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S_Janowski

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Pikiell in year one had concrete plans on the new facility. You guys gotta stop pretending like pike worked a miracle and did it with nothing lol

Georgetown today is a way better job than Rutgers when Pikiell took over.

We get it - you don’t like Pikiell.

Really wish you devoted more of this energy over on the football board because your basketball takes are mostly horrid.
 

cRURah

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it’s apples and oranges to make
comparisons of the programs at
Rutgers, Princeton, St. Peter’s and FDU. the irony of the 3 small time NJ programs that are operating without NIL, football $, million dollar coaches or 5* recruits, accomplishing more than RU could ever dream in the tournament, cannot be lost.
 

scarletnewyorker2006

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Its just not that hard to get from bad to bubble when youre in a p6
1. Pike didn’t just get us to bubble. That statement doesn’t encapsulate his accomplishments, it minimizes them.

He got us in the dance 3 straight years and it took being the national snub of the year to keep him out, and even that required several injuries and a historically bad ref call that the Big Ten acknowledged as wrong.

2. If it’s not that hard, why couldn’t any coach in 30 years do it?

Gary Waters was not a good coach, he was an excellent coach. Just a crap recruiter. He failed here. Hill was an exceptionally strong recruiter that couldn’t (or wouldn’t?) coach to save his life. For 30 years everyone failed here in every different flavor. And yet your claim is that it’s not that hard. You need to explain why it’s not hard here and yet no one for 3 decades could do it.

How is it that a sun never shined on the dog’s *** in 30 years here?
 
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy

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Georgetown today is a way better job than Rutgers when Pikiell took over.

We get it - you don’t like Pikiell.

Really wish you devoted more of this energy over on the football board because your basketball takes are mostly horrid.
Georgetown is coming off back to back seasons of
6-25
7-25
And the new coach will be taking over a roster left with zero players pretty much. To argue which program was in a worse spot is a fools errand as both were not/are not in great spots. Make no mistake the gtown rebuild this new coach is undertaking is no different than RU’s. However the gtown coach has less $ to work, no nil and no facility to sell.

So I ask again, would it be surprising if gtown is on the bubble by 2027? No it wouldnt. Because its not that hard to go from zero to bubble. Its quite hard to go from good to great tho
 
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy

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1. Pike didn’t just get us to bubble. That statement doesn’t encapsulate his accomplishments, it minimizes them.

He got us in the dance 3 straight years and it took being the national snub of the year to keep him out, and even that required several injuries and a historically bad ref call that the Big Ten acknowledged as wrong.

2. If it’s not that hard, why couldn’t any coach in 30 years do it?

Gary Waters was not a good coach, he was an excellent coach. Just a crap recruiter. He failed here. Hill was an exceptionally strong recruiter that couldn’t (or wouldn’t?) coach to save his daughter’s virginity. For 30 years everyone failed here in every different flavor. And yet your claim is that it’s not that hard. You need to explain why it’s not hard here and yet no one for 3 decades could do it.

How is it that a sun never shined on the dog’s *** in 30 years here?
Its fairly simple why it didnt happen. $$ and an incompetent adminstration. That all changed when hobbs got hired and dump time money and resources into bball (his first love) like weve never seen before.
 

scarletnewyorker2006

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Its fairly simple why it didnt happen. $$ and an incompetent adminstration. That all changed when hobbs got hired and dump time money and resources into bball (his first love) like weve never seen before.
Agree to disagree my friend.

Your explanation explains why we couldn’t be a perennial 10-win B1G team, as Pike has achieved (10 B1G wins = bubble team). That’s not what I asked you.

Your answer doesn’t explain why the sun never shined on a dog’s *** (ie make the dance once in 30 years). Even stupidity & incompetence finds a way in once every 3 decades and we didn’t until Pike.

I don’t think you appreciate how much Pike had to overachieve to get us to a point where fans can regard such bubbliness as merely pedestrian. He’s a great coach (not just good), and apparently turning into a recruiting god.
 

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One thing about the tournament is you must have great guard play and that also includes a three that needs to be able to score. Purduesimply could not stay in front of the FDU guards plus the got Eady far enough out and he couldn’t get back to rim protect. Doesn’t happen in the big
 

S_Janowski

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Georgetown is coming off back to back seasons of
6-25
7-25
And the new coach will be taking over a roster left with zero players pretty much. To argue which program was in a worse spot is a fools errand as both were not/are not in great spots. Make no mistake the gtown rebuild this new coach is undertaking is no different than RU’s. However the gtown coach has less $ to work, no nil and no facility to sell.

So I ask again, would it be surprising if gtown is on the bubble by 2027? No it wouldnt. Because its not that hard to go from zero to bubble. Its quite hard to go from good to great tho

Except you wanted to compare the Rutgers basketball job 7-8 years ago vs. the Georgetown right now.

- Rutgers was arguably the worst D1 program in all of college basketball 7-8 years ago.
- There was no practice facility 7-8 years ago for Rutgers.
- There was no NIL 7-8 years ago for Rutgers.
- There wasn’t much of a transfer portal 7-8 years ago (like today)
- Rutgers was a laughing stock in college basketball for 30 + years with multiple failed coaches and scandals/drama. It was where coaches go to die.

The Georgetown undertaking is way different and easier than Rutgers 7-8 years ago (NoTiCe ThE bOlD).

Georgetown is a storied program and basketball comes first for their administration, alumni and students.

You bring up NIL which is hilarious because it’s actually helping to support how wrong you are…NIL didn’t exist for Rutgers 7-8 years ago!

Georgetown can use NIL and the transfer portal to quickly rebuild. Pikiell didn’t have those luxuries when he took over.

He took over a complete dog$hit program and completely turned it around with 2/3 stars…something many coaches couldn’t do here (and before any practice facility or major resources were given to him).
 
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DHajekRC84

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Dude i suffered through the 90s 00s 10s

You truly have no idea how bad it was here

Your examples make zero sense sense at all. Wenzel won but then went south quickly. Bannon did nothing. Waters had was up and down and never made the ncaa. Hill was garbage. Rice struggled even before the scandal. Jordan a disaster. Program lowest in the country. Pike miracle worker. The last 4 seaeson consistently there
Not to mention doing it playing 20 games in the B1G.
 

ru66

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Eh, I like Jerry’s writing and he is versatile beyond sports, but he always takes a dig at football because he blames it for the demise of the old BE. He has written columns about it and makes no apologies for it. No big deal and I don’t think these teams having their moments in the sun is some sweeping indictment of Rutgers Athletics as some (one) of our “fans” seem to think.
This FDU win only proves what we knew already knew , anything can happen in a sports competition. It proves nothing. We all know the best team didn't win. Give FDU credit but like Furman sadly they will get blown out soon. That's why this tournament doesn't prove anything about who's the best in the USA. It's just great entertainment.
 

RUPete

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This FDU win only proves what we knew already knew , anything can happen in a sports competition. It proves nothing. We all know the best team didn't win. Give FDU credit but like Furman sadly they will get blown out soon. That's why this tournament doesn't prove anything about who's the best in the USA. It's just great entertainment.
Agree. We executed a very similar game plan against them and had a chance to win but guys other than Edey were able to step enough so they won. Not so last night. You could see Edey’s support cast get tighter and tighter as the game wore on.
 

mugrat86

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He ain’t wrong and though this board refuses to admit it NJ pop is having a bit of a laugh at the landscape of NJ hoops. Same vibe in eastern PA but with a pinch of Penn St superiority complex.

The accomplishments of these teams really put RUs accomplishments or lack there of from a national perspective and not old Rutgers community low bar expectations perspective in view.
I find it absolutely amazing that anybody who cares about RU basketball would pile on such a negative comment. You are obviously not a real fan of the program
 

Nycrusupporter

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Its just not that hard to get from bad to bubble when youre in a p6

This offseason georgetown is hiring a guy for a big complete ground up rebuild. Do you think theyll go from bad to bubble within 4 years? That head man will have alot less at their disposal than RU too keep in mind
Georgetown has wealthy alumni who rabidly support the program. As long as they hire the right coach they will be competitive again.
 

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Georgetown is coming off back to back seasons of
6-25
7-25
And the new coach will be taking over a roster left with zero players pretty much. To argue which program was in a worse spot is a fools errand as both were not/are not in great spots. Make no mistake the gtown rebuild this new coach is undertaking is no different than RU’s. However the gtown coach has less $ to work, no nil and no facility to sell.

So I ask again, would it be surprising if gtown is on the bubble by 2027? No it wouldnt. Because its not that hard to go from zero to bubble. Its quite hard to go from good to great tho
Georgetown’s recent problems have nothing to do with resources. They unfortunately made a bad hire, bringing in Ewing, who was a great alumni, great basketball player, nice guy, but a completely inadequate head basketball head coach. Georgetown has no shortage of money for basketball and they have great alumni support. And the money angle in basketball is completely overrated. If you have a great coach, a handful very good players and a ball, you can beat anyone. I am not a Pitino fan, but if he ends up at St. John’s, they will be a contender, even though unlike Georgetown don’t have access to money.
 
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy

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Except you wanted to compare the Rutgers basketball job 7-8 years ago vs. the Georgetown right now.

- Rutgers was arguably the worst D1 program in all of college basketball 7-8 years ago.
- There was no practice facility 7-8 years ago for Rutgers.
- There was no NIL 7-8 years ago for Rutgers.
- There wasn’t much of a transfer portal 7-8 years ago (like today)
- Rutgers was a laughing stock in college basketball for 30 + years with multiple failed coaches and scandals/drama. It was where coaches go to die.

The Georgetown undertaking is way different and easier than Rutgers 7-8 years ago (NoTiCe ThE bOlD).

Georgetown is a storied program and basketball comes first for their administration, alumni and students.

You bring up NIL which is hilarious because it’s actually helping to support how wrong you are…NIL didn’t exist for Rutgers 7-8 years ago!

Georgetown can use NIL and the transfer portal to quickly rebuild. Pikiell didn’t have those luxuries when he took over.

He took over a complete dog$hit program and completely turned it around with 2/3 stars…something many coaches couldn’t do here (and before any practice facility or major resources were given to him).
I dont think you realize how much nil is helping rutgers and hurting programs like gtown. You think pike recruited ace Bailey here and not $? LOL. Rutgers bball has GREATLY benefitted from NIL
 
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy

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Kyk you are trending towards @rutgersal level of ridiculousness with your hoops takes. You’re not like that IRL I can’t figure out if you’ve gotten that good at trolling or just lost it on the boards
Peter, youre kinda clueless here. Respectfully.
 

Nycrusupporter

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I dont think you realize how much nil is helping rutgers and hurting programs like gtown. You think pike recruited ace Bailey here and not $? LOL. Rutgers bball has GREATLY benefitted from NIL
Patrick Ewing had no problem getting very good players to come to Georgetown, he just couldn’t do anything them, he is a lousy head coach. Georgetown could easily outraise us for NIL with their highly supportive and wealthy alumni base.
 

S_Janowski

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I dont think you realize how much nil is helping rutgers and hurting programs like gtown. You think pike recruited ace Bailey here and not $? LOL. Rutgers bball has GREATLY benefitted from NIL

We are comparing the Rutgers job 7 years ago to the Georgetown job today, remember.

NIL wasn’t here 7 years ago.

Wtf are you talking about?!

Or is this you moving the goalposts to a completely different field?
 

biazza38

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We are comparing the Rutgers job 7 years ago to the Georgetown job today, remember.

NIL wasn’t here 7 years ago.

Wtf are you talking about?!

Or is this you moving the goalposts to a completely different field?
He’s stubborn.
He can’t concede a point to anyone.
It doesn’t matter how many logical things you say. He can’t say “I agree with you on x, but disagree with y.” It’s bonkers
 

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I dont think you realize how much nil is helping rutgers and hurting programs like gtown. You think pike recruited ace Bailey here and not $? LOL. Rutgers bball has GREATLY benefitted from NIL
are you basing this off anything other than what Richie's said on the premium board?
 
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bethlehemfan

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You have been downplaying what Pike has done here, every single year for a while now. If it was so easy, we would not have had a 30 year NCAA drought and a putrid basketball history. You don't have a level head about any of our programs though. Loads of passion though which I love.
He’s not a rutgers basketball fan
 
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anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy

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You have been downplaying what Pike has done here, every single year for a while now. If it was so easy, we would not have had a 30 year NCAA drought and a putrid basketball history. You don't have a level head about any of our programs though. Loads of passion though which I love.
Very level head imo. Predicted 4-8 in football and 16-15 in bball. Nailed football was 2 games off in bball