BYU wants to join the Big 12

[RUschool]

Last summer, BYU football coach Bronco Mendenhall didn't mince words when talking to a reporter from the Austin (Texas) American-Statesman about how much BYU wanted to join the Big 12 Conference.

On Tuesday, BYU athletic director Tom Holmoe pounded the same drum, pretty much, while still insisting that independence in football and membership in the West Coast Conference in most other sports is treating the Cougars well.

Responding to a question during his roundtable discussion about whether he believes another conference realignment shift is coming, Holmoe said:

"Yeah, I think so. I think there will probably be one more. … I am hoping [for more shifting] because it is our intention that we would be playing in what they would commonly call a Power-5 conference sometime in the near future."

Later, Holmoe talked about the difficulty of keeping up with the schools in Power-5 conferences who will be getting "$20 million checks" annually from the College Football Playoff and acknowledged he is concerned about the fiscal disparity for schools such as BYU.


What shifting are they expecting? Adding BYU and maybe Cinn or a Big 12 team leaving for another conference?

http://www.sltrib.com/home/2218966-155/byu-intent-on-getting-into-a

 

[Leonard23]

BYU threw away their chance last time by demanding no Sunday games & keeping their own network for games. They'll probably have to budge on 1 or both if they want any chance.
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[jay_hq]

Originally posted by Leonard23:
BYU threw away their chance last time by demanding no Sunday games & keeping their own network for games. They'll probably have to budge on 1 or both if they want any chance.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

no way in hell they agree to play sunday games.

 

[ruman]

They haven't been invited
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[RUfromSoCal?]

I wanna bang Scarlett Johansson

just sayin'

if we're making lists.............

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

BYU thinks they're Notre Dame.

 

[RUtah]

BYU has a monster following and I know from living out here (no, I'm not one of 'them') that the Mormon church is growing like crazy in Texas. They can afford to force the Big 12 to ask them to come, not the other way around. They will get in without conceding on network or Sunday games, probably along with Colorado State which I've said all along. Adding a Cincy and Memphis would just make the B12 look like a CUSA 2.0 or the Big East when they were talking about Boise and SDSU.

It would leave WVU on an island though. I think ultimately the SEC (and maybe the B1G) poaches from the ACC and WVU ends up there.

 

[MADHAT1]

If BYU manages to join, I think the Big 12 will look towards the Eat to find a school(s) to help out WV .
But besides UCF , I don't see a school that might bring in enough TV revenue to make it worthwhile
for the B-12 to expand and doubt they would bring in BYU alone.
I would guess that BYU and three Eastern schools would be what the B-12 would try to do if they
decided to add more schools, but the choices are slim once you get past UCF.
Cincy might be a school to look at and Temple ( being in Phillie ) might be a canidate, but Temple hasn't much of
a football fanbase and Cincy might not bring in the TV sets to make the BearCats a plus if they are brought in.
Memphis might be in there , but they need some dollars to upgrade their football team and facilities in order for them to
earn a look-see.

 

[32Mine]

You never know what those Mormons will do to promote Cougar sport. Back in the 1970's when schools were threatening to boycott BYU because of the Mormon stance on blacks - wouldn't you know it - they had a fresh revelation that blacks were humans after all, with the same rights as white people. If entrance into the Big 12 requires them to play on Sundays I expect the Mormon prophets to have a new revelation.

 

[RUtah]

BYU's policies on same sex relationships will come under fire if they join a P5, no doubt...

 

[RUnumber1]

Aww yes. Religion. Isn't it a wonderful thing to behold.

 

[ecojew]

I'm not so sure that the B12 would want them. They already have one prima donna to deal with, why add a second, especially it isn't named Notre Dame? I still think that the B12 will try to expand toward the east and try to get Florida State and Clemson, perhaps a couple of others, to join. It needs TV sets for future TV contracts and right now it lacks those outside of the state of TX. As much as I would like to see Cincy and UConn end up in a P5 conference, I don't see either of them as a fit for the B12. They belong in the ACC, which will hopefully be needing teams to compensate for raids by the SEC, B12, and B1G.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

Originally posted by RUtah:
BYU has a monster following and I know from living out here (no, I'm not one of 'them') that the Mormon church is growing like crazy in Texas. They can afford to force the Big 12 to ask them to come, not the other way around. They will get in without conceding on network or Sunday games, probably along with Colorado State which I've said all along. Adding a Cincy and Memphis would just make the B12 look like a CUSA 2.0 or the Big East when they were talking about Boise and SDSU.

It would leave WVU on an island though. I think ultimately the SEC (and maybe the B1G) poaches from the ACC and WVU ends up there.

And adding CSU would be like the WAC 2.0, no ? I guess you don't read frank the tank, who exhausts a lot of mental cycles on this sort of thing. FWIW, Franks puts CSU's candidacy behind New Mexico and Houston and about even with UNLV and SMU. Ouch..

FTT on Big 12 expansion

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

It sounds like wishful thinking to me.

They blew their chance with the Pac-12 and Big12.

A 2nd offer may never come.

 

[sherrane]

Originally posted by Leonard23:
BYU threw away their chance last time by demanding no Sunday games & keeping their own network for games. They'll probably have to budge on 1 or both if they want any chance.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

Keeping one live game on their network was an issue, you know, like Texas does with the Longhorn Network? BYU isn't demanding NO Sunday games as I understand it, they want the league to limit the number of Sunday games and to avoid them when possible. The biggest issue with BYU is the age of their players, although few schools and conferences are willing to admit that. The two year Mormon mission exception means that BYU plays 21 and 22-year old freshmen. Every redshirt freshman playing for BYU is draft eligible for the NFL (redshirt their first year, take a 2-year Mormon mission, then play as a freshman in their 4th year out of high school). A BYU redshirt freshman is the same age as a redshirt junior or true senior at Rutgers.

BYU was not offered by the Big 12 because Texas didn't want a championship game. The reason it may happen in the near future is because the conference was the one excluded from the playoff last season. I am fairly confident they will invite BYU and Cincinnati next year if they are on the outside (of the playoff) looking in again this season and the NCAA rejects the ACC's petition to deregulate the conference championship game*, which the Big 12 joined. Playing 12 games instead of 13 is a handicap. TCU and Baylor were 11-1 while Alabama, Oregon, and Ohio State were 12-1 and defeated a ranked team in their championship game, meaning the extra game was a difficult one instead of a finishing the season at 2-10 Iowa State.


* The ACC's petition, which was filed last year and hasn't been ruled on yet, asks the NCAA to deregulate the conference championship game. The ACC wants to match their two highest rated teams in the CCG instead of the winner of the Atlantic vs the winner of the Coastal. This opens the possibility of having a Florida State vs Clemson (both in the Atlantic) or a Virginia Tech vs Miami (both in the Coastal) championship game. The Big 12 joined this petition in order to allow a 10-team conference to hold a conference championship game, a petition the NCAA has rejected at least four times with the latest being the Big 12's petition in 2013.

 

[Abro1975]

The Big 12!Commish has stated recently IF they expand , they will look East. Figure UCF and possibly Cinn (to give W Va a rivalry).

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

PAC 12 should take BYU and (Nevada or Boisie or SD State) and be done with it at 14.

 

[Leonard23]

sherrane

You must be right. All those reports of those issues (Sunday games & TV) must've been wrong. My bad.
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[mal359]

Originally posted by GoodOl'Rutgers:
PAC 12 should take BYU and (Nevada or Boisie or SD State) and be done with it at 14.

Nevada, SDSU, and especially Boise aren't academically up to PAC standards.

 

[mikeinsec127]

RUaMoose posted on 2/26/2015...

Originally posted by RUtah:
BYU
has a monster following and I know from living out here (no, I'm not
one of 'them') that the Mormon church is growing like crazy in Texas.
They can afford to force the Big 12 to ask them to come, not the other
way around. They will get in without conceding on network or Sunday
games, probably along with Colorado State which I've said all along. Adding a Cincy and Memphis would just make the B12 look like a CUSA 2.0 or the Big East when they were talking about Boise and SDSU.

It
would leave WVU on an island though. I think ultimately the SEC (and
maybe the B1G) poaches from the ACC and WVU ends up there.

And adding CSU would be like the WAC 2.0, no ? I guess you don't read
frank the tank, who exhausts a lot of mental cycles on this sort of
thing. FWIW, Franks puts CSU's candidacy behind New Mexico and Houston
and about even with UNLV and SMU. Ouch..

Yeah, but Frank posted that back in 2013, so it is old information. Frank put a lot of effort into his ramblings, but if you look at his post about BIG expansion, he had Sarah Cuse ranked higher than Rutgers as a likely target and didn't even consider the possibility of an ACC defector. Since he posted that B12 op-ed, CSU has pushed for an on-campus stadium. Plus, CSU would be a bridge to BYU AND get the B12 back into a big population state where it once was and probably misses going.

 

[Dpgru]

The big 12 has made it clear over the last few years that they will not expand unless the schools they bring in will increase the individual shares each school gets from the tv contracts. There are not many schools out there that do that. BYUis one if it gives up it's own network which it hasn't shown any inclination to do. Beyond BYU it is a stretch to find another fit. Raiding the ACC is not as easy as it seems since they locked up their schools with the last tv agreement, remember the ACC keeps the tv revenue for schools that leave for several years. Cincinnati, Col St, UCF, etc. Do not draw that well (UCFis probably the best bet). this could be nothing more than BYU blowing it's own horn.

 

[RUfinal4]

BYU is the only school that makes financial sense for the Big 12. They will more than cover the shortage from an eastern school for the networks.

For this to happen:
- B12 will have to allow BYU no Sunday games
- BYU will have to agree to give up some live sports programming on its own network.

As for a partner Cincy makes sense but they may be giving up too much money in prior AAC exit fees if they leave now. UCF may be the best choice. If there is a push to go to 14 then you may get BYU, UCF, Col St, and Cincy.

 

[RUtah]

IMO, Cincy, UConn, WV will end up in the ACC when the realignment dust settles in 7-8 years.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Originally posted by RUtah:
BYU has a monster following and I know from living out here (no, I'm not one of 'them') that the Mormon church is growing like crazy in Texas. They can afford to force the Big 12 to ask them to come, not the other way around. They will get in without conceding on network or Sunday games, probably along with Colorado State which I've said all along. Adding a Cincy and Memphis would just make the B12 look like a CUSA 2.0 or the Big East when they were talking about Boise and SDSU.

It would leave WVU on an island though. I think ultimately the SEC (and maybe the B1G) poaches from the ACC and WVU ends up there.

Them having all this money is the EXACT opposite of what the A.D. is quoted as saying.... and how BYU wouldn't be able to keep up with P-5 schools because of the playoff money they are missing out on.

If they want in with the Big 12, they are not going to dictate the terms to the conference. It just won't happen.

Big 12 doesn't need to add them.

But they NEED to be added to a P-5 school.

 

[BeantownKnight]

Just when you thought all of this re-alignment talk was over ...

You do not make decisions which would carry an impact of tens of millions of dollars, per year (hundreds of millions over the life of a tv contract) based upon how your conference performed in any one particular season. It would be entirely irresponsible for the Big 12's lawyers to allow the commissioners or member schools to vote to allow the inclusion of schools that would not have a long-term positive impact on the conference's bottom line because in the first year of the college football playoff, your two best teams managed to get left out due to the vote of a selection committee.

BYU's coaches, AD's, even president can spout off whatever they want. The Big 12, or any other conference for that matter, isn't going to necessarily do anything until after they run the numbers and determine that that decision is the most profitable one they can make. Obviously, if the conference were to vote to include BYU, they would have to reach out to a partner school to join as well. But - UCF, Cincy, or UConn? Please see the paragraph above.

 

[cliffbuck]

When has college football been played on Sunday? Would think that is a very insignificant issue.

 

[TheRacRU]

Originally posted by cliffbuck:
When has college football been played on Sunday? Would think that is a very insignificant issue.

What about all the other sports?

 

[hiwater]

Originally posted by sherrane:

Originally posted by Leonard23:
BYU threw away their chance last time by demanding no Sunday games & keeping their own network for games. They'll probably have to budge on 1 or both if they want any chance.

Posted from Rivals Mobile

Keeping one live game on their network was an issue, you know, like Texas does with the Longhorn Network? BYU isn't demanding NO Sunday games as I understand it, they want the league to limit the number of Sunday games and to avoid them when possible. The biggest issue with BYU is the age of their players, although few schools and conferences are willing to admit that. The two year Mormon mission exception means that BYU plays 21 and 22-year old freshmen. Every redshirt freshman playing for BYU is draft eligible for the NFL (redshirt their first year, take a 2-year Mormon mission, then play as a freshman in their 4th year out of high school). A BYU redshirt freshman is the same age as a redshirt junior or true senior at Rutgers.

BYU was not offered by the Big 12 because Texas didn't want a championship game. The reason it may happen in the near future is because the conference was the one excluded from the playoff last season. I am fairly confident they will invite BYU and Cincinnati next year if they are on the outside (of the playoff) looking in again this season and the NCAA rejects the ACC's petition to deregulate the conference championship game*, which the Big 12 joined. Playing 12 games instead of 13 is a handicap. TCU and Baylor were 11-1 while Alabama, Oregon, and Ohio State were 12-1 and defeated a ranked team in their championship game, meaning the extra game was a difficult one instead of a finishing the season at 2-10 Iowa State.


* The ACC's petition, which was filed last year and hasn't been ruled on yet, asks the NCAA to deregulate the conference championship game. The ACC wants to match their two highest rated teams in the CCG instead of the winner of the Atlantic vs the winner of the Coastal. This opens the possibility of having a Florida State vs Clemson (both in the Atlantic) or a Virginia Tech vs Miami (both in the Coastal) championship game. The Big 12 joined this petition in order to allow a 10-team conference to hold a conference championship game, a petition the NCAA has rejected at least four times with the latest being the Big 12's petition in 2013.

The ACC has already tried this before. They also wanted to have a conference championship game when they had 11 teams. The NCAA shot them down then. Nothing has changed except that the OTHER P5 conferences (minus the B12) h ave expanded to play a conference championship game between divisions. They are apposed to this rule change. It disadvantages a couple of competitors

 

[BoroKnight]

Originally posted by mal359:

Originally posted by GoodOl'Rutgers:
PAC 12 should take BYU and (Nevada or Boisie or SD State) and be done with it at 14.

Nevada, SDSU, and especially Boise aren't academically up to PAC standards.

Not even close, but at least he didn't say UNLV.

Seriously, why "should" the Pac-12 do anything? They have a huge TV deal, they have neat six-team divisions, they own their markets ... why "should" they do anything?

 

[RU old timer]

With their fight in the Memphis game, they clearly have lost their purity, so I'm sure they will be fine in a conference that includes such programs with clean histories like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

 

[RU old timer]

With their fight in the Memphis game, they clearly have lost their purity, so I'm sure they will be fine in a conference that includes such programs with clean histories like Oklahoma and Oklahoma State.

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Population of Utah is 2.9 million and shared with Pac-12 school Utah.

Each new school will have to bring in $20 million each or the other schools will face a decrease in revenue.

I'm sure Texas will be interested in lowering their financial income.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

This post was edited on 2/27 8:28 AM by Panthergrowl13

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by RUtah:
BYU's policies on same sex relationships will come under fire if they join a P5, no doubt...

That hasn't hurt Baylor or even Texas A&M.

http://www.chron.com/news/education/article/Baylor-A-M-land-on-least-LGBT-friendly-school-5684042.php

 

[RUfinal4]

Originally posted by Panthergrowl13:
Population of Utah is 2.9 million and shared with Pac-12 school Utah.

Each new school will have to bring in $20 million each or the other schools will face a decrease in revenue.

I'm sure Texas will be interested in lowering their financial income.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!

This post was edited on 2/27 8:28 AM by Panthergrowl13

BYU is not about Utah only but nationwide. When looking at Notre Dame do you just look at Catholics in Indiana?

I am not sure if the 6 million plus in church membership is individuals or families. If families then you have around 6 million BYU fans nationwide that will tune in to their games.




Mormon population in the US

 

[Panthergrowl13]

Sure but BYU is not ND.

Catholic population in the US is 78.2 million.

I'm sure not all Catholics are ND fans just as not all Mormons are BYU fans.

Point remains, if you bring in 2 new schools to the Big 12 they need to renegotiate their contract to get an additional $40 million plus or the other schools lose financially.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!



This post was edited on 2/27 9:15 AM by Panthergrowl13

This post was edited on 2/27 9:16 AM by Panthergrowl13

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by Panthergrowl13:
Sure but BYU is not ND.

Catholic population in the US is 78.2 million.

I'm sure not all Catholics are ND fans just as not all Mormons are BYU fans.

Point remains, if you bring in 2 new schools to the Big 12 they need to renegotiate their contract to get an additional $40 million plus or the other schools lose financially.

HAIL TO PITT!!!!



This post was edited on 2/27 9:15 AM by Panthergrowl13

This post was edited on 2/27 9:16 AM by Panthergrowl13

The championship game would be about half of that I think. The other half would be harder to come by - but ESPN/Fox would likely love to extend the contract (which usually comes with the territory of redoing the contract), and the GOR (which I think would be a condition of redoing the contract) for a measly $20 million extra a year.

The issue for the BIg 12 probably isnt that. Its do you settle for CUSA level schools now, or hold out for the ACC schools in a decade or so (if you can sway them at all, which obviously isnt a given.)

 

[RUtah]

Originally posted by Knight_Light:

Originally posted by RUtah:
BYU's policies on same sex relationships will come under fire if they join a P5, no doubt...

That hasn't hurt Baylor or even Texas A&M.

http://www.chron.com/news/education/article/Baylor-A-M-land-on-least-LGBT-friendly-school-5684042.php

I know some of Baylor's policies changed after Griner, and Google informs me that A&M has a center for gay students. BYU stops just shy of banning homosexuality. A same sex couple holding hands is considered an honor code violation.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Right now....BYU wants the big12 more than the big12 wants to expand...and wants to expend with BYU

BYU value is much higher in Pac-12 with national distribution of the Pac-12 network...but the Pac-12 will NOT take in BYU. Period.

BYU does not bring enough incremental revenue paired with any other school to keep the Big-12 payout per team equal to current amount

Aint happening for now

 

[topdecktiger]

Originally posted by derleider:


The championship game would be about half of that I think. The other half would be harder to come by - but ESPN/Fox would likely love to extend the contract (which usually comes with the territory of redoing the contract), and the GOR (which I think would be a condition of redoing the contract) for a measly $20 million extra a year.

The issue for the BIg 12 probably isnt that. Its do you settle for CUSA level schools now, or hold out for the ACC schools in a decade or so (if you can sway them at all, which obviously isnt a given.)


The Championship games don't really bring in all that much money. That said, the Big 12 is in a different situation. Their contract is already capped, regardless of which teams they bring in.

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by topdecktiger:

Originally posted by derleider:


The championship game would be about half of that I think. The other half would be harder to come by - but ESPN/Fox would likely love to extend the contract (which usually comes with the territory of redoing the contract), and the GOR (which I think would be a condition of redoing the contract) for a measly $20 million extra a year.

The issue for the BIg 12 probably isnt that. Its do you settle for CUSA level schools now, or hold out for the ACC schools in a decade or so (if you can sway them at all, which obviously isnt a given.)


The Championship games don't really bring in all that much money. That said, the Big 12 is in a different situation. Their contract is already capped, regardless of which teams they bring in.

The Big Ten supposedly got that much back in 2010 on a per year basis for its championship game. The Big 12 wouldnt be AS lucrative, but it would still be up there and its a few years later.

What do you mean capped. Capped by whom? The very networks that I am talking about redoing the contract (because they could get add on years at a relatively low rate). Like I said - Im sure ESPN/Fox wouldnt have a huge issue spending an extra $20 million a year if it meant they keep the Big 12 in the fold for another five years longer than the current contract.