Bo Bounds: 5 wins or bust

[TheBannerM]

I ran out of things to listen to this weekend while doing house work, so I listened to a couple Out of Bounds show segments. Bo seems to think Lebby needs to win 5 games or he needs to get pushed out. He also said he doesn’t understand why SPS posters are so resigned to the fact Lebby is coming back unless he has another 2-10 season.

He then proceeds to go through the transfer portal list like it was the first time he’s seen it. [lol, how can a radio host who brags about his connections at State and who talks about sports 15 hours a week be so ignorant about what’s going on in Starkville]

Anyway, do you think Lebby should be fired if State goes 4-8 or 0-8 in the SEC? If so, do you think State could hire a good coach after firing 3/4 coaches in two years or less?

 

[cadawg26]

We have to give him a 3rd year. If we fired him after this year, that’s way too much turnover. And no, I think 4 wins would be a success. It would be really good for him to get a conference win though.

 

[CaptainFalcon]

5-7 would be a GREAT season with our schedule. We went 2-10 last year with wins over EKU and UMass. If he goes 4-8 and wins one SEC game it’s a marketed improvement over last year. That’s how bad we were.

You can’t pull the plug after two years unless we are even worse than last season somehow.

 

[pseudonym]

I’m generally against firing coaches for the foreseeable future unless:
1-We have no choice OR
2-We can make a home run hire like baseball just did (unlikely)

Let’s roll with Lebby and see what happens.

 

[onewoof]

How many millions are you willing to blow and get the same end results?

We would have to do the same thing in football ball we are doing in baseball. 4X more spend. I don't think we have the appetite to do that and, like Ole Miss, miss the playoffs.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Yes. There's no such thing as a multi-year rebuild anymore. Either Lebby can win in the new turnover-your-roster-every-year era, or he can't.

The only exception I could see if is we secured a lot more NIL money late this year and Lebby gave us reason to think results would be different with better talent. Barring that, we can expect however he does this year to be however he does in any given year.

 

[patdog]

We have to give him a 3rd year. If we fired him after this year, that’s way too much turnover. And no, I think 4 wins would be a success. It would be really good for him to get a conference win though.

No. We. Don’t. This is literally the dumbest take imaginable. If you have a poor performer you fire him. You don’t say, well let’s keep him around for a year or two longer because the last guy sucked too & we had to fire him.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

No. We. Don’t. This is literally the dumbest take imaginable. If you have a poor performer you fire him. You don’t say, well let’s keep him around for a year or two longer because the last guy sucked too & we had to fire him.

Exactly. Keeping Lebby for a 3rd terrible season would damage the program more than cutting bait and trying with Jason Candle or whoever.

 

[msstatelp1]

I’m not focused on the record as much as seeing improvement over last year’s dumpster fire. If there’s no improvement, Lebby has to go.

 

[TheBannerM]

Exactly. Keeping Lebby for a 3rd terrible season would damage the program more than cutting bait and trying with Jason Candle or whoever.

What if I told you your pool of candidates is bigger if you give Lebby a third year? Every coaching change, fans say “coaches will crawl through broken glass to take an SEC job” and then we see a meh coaching hot board and every year we get told “no thanks” by up-and-coming coaches. It’s already labeled “the toughest job in the SEC.” Being also known a school that doesn’t give coaches “enough time” will make even harder to attract GOOD coaches.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

What if I told you your pool of candidates is bigger if you give Lebby a third year? Every coaching change, fans say “coaches will crawl through broken glass to take an SEC job” and then we see a meh coaching hot board and every year we get told “no thanks” by up-and-coming coaches. It’s already labeled “the toughest job in the SEC.” Being also known a school that doesn’t give coaches “enough time” will make even harder to attract GOOD coaches.

I would say that isn't true. We are an SEC job and can pay like one. Virtually any G5 coach would take our job (the only exceptions being the ones who are super old and about to retire, or who have family considerations), as would some ACC/Big 12 coaches if we make the money right.

 

[patdog]

What if I told you your pool of candidates is bigger if you give Lebby a third year? Every coaching change, fans say “coaches will crawl through broken glass to take an SEC job” and then we see a meh coaching hot board and every year we get told “no thanks” by up-and-coming coaches. It’s already labeled “the toughest job in the SEC.” Being also known a school that doesn’t give coaches “enough time” will make even harder to attract GOOD coaches.

The pool of candidates would be exactly the same. Nobody is going to think twice about taking a job where you fired the last guy for going 2-10, 3-9. At least nobody you’d want to hire in the first place.

 

[85Bears]

No. We. Don’t. This is literally the dumbest take imaginable. If you have a poor performer you fire him. You don’t say, well let’s keep him around for a year or two longer because the last guy sucked too & we had to fire him.

Especially true if you could have hired a good coach in that span Like Jon Sumrall . Can’t be afraid to upgrade.

 

[pseudonym]

Quick Google search results:

Current liabilities (with employment mitigation clauses):

• Arnett - $4.5 MM
• Lemonis - $1.2 MM

Lebby buyout if fired:

• $14.3 MM

Is this accurate?

 

[dawgstudent]

No. We. Don’t. This is literally the dumbest take imaginable. If you have a poor performer you fire him. You don’t say, well let’s keep him around for a year or two longer because the last guy sucked too & we had to fire him.

The dumbest take is wanting to leave the SEC.

 

[Chesusdog]

I am clinging to the hope that the additions to the defensive staff will help shore up what has been an absolute embarrassment the last two years.

 

[patdog]

The dumbest take is wanting to leave the SEC.

Ouch.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The dumbest take is wanting to leave the SEC.

 

[GloryDawg]

First of all, I don't think firing a coach hurts your school one bit if you are in the SEC. Every college sports fan in the world knows the SEC is the most competitive conference and excellent is required regardless of the school. Only a few coaches will say not to a SEC job. Those at a big time P4 school. We have SEC money and can pay a coach. Second every year you keep a bad coach is another year you are set back from having a winning season. I believe we missed out on an additional 15 million from the SEC this season because we did not make a bowl game. Times that by three seasons and you lost a lot of money. Also got to stop thinking poo old miss state. **** what PF or anyone else says. You fire a coach if they don't win. You don't build teams anymore. You build a roster for this season. The portal and NIL have change everything and it has to change the way you view it.

 

[ckDOG]

The one good thing about the portal is that it accelerates the inevitable. If you can't win quickly, you likely are never going to win. We don't live in a program development era any longer. If Lebby wins 2-4 games this year and doesn't compete against SEC programs that's never going to change for him at MSU.

Could he win elsewhere where there is a baseline elite level of NIL funds to work with? Possible that he could. But we aren't dealing with that here. Fair or not, we have to find a coach that can win quickly with less to get buy in from the fan base. Just the way it is here...

 

[bulldoghair]

Anyway, do you think Lebby should be fired if State goes 4-8 or 0-8 in the SEC? If so, do you think State could hire a good coach after firing 3/4 coaches in two years or less?

Yes and Yes.
Second yes is only if they think outside the box. Problem is they hire coaches who do things like everyone else, who run generic schemes and concepts, except with way less money to buy players with. Yes, if they hire a coach who understands gorilla warfare, and who already operates that way , and who has had success doing so with lesser talent.

 

[pseudonym]

First of all, I don't think firing a coach hurts your school one bit if you are in the SEC.

It does if you are paying SEC-sized buyouts when money is the best predictor of success.

 

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Yes, if they hire a coach who understands gorilla warfare, and who already operates that way , and who has had success doing so with lesser talent.

And who are those coaches?

 

[TheBannerM]

First of all, I don't think firing a coach hurts your school one bit if you are in the SEC. Every college sports fan in the world knows the SEC is the most competitive conference and excellent is required regardless of the school. Only a few coaches will say not to a SEC job. Those at a big time P4 school. We have SEC money and can pay a coach. Second every year you keep a bad coach is another year you are set back from having a winning season. I believe we missed out on an additional 15 million from the SEC this season because we did not make a bowl game. Times that by three seasons and you lost a lot of money. Also got to stop thinking poo old miss state. **** what PF or anyone else says. You fire a coach if they don't win. You don't build teams anymore. You build a roster for this season. The portal and NIL have change everything and it has to change the way you view it.

We have SEC money, but we’re at or near the bottom of the league in spending and who knows where we’re at with NIL relative to the rest of the conference. Those are just facts.

 

[ronpolk]

We have to give him a 3rd year. If we fired him after this year, that’s way too much turnover. And no, I think 4 wins would be a success. It would be really good for him to get a conference win though.

I just don’t understand this thought process. If you know you got a ****** coach, why does hanging on to him another year so we have less turnover help? If he goes 0-8 in the SEC again this year, he should be let go.

 

[TheBannerM]

I just don’t understand this thought process. If you know you got a ****** coach, why does hanging on to him another year so we have less turnover help? If he goes 0-8 in the SEC again this year, he should be let go.

One reason is because he was handed the toughest State schedule we’ve ever played in my lifetime.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

The dumbest take is wanting to leave the SEC.

Which one is Lebby gets a third year with a horrible record and which one is MSU leaves the SEC?

 

[Big Dawg81]

If Bo had his way, Willie Bloomquist would be the baseball coach and Barry Odom would be the football coach.

 

[Xenomorph]

We have to give him a 3rd year.

 

[PrimeDog]

One reason is because he was handed the toughest State schedule we’ve ever played in my lifetime.

But that’s going to be the case going forward in this new SEC. When you see a sucky Vandy coach bite the bullet and bring in players and coaches, beat Bama and Ga Tech and come close to knocking off Texas, you can’t use these excuses any more.

Yes Lebby inherited a raw deal with a ****** roster, but he’s got to show something THIS season. There’s no more wait til next year to have some kind of success. That means he needs at least one league win and not lose to Southern Juco or Northern Illinois.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Before I give him another season, I need to review what we did from the beginning of the year to the end of the year to see if we have improved in any area on our football team.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

I ran out of things to listen to this weekend while doing house work, so I listened to a couple Out of Bounds show segments. Bo seems to think Lebby needs to win 5 games or he needs to get pushed out. He also said he doesn’t understand why SPS posters are so resigned to the fact Lebby is coming back unless he has another 2-10 season.

He then proceeds to go through the transfer portal list like it was the first time he’s seen it. [lol, how can a radio host who brags about his connections at State and who talks about sports 15 hours a week be so ignorant about what’s going on in Starkville]

Anyway, do you think Lebby should be fired if State goes 4-8 or 0-8 in the SEC? If so, do you think State could hire a good coach after firing 3/4 coaches in two years or less?

Four is the floor. If Levee wins three or less, then we have to seriously consider firing him.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

No way Lebby doesn't get 3 maybe 4 years before his seat gets hot. And no you cant turn over your roster every year and win. For Christ's sake the guys we get out of the portal most of the time are from UAB or backups from freaking Purdue. I mean if you could go grab the top 22 out of the portal sure. Apparently we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. And 5 wins would be amazing. 4 would be decent. Anything less and I will be disappointed but he still ain't getting canned. Period. He is gonna be here 2 more years regardless

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The fact that we’re talking about this proves that we don’t have the right guy. Most likely.

You will know all you need to know by the ‘look’ of the team this fall. Think about 2009, we were still losing, but the team ‘looked’ very good. I’d venture to say that team ‘looked’ better than Croom’s 2007 team.

 

[Dawg1976]

I don’t really care. I just don’t see us winning more than 6 games no matter who the head coach is. Not unless some geezer leaves $100 mil or so to football.

 

[cadawg26]

No way Lebby doesn't get 3 maybe 4 years before his seat gets hot. And no you cant turn over your roster every year and win. For Christ's sake the guys we get out of the portal most of the time are from UAB or backups from freaking Purdue. I mean if you could go grab the top 22 out of the portal sure. Apparently we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. And 5 wins would be amazing. 4 would be decent. Anything less and I will be disappointed but he still ain't getting canned. Period. He is gonna be here 2 more years regardless

My thoughts also.

 

[maroonmania]

The fact that we’re talking about this proves that we don’t have the right guy. Most likely.

You will know all you need to know by the ‘look’ of the team this fall. Think about 2009, we were still losing, but the team ‘looked’ very good. I’d venture to say that team ‘looked’ better than Croom’s 2007 team.

Biggest thing holding Lebby back is having the worst defensive staff in the league BY FAR. The Hutzler hire was totally puzzling from the beginning and then we didn't put much with him on that side of the ball. The defensive staffing issue showed up on the field last year (along with the lack of SEC talent) and now it's a big issue in our HS recruiting. We hired some 'analyst' help for this season on defense so we will see how much good that does.

 

[Pookieray]

Wins are great when the team only won 2 games last year and I do think we best that mark. However, the greatest indicator of whether or not he should be retained for me is the fact that the team is able to compete and are in games that most think we couldn't compete in and maybe even pull an upset. I posted a bit ago that I thought the team looked very competent in the egg bowl we just didn't have the players to pull it off. We were a very different team at the end of the year than we were early on and I think that showed that he knows what he is doing and what needs to be done. We will see if we look "prepared" in the opener. Need to win and win it handily. I, as I assume others, would like to see 6 wins, but if we only get to 4 and are a difficult team to beat I'm fine with keeping him.

 

[TheBannerM]

But that’s going to be the case going forward in this new SEC. When you see a sucky Vandy coach bite the bullet and bring in players and coaches, beat Bama and Ga Tech and come close to knocking off Texas, you can’t use these excuses any more.

Yes Lebby inherited a raw deal with a ****** roster, but he’s got to show something THIS season. There’s no more wait til next year to have some kind of success. That means he needs at least one league win and not lose to Southern Juco or Northern Illinois.

Vandy is not a good excuse for firing Lebby.


You guys would’ve fired Lee in 2023.

 

[ETK99]

He's not getting fired unless there's a scandal. Everyone can stop talking about it.