2. Yards per attempt; Unitas: 7.8 Manning: 7.0

3. Passing Touchdowns per season; Unitas: 17.1 Manning: 23.1

4. Interceptions per season; Unitas: 14.9 Manning: 16.1

5. QB Rating; Unitas: 78.2 Manning: 82.1

On that subject, they really should quit talking so highly of that Unitas guy looking back on his numbers. He really wasn't that good, average at best. Applaud the trolling effort though. It's high quality.
 
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The game today is completely different than it was back then. Archie's career QB rating was 108. That's terrible by today's standards. But for the time it was well above average. The rating formula was devised in about 1980 and was designed to give the average QB a rating of 100. If Archie was at 108 over a decade before then, that's pretty good. Also, I bet Archie's rushing stats were better than Relf's.

Note to Bruiser: This is also why your comparison of Eli to Unitas isn't a valid comparison either.
 
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<span>How did you decide on Johnny Unitas for the comparison?

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he had a better career based on expectations- ill tell you about relf, ive met both people, and relf is a hell of a better person than ole arch. great guy and good player for us. he always took time with kids, and fans. dude was even on our christmas card. Hell- i named my new dog Relf. i love my dog. im driving 14 mph on campus next year in his honor. even the legend cant compete with relf.
 
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RebelBruiser said:
And Eli Manning has had a better pro career than Johnny Unitas.

1. Completion Percentage; Unitas: 54.6 Manning: 58.4

2. Yards per attempt; Unitas: 7.8 Manning: 7.0

3. Passing Touchdowns per season; Unitas: 17.1 Manning: 23.1

4. Interceptions per season; Unitas: 14.9 Manning: 16.1

5. QB Rating; Unitas: 78.2 Manning: 82.1

On that subject, they really should quit talking so highly of that Unitas guy looking back on his numbers. He really wasn't that good, average at best. Applaud the trolling effort though. It's high quality.
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In your sarcasm lies the truth - that Manning may have been a better COLLEGE QB than Unitas - both of whom pale in comparison (no racism intended) to Chris Relf.
 
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the hell archies legend came from. i can understand the love from them for the guy but how the hell he has achieved "legend" status is beyond me. It is a plastic legend. That said, would also like to see archies numbers vs. waynes.
 
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patdog said:
Also, I bet Archie's rushing stats were better than Relf's.
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Don't have the # of attempts for either BUT Relf had way more total yardage.


Rushing Yards; Relf: 1,511 Archie: 823


And, I too have all those 'memories' of Archie scrambling around the pocket and picking up yardage. I just never remembered that he had 40 INTs and was only a ~53% passer.
 
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My speech teacher put up Eli's numbers and Archie's numbers but labeled them player one and player two and used that as an example of how human perception is more valued than computer numbers. Archie is a legend because he led us to a sugar bowl and is in the college football hall of fame. I don't recall any "Chris Who" buttons made by any opponents. But surely this isn't serious
 
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...Chattanooga and the loss to MSU. He wore a protective cast against both LSU and Auburn (Gator Bowl), both losses.

A fewother notes:
1) I'm not going to check, but Manning's individual bowl stats might not be a part of his official career statistics, or even those quoted here. Back in that era, bowl stats were notcounted towardsstatistical yearly totals, either individually or collectively.
2) Manning was also named the Most Outstanding Player of the 1970 Sugar Bowl. That season (1969), Ole Miss beat four teams ranked in the Top 10at the time of the game (UGA, LSU, Tennessee and Arkansas).
3) Manning deserves extra credit for winning an SEC Championship...in BASEBALL. He was the Sophomore starting SS in 1969 and played for UM that year in the College World Series. He was theAll-SEC SSin 1970; that was the year of the fabulouswinner-take-all MSU-UM series in Oxford when State's Brantley Jones "shot the bird" at Rebel fans at Old Swayze Field after clinching the West Division title and avoiding the sweep. Manning chose not to play baseball his senior year, due to the injury to his left arm and his preparation for the NFL draft. Here is an interesting column in the Palm Beach paper fromJanuary, 1971:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1964&dat=19710104&id=ioIyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dLcFAAAAIBAJ&pg=858,1679687
 
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As long as it stabs at your little insecurities about the legend of archie and your pathetic athletics. Face it, archie was a ***** and always will be one. Just like you.
 
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My earliest memories of him were with the Saints, but I just assumed he'd have more rushing yards. Not surprised at all with the completion percentage. That was pretty good for those days. Joe Montana only completed 52% of his passes at Notre Dame, with 15 TDs and 15 picks. And yes, that is his career TDs for 3 years at Notre Dame (looks like he was probably injured his soph season).</p>
 
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and although I was an MSU fan then (was in high school), there is really no comparison between Archie and Relf. Archie was one of the best quarterbacks to ever play college football, and would have done great things in the pros but he played for the Saints and had absolutely no protection from the OL. Football was a much different game back then ... players were smaller and the game is a lot more physical nowadays. Players weigh more and are in much better shape. And there were no black players then in the South, and very few anywhere else. FB is about as different now as basketball now is from back then when tall and skinny was the rule. Then, BB was a game of finesse ... now its physical.
 
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whereisomaha said:
My speech teacher put up Eli's numbers and Archie's numbers but labeled them player one and player two and used that as an example of how human perception is more valued than computer numbers. Archie is a legend because he led us to a sugar bowl and is in the college football hall of fame. I don't recall any "Chris Who" buttons made by any opponents. But surely this isn't serious
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Wait, you're admitting that you believe perception is more accurate than numbers?

We all knew that people like yourself romanticize the distant past (and make believe you belong there today). But I'm surprised you just outed yourself like that.
 
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Ole Miss did go to the Sugar Bowl after the 1969 season, but actually finished only 5th in the SEC at 4-2 that year.<div>
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</div><div>Tennessee (5-1), LSU (4-1), Auburn (5-2), and Florida (3-1-1) all finished ahead of OM. UT and UF played each other in the Gator Bowl, Auburn played in the Bluebonnet Bowl, and LSU didn't go to a bowl.</div> </div>
 
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hate St. Archibald, so ease up on the "State" bs. This thread is just something to discuss other then the crazy recruiting threads. Don't like it, go back to Nafoom and discuss neat recipes for tailgatin, or where to purchase some khakis and a bow tie.
 
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...rest of his life, and I don't blame him.

Also note that UT's Doug Dickey left to coach UF (his alma mater) after losing to the Gators in Jacksonville. In later years, of course, Dickey returned to UT as Athletic Director, in spite of how upset Big Orange fans were in January, 1970. Stranger than fiction.
 
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****! They actually told people Lil Farve had a baby on the way when it came out he was transferring. Pretty classy!** I'm as much a state fan as anyone, but Relf is nowhere near the quarterback Archie was. Just incase I'm wrong let's compare their pro careers when Relf fini.......never mind.
 
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FlabLoser said:
whereisomaha said:
My speech teacher put up Eli's numbers and Archie's numbers but labeled them player one and player two and used that as an example of how human perception is more valued than computer numbers. Archie is a legend because he led us to a sugar bowl and is in the college football hall of fame. I don't recall any "Chris Who" buttons made by any opponents. But surely this isn't serious
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Wait, you're admitting that you believe perception is more accurate than numbers?

We all knew that people like yourself romanticize the distant past (and make believe you belong
there today). But I'm surprised you just outed yourself like that.
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Then you don't read anything I post
 
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Just making another era to era comparison.

50% completion percentage used to be a solid number.

The game has changed just a little bit, which is common knowledge. That's why I said it was a nice trolling effort to come up with something like that. I responded by giving an equally absurd trolling effort comparing the same eras.
 
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