I'm Sorry I turned it off after the initial rant. would have been entertaining...FSU was down to the 3rd string quarterback who looked horrible. He was not responsible for the Florida win..I am not saying I have liked the "figure skating" type of judging system , and have been for the 8 team playoff for years, automatically rewarding conference champions . - but the system for the last few years has been to reward the 4 best teams based on the criteria that Kirk presented. It has not always been the best, but this year will provide the true champion. FSU with that QB, who was more accurate throwing to the ground than receivers, would have been embarrassed against Michigan Defense. Maybe with a few weeks to prepare, could have been decent. I am glad this is the last year of the system, but Michigan/Alabama will be epic, and UW/Texas might rival the UW/Oregon Matchups.. FSU is also unfortunate that it drew Georgia for the Bowl. While some Bowl teams may be apathetic, like an NCAA snubbed team playing in the NIT, Georgia will be angry, with a QB way better than Plummer
Booger McFarland pulled off ESPN Selection Show
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Other than the 2 Playoff games I'm not certain what any of the Bowl games are going to look like for the simple reason that we don't know who is going to be playing in them.
If you're a senior or an underclassmen who is a projected Top 50 to 100 pick in the NFL Draft why would you play and risk injury ? These guys all have agents and you can bet they'll be advising them to pass on the game.
Beyond that by midweek there are going to be 1500 Division 1 players in the Portal by most estimates and many of those guys are going to be guys who are backups at schools who are in bowl games.
The Bowl games are going to look like a Spring Game in many situations----a preview of your team for next season.
If you're a senior or an underclassmen who is a projected Top 50 to 100 pick in the NFL Draft why would you play and risk injury ? These guys all have agents and you can bet they'll be advising them to pass on the game.
Beyond that by midweek there are going to be 1500 Division 1 players in the Portal by most estimates and many of those guys are going to be guys who are backups at schools who are in bowl games.
The Bowl games are going to look like a Spring Game in many situations----a preview of your team for next season.
Funny. I don't see anyone from ESPN as part of the committee. Maybe the committee chairman from NC State/ACC just doesn't like FSU
I think there's validity to that, as even Feinbaum said they didn't do themselves any favors w/their public ACC bashing in FebruaryFunny. I don't see anyone from ESPN as part of the committee. Maybe the committee chairman from NC State/ACC just doesn't like FSU
I DVR'd the show and watched most of it outside coaches interviews etc...Yea he did have piece of paper thrown at him and it was in jest. Galloway also has those holier than thou reactions on these shows at times if you watch him enough. That happened in like the first 1-1.5 hour and the show is 4 hours. McFarland was there through most of the show (talked about the playoff games and point spreads etc) and through NY6 game reveals and full top 25 which didn't happen until later in the show. Galloway said there's 2 things he hates the "we" like you referred to and also something McElroy said about favoring the SEC because of their history. McElroy didn't get pulled. Galloway went strongly after both those statements. It's an opinion show and the analysts get in heated debates at times. ESPN was switching through many of their college analysts and staff the whole day. McFarland was there for about 3 hours of a 4 hour show. Who is to say he didn't have a personal thing he had to do as to why he left. Too many conspiracy theories. By the way RG3 was on the same side as McFarland in that debate if you watched him throughout the day and on that show.
If you think that was a strong debate you should have seen the morning pre show before the selection. RG3 and I think Sam Acho were arguing vehemently on the side of FSU and Dan Orlovsky on the side of Alabama and Texas (which eventually happened). They were going back and forth quite strongly.
I liked Mullen's perspective the best. He's like there are 5 teams that earned it so someone was going to get screwed but he gave a coaches perspective of how he chose FSU and how finding different ways to win matters.
That's the thing though, Tate was out b/c of concussion protocol
Brook wouldn't be starting in the playoffs
If anything, it speaks to the talent of the team, that with less than 100 passing yards, they still beat the # 15 team in the country by 10
Give them a month to prepare & gameplan and they can compete with anyone
Not saying Booger didn't get pulled - but they just conveniently had RG3 sitting around ready to go on TV?
Perhaps it was a planned thing to switch out commentators.
Was RG3 on the broadcast previously?
Perhaps it was a planned thing to switch out commentators.
Was RG3 on the broadcast previously?
That FSU QB would not be playing in their next game as their other QB will be out of protocol
Yes he was there on the side off set with Mullen and another CFB host they have Matt Barrie. I gave the explanation above and McFarland was there for like 3 hours of a 4 hour show. IMO, it's just conspiracy theory. ESPN was switching around a bunch of their analysts throughout the day on these shows.
and it's on
a group of money donors have signed on to a letter urging the school not to go to the bowl stating they'd cover the cost of the loss to the school.
nole nation is rabid!!!!!
Interesting
End of the day I think they'll rally the troops and play anyway
But I'd like to know soon as I was going to get my plane ticket down there today!
Sorry if this simple fact has already been posted.
They couldn't get Alabama in without including Texas. FSU was the sacrificial lamb.
They couldn't get Alabama in without including Texas. FSU was the sacrificial lamb.
Morning email from The Athletic makes some good points.
We are beholden to a product, not a just system. There is no logical stance that ends up with you shunning an undefeated Florida State — injured QB or not — and putting in 12-1 Alabama. This is about money, ESPN's ratings and a full-strength Alabama against a full-strength Michigan. It’s so disheartening to see the Seminoles win every single game and get nothing better than an Orange Bowl. That QB, Jordan Travis, even apologized for not breaking his leg sooner so that the selection committee could’ve better evaluated Florida State without him. Just … sheesh. What are we doing here?
We are beholden to a product, not a just system. There is no logical stance that ends up with you shunning an undefeated Florida State — injured QB or not — and putting in 12-1 Alabama. This is about money, ESPN's ratings and a full-strength Alabama against a full-strength Michigan. It’s so disheartening to see the Seminoles win every single game and get nothing better than an Orange Bowl. That QB, Jordan Travis, even apologized for not breaking his leg sooner so that the selection committee could’ve better evaluated Florida State without him. Just … sheesh. What are we doing here?
Texas was the real stretch. Ranked 7th and leapfrogs FSU. All this crap about Bama and the SEC. Texas was the longshot
Hmmm.. maybe a physical fight or threat of one happened during the break?
This wasn't the 4 best teams.. its the 4 best for TV that they think they can justify. "They" being the committee that the ESPN agrees can choose what they pay for. "They" don't even want Washington... but "they" were forced to take them otherwise the process gets questioned and the fact that this is still only a MNC.. mythical national championship.. is revealed.
Are these 4 the 4 best right now? Maybe. Could Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, or others beat one or more of these 4 right now? Heck, even Auburn came damn close a couple weeks back.
An 8-team playoff would have gotten the job done this year, IMHO, after looking at the AP Top 25.. (check out numbers 4 and 5).
- Michigan (51)
- Washington (11)
- Texas
- Florida State
- Alabama
- Georgia
- Ohio State
- Oregon
- Missouri
- Penn state
- Ole Miss
- Oklahoma
- LSU
- Arizona
- Notre Dame
- Louisville
- SMU
- Liberty
- NC State
- Iowa
- Oregon State
- Oklahoma State
- Tulane
- James Madison
- Tennessee
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I don't know how it works but DG is working it. Not even sure they can with the conference rules. no idea but it's out there
It would send a message, but it could be cutting off your nose to spite your face type of situation
not here, the boosters are looking to compensate so no loss in funds and it's clear, FSU is out at the first crack in the door.
I get that, but I'm assuming the players want to play.
Additionally, assuming there's not 50 opt outs, playing UGA is a true measuring stick.
I still think they're the best team in the country and we compete w/them for a number of recruits.
Wana see how good we are, or aren't? Or how far we have to go? Face them and see how me measure up.
not sure about the players but I think they get the jist of it all
fsu has quite a few key bodies not playing already
this is a no win for fsu and you never put yourself in a no win position.
Not once Bama beat Georgia. We can't escape the fact Texas won the head to head AT Bama.
There was no way an SEC team wasn't getting in and there was no way Texas could be left out after that win along with dominating the B12 championship.
not only that but the comment made by Reece Davis. Something like "now you guys got me mad. I told you not to comment about xxxxxxx".
Loved Booger's comments about how not taking a team because 1 player is out is so disrespectful to the rest of the team...and how they just want offense in these games.
Prior I don't think any team moved from higher than 6 to get in. Bama goes from 8 and FSU moves down with a win. Unbelievable crap.
Indeed a 4 team playoff means good teams get left out.
That said, Boo Corrigan said FSU couldn't make the cut because they lost their QB starter.
In an off-the-field ranking system, losing a starting QB is as good a criteria as anything else.
I'm not a perfect season record diehard.
An undefeated Patriot team beat the Giants in Dec. 2007 and then lost the Super Bowl.
A one loss Ohio St Team beat #13 Wisconsin 55-0 in 2014 BIG title game and then walloped Bama and Oregon for title.
I'm weary of Bama to be honest but, I don't really care FSU caught a portal-disheveled Bama in 2nd game of season. Bama got much better with rest of season and beat a GA team that hadn't lost in 29 games. I don't think FSU would have beat GA and they would not have looked very good in playoffs. FSU's chances in playoffs were pretty slim and selectors knew that. FSU barely beat Louisville and their back-up QB had a 12.7 QBR. Bama would crush this version of FSU
Going to larger playoff field is the answer and not wrestling with stats
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They could have grown a pair and left Georgia and Alabama out.
Honestly I think this maybe the first (and last) time someone deserving didn't get in. Most years there was a dominant 1 or 2 teams then a drop down to the next group. Going to 12 is too many, 8 was the perfect #.
BYES for 4 teams in a 12-team field is just another way for the TV guys to control who gets the Wonka Golden Ticket to the land of the Semi-Finals. In other words... if this year were next year's format..
Michigan, Alabama, Texas and.. GEORGIA would get BYES.
FSU, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State, Missouri, Penn State, Notre Dame and Liberty (as highest non-P5) would be in the opening round of 4 games.
I say Notre Dame because they wouldn't take 4 from SEC or Big Ten.. I hope. Though they might of Oklahoma instead... if they could find a way to leave out Liberty it would be Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
You watch.., the games about who to leave out will happen again and again decided on BYES. Just got to 18 or down to 8.
Michigan, Alabama, Texas and.. GEORGIA would get BYES.
FSU, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State, Missouri, Penn State, Notre Dame and Liberty (as highest non-P5) would be in the opening round of 4 games.
I say Notre Dame because they wouldn't take 4 from SEC or Big Ten.. I hope. Though they might of Oklahoma instead... if they could find a way to leave out Liberty it would be Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
You watch.., the games about who to leave out will happen again and again decided on BYES. Just got to 18 or down to 8.
If they still plan on playing at the higher seed team's stadium I think nobody wants to sit out the first round. A lot of $$ for the home team!!BYES for 4 teams in a 12-team field is just another way for the TV guys to control who gets the Wonka Golden Ticket to the land of the Semi-Finals. In other words... if this year were next year's format..
Michigan, Alabama, Texas and.. GEORGIA would get BYES.
FSU, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State, Missouri, Penn State, Notre Dame and Liberty (as highest non-P5) would be in the opening round of 4 games.
I say Notre Dame because they wouldn't take 4 from SEC or Big Ten.. I hope. Though they might of Oklahoma instead... if they could find a way to leave out Liberty it would be Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
You watch.., the games about who to leave out will happen again and again decided on BYES. Just got to 18 or down to 8.
The SEC and B10 can’t get all the byes they can only get two. The other two most likely are going to the ACC champ and the B12 champ unless a G5 champ has a great year and passes one of them.BYES for 4 teams in a 12-team field is just another way for the TV guys to control who gets the Wonka Golden Ticket to the land of the Semi-Finals. In other words... if this year were next year's format..
Michigan, Alabama, Texas and.. GEORGIA would get BYES.
FSU, Washington, Oregon, Ohio State, Missouri, Penn State, Notre Dame and Liberty (as highest non-P5) would be in the opening round of 4 games.
I say Notre Dame because they wouldn't take 4 from SEC or Big Ten.. I hope. Though they might of Oklahoma instead... if they could find a way to leave out Liberty it would be Oklahoma and Notre Dame.
You watch.., the games about who to leave out will happen again and again decided on BYES. Just got to 18 or down to 8.
Correct.
It would be UM, Washington, Texas, Alabama with the byes this year.
FSU-Liberty would be a battle of unbeatens.
oops.. that's right. THAT's how the plan passed. 4 P5 conferences will get as bye giving their champs a better shot at the crown.
Yes but something like that can’t happen next year because UM and Washington will be in the same conference and so will Texas and Alabama.
Probably separate thread: did they decide on the 6 AQ spots yet?
They aren’t really going to let 2 “lesser”’ conferences get in are they - the horror!
PAC-12 will have 2 schools? do they even count as a conference?
PAC 2 won’t be a conference to get a bid and as of yet they haven’t officially agreed to pare it down to 5 from 6 AQs but that’s the plan.
That's the thing though, Tate was in concussion protocol so Brook was starting. Tate was going to start in the playoffs, and will start vs. UGA. Assuming there's not 5 million opt outs, I expect an entertaining game