CI Wrestling Thread #56

Col. Angus

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Can’t create their own stars?
Hogan
Warrior
Savage
Andre
Hbk
Bret
Orton
Cena
Brock
Bautista
Daniel Bryan
Hhh
Roman
Bron Brekker
4 horsewomen
Iyo
Rhea
Punk 2 eras
Drew
Lashley
Maybe the biggest career WWE star with the most longevity and original creativity… The Undertaker.
 
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Bleacher Report released their list of the top-20 ranked AEW/WWE wrestlers in their 20s:

1. Rhea Ripley
2. Dominik Mysterio
3. Kyle Fletcher
4. MJF
5. Bron Breakker
6. Oba Femi
7. Jordynne Grace
8. Roxanne Perez
9. Jack Perry
10. Tiffany Stratton
11. Hijo del Vikingo
12. Je’Von Evans
13. Blake Monroe
14. Daniel Garcia
15. Wheeler Yuta
16. Jacy Jayne
17. Tatum Paxley
18. Austin Theory
19. Kevin Knight
20. HOOK
I don't have much to argue about with this list, as it reflects where they stand at this very moment in time. I'm only disappointed that MJF and Austin Theory are (rightly) in the positions they are now instead of the top of the list, as they would have been a couple years back. They both have fallen despite boundless potential. Hope they find their way back up the ladder.
 
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Nightwish

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Looks like Bethel was so bothered by a few fans saying TK fumbled that this is an actual tweet he sent out (as all four are holding gold). Think this guy has an agenda?

 
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Glenn's Take

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A lot better? Yeah, that's false. Vince played favorites, pushed the old guard until their wheels were falling off, loved Saudi money, would rewrite shows hours before they went to air, would stop storylines on a dime, and a lot of what he came up with the last several years was bad and didn't make sense. He also had Dunn by his side and both refused to embrace new ways to shoot and light the show. Oh, and Vince supported and approved the sell to TKO. He was always going to sell to the highest bidder. He also destroyed NXT (Michaels brought it back up) and sent wrestlers fans loved running scared to a new promotion in Jax.

Triple H has flaws for sure but I never want to go back to what Vince was doing around and after covid. Not to mention many in the locker room have said since things were awkward and they walked on eggshells because they'd be told a plan and at 6:00pm on a Monday night, like I said, the script would be ripped up. You can't produce good tv like that and it wasn't good.
In my defense, I did say Vince was a lousy human being. He may have sold to the highest bidder but they are the ones that have doubled prices since the sale. And lastly, I wrote that as the Ilya Dragovic-Nathan Frazer came out of it's second commercial break. I'm not that interested in random matches that go on longer than a sit com.
 

Laparkafan

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In my defense, I did say Vince was a lousy human being. He may have sold to the highest bidder but they are the ones that have doubled prices since the sale. And lastly, I wrote that as the Ilya Dragovic-Nathan Frazer came out of it's second commercial break. I'm not that interested in random matches that go on longer than a sit com.
To be fair smack down is absolutely garbage and that was the only worthwhile match on there. The US title is the only interesting item week in and week out on there.
 
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American Dragon

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I asked as a sarcastic joke on the Fightful Discord if WWE will start using AI to fill in the empty seats on TV shots. SRS clearly took it as a serious question and actually said he thinks they will.
 

American Dragon

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To be fair smack down is absolutely garbage and that was the only worthwhile match on there. The US title is the only interesting item week in and week out on there.
I don't get why they don't do the same thing with Giulia. She won the women's US title over four months ago and they've seemingly done basically nothing with her ever since. Is she doing a bunch of character/promo work, which is not remotely close to her strong suit, and that's just not making it to the highlights that get posted to the socials I follow?

Otherwise, I don't get this WWE strategy of putting belts on people then using them less and effectively cooling them off. If you aren't going to regularly feature a title and properly book a division for it then get rid of it and stop wasting what little time you dedicate to it and refocus it on the stuff you do want to focus on. Same with some of these AEW/ROH titles like the Trios belts.
 
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GeraldV

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I thought Guilia was going to be bigger in WWE than Vaquer. But man, they gave her a belt and literally just parked her for some reason.

To me Cody has the same problem now that he had in AEW. Crowd is tired of his current shtick and he desperately needs to turn heel.

and while I’m talking about WWE, it is past time to give Drew another run with one of the big two belts.
 

Laparkafan

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I don't get why they don't do the same thing with Giulia. She won the women's US title over four months ago and they've seemingly done basically nothing with her ever since. Is she doing a bunch of character/promo work, which is not remotely close to her strong suit, and that's just not making it to the highlights that get posted to the socials I follow?

Otherwise, I don't get this WWE strategy of putting belts on people then using them less and effectively cooling them off. If you aren't going to regularly feature a title and properly book a division for it then get rid of it and stop wasting what little time you dedicate to it and refocus it on the stuff you do want to focus on. Same with some of these AEW/ROH titles like the Trios belts.
It’s b/c all the women are on raw.
The only women on sd are michin/bfab/chsrlotte/alexa/nia/jade/tiffy/chelsea

at least the men have more mid carders so you can have more opportunities to defend it
 

American Dragon

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I don't have much to argue about with this list, as it reflects where they stand at this very moment in time. I'm only disappointed that MJF and Austin Theory are (rightly) in the positions they are now instead of the top of the list, as they would have been a couple years back. They both have fallen despite boundless potential. Hope they find their way back up the ladder.
Austin Theory’s downfall needs to be studied. He looked like he had next until Triple H took over. Triple H would rather play with all his shiny new toys in ex-AEW guys though.

I don’t know if he will do it, but if he gets to have the choice (meaning not cut), he should leave WWE when his contract expires.

I don’t know if AEW would have any interest, and lord I sure hope not because I don’t like him, but he wouldn’t have any problem finding work elsewhere and he’d obviously be pushed pretty heavily no matter where he goes.

But watch it happen, WWE will start pushing him when it comes to contract negotiation season so they can say they have big plans for him, that will be enough to convince him to re-sign, then they’ll start cooling him off once all the paperwork is official.
 

American Dragon

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I thought Guilia was going to be bigger in WWE than Vaquer. But man, they gave her a belt and literally just parked her for some reason.

To me Cody has the same problem now that he had in AEW. Crowd is tired of his current shtick and he desperately needs to turn heel.

and while I’m talking about WWE, it is past time to give Drew another run with one of the big two belts.
WWE really just struggles to do anything with anyone who can wrestle but can’t do the character work and promos. There are obviously always exceptions, but that’s generally the case.
 
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American Dragon

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I thought Guilia was going to be bigger in WWE than Vaquer. But man, they gave her a belt and literally just parked her for some reason.

To me Cody has the same problem now that he had in AEW. Crowd is tired of his current shtick and he desperately needs to turn heel.

and while I’m talking about WWE, it is past time to give Drew another run with one of the big two belts.
Remember when Cody tried to claim he actually did turn heel in AEW but it was too nuanced or meta or some BS like that?

If no one thinks you’re a heel then you aren’t a heel!
 

Nightwish

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Guilia's issue first and foremost is her music. A crowd won't get hyped if your theme begins with a dreamy lalala or whatever. Then she walks out with this mask covering half her face. It doesn't work. She's a hard hitting, striking badass. They need to let that come out. I'm not saying give her Ken Shamrock's theme but if they did, fans would take notice. She also needs a "thing" that connects her to fans, even as a heel. Every successful wrestler in WWE has that. WWE fans don't get off on workrate or what you did in Japan.

Cody has gotten a few boos by smart fans but overall, live crowds around the world don't seem sick of him at all. My only issue is when WWE finds their guy, they put a death grip on him and keep him in the top spot. There's two world titles though and a new year is coming. I think guys like Bron and Drew get their time next year.