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rutgersguy1_rivals

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derleider said:
Its going to be a hot coaching market - those guys are going to get in while the cash is flowing.
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Maybe but with Miles 62 and then both him and Richt going through the grind of the SEC, taking a year off seems as likely to me. Also depends on what's in their contracts and it's not like they won't be collecting nice checks while doing tv or something.
 
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NBKnight

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I doubt Julie would be able to do this on the down low but maybe she should have unofficial conversations with representatives for Chip Kelly, Greg Schiano, Rob Ryan, or anyone else on the so called dream list to see if they would be interested in Rutgers and would kind of money they would look for if interested. This way Julie can make an informed decision on Flood based on who the replacement potentially can be and the finances behind it.

The worst thing to do would be to fire Flood without knowledge of the potential replacements and their costs. This may lead to firing Flood and eating $1.4 mil in his buyout only to have to pay $3 mil for a proven coach or $1.5 mil for a coordinator but not the top 2-3 available coordinators but more of a top 8 to 10 available coordinator.


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I am sure she already has reached out to realistic candidates, which would not include Chip Kelly or Rob Ryan. Chip would not end up at RU and Ryan is not going to be coaching at any college next year.
 
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Just thinking outside the box.

This program is back in the Shea era and the arms race is 10 times greater. It is going to take GS times two to dig out of it - And we don't have the money to start.

Maybe begging GS to come back for $2mm is the road to go. On your knees type begging. At least the recruiting can believe the future have promise, unlike now.
 
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MozRU said:
Just thinking outside the box.

This program is back in the Shea era and the arms race is 10 times greater. It is going to take GS times two to dig out of it - And we don't have the money to start.

Maybe begging GS to come back for $2mm is the road to go. On your knees type begging. At least the recruiting can believe the future have promise, unlike now.
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No - we arent back in the Shea era. Not on the field or off it. Get a grip.
 
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I think one of the questions is what type of year do people think is an ordinary year for Flood?

Is he closer to the 8-5 record of 2014 or the 5-7 or 4-8 of this year? In 2012, he had a incredible team yet stumbled quite a bit imo. A team that should have won 10-11 games won 9 with a few chances to win the conference outright. 2013 had a few disastrous losses. 2014 had a couple as well, but finished with a good record. 2015 had disastrous losses without the good record.

Was 2014 more because of the team (led by a senior QB) or was it because of Fridge at OC?

Is 2015 more because of the necessity to play younger players or because of inexperienced coordinators?
 
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derleider

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lighty said:
I think one of the questions is what type of year do people think is an ordinary year for Flood?

Is he closer to the 8-5 record of 2014 or the 5-7 or 4-8 of this year? In 2012, he had a incredible team yet stumbled quite a bit imo. A team that should have won 10-11 games won 9 with a few chances to win the conference outright. 2013 had a few disastrous losses. 2014 had a couple as well, but finished with a good record. 2015 had disastrous losses without the good record.

Was 2014 more because of the team (led by a senior QB) or was it because of Fridge at OC?

Is 2015 more because of the necessity to play younger players or because of inexperienced coordinators?
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The problem is - the good years arent that good. Top 50ish. So if the ordinary year is 2012 - well thats probably good for 5th place in the Big Ten East going forward and edging into a bowl. Thats the good years. That shouldnt be acceptable. We need a coach who's good years are top 25 seasons.
 
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Maybe we can create a Frankenstein coach. Moglia HC, spread guru Bob Stitt OC, DC (any one of the Defensive guru / failed head coach retreads or even Bo Pelini since him and Moglia have a working relationship). Stitt gets his chance to coach up some B10 recruits and becomes HC in waiting.
 
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Chip Kelly ?? Really?? You lost me there. Joe Moglia? Regardless of whether he's a good coach, he's 66!!! He'll be 71 coaching his first recruiting class of 5th year seniors! How is he going to recruit?

How's this for a weird idea: Schiano with Fleck as his OC? Greg's gotta have a lot of respect for him, maybe enough to hand over the offensive reins. Fleck's gotta like Schiano, has been mention for our HC vacancy and very well may like it here. Success can mean one of two things: schiano moves up and out in a couple of years (Fleck steps in); Fleck gets offered big time P5 HC job;
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1. Fleck won't take a OC job at Rutgers
2. We need a better OC than Fleck
 
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I'm afraid of what happens if we give him another year. It's not JUST the record, the lack of discipline, the pig headedness with regards to player accountability; it is all of those things.

The fact that he continues to do the same thing when it isn't working is a major flaw of any coach. Teams have loaded the box, limiting the run and challenging us to go over the top, and he chooses to keep running the ball. When other teams are bigger (usually) and much deeper than us, what the hell makes him think that what didn't work in the first half will work better later in the game. It's like he thinks we'll wear down our opponent, when the game is being dictated BY our opponent.

If we keep him, because its cheap, I want the administration to publish the cost associated with the cancelled season tickets and other relevant revenues. I'm sure they won't, but this buyout MIGHT JUST BE THE CHEAPEST WAY OUT!!
 
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MozRU

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derleider said:
No - we arent back in the Shea era. Not on the field or off it. Get a grip.
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What have you been watching the last 3 years? The numbers of blowouts is astounding. The AAC blowouts were appalling.
 
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MoobyCow

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lighty said:
It sure is feeling like the Shea years...
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Massey
Composite Year
99 1996
111 1997
79 1998
106 1999
94 2000
106 2001
112 2002
73 2003
84 2004
51 2005
17 2006
39 2007
36 2008
38 2009
88 2010
35 2011
47 2012
88 2013
48 2014
90 2015

It's getting pretty close.
 
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When it comes to the issue of FIRING FLOOD, I think Henry Rollins put it best:

Don't think about it - do it
Don't talk about it - do it
Do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Do it, do it
Talk about your sick man, so good you got to do it, do it
D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Why give a **** about it, man - do it, do it
There's a law, but who cares - do it, do it
Don't rip me off, man, just do it, do it, do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't talk about it- do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it, do it
Don't cover it with a lie, man - do it , do it
Just do it, just do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it

Read more: Henry Rollins - Do It Lyrics | MetroLyrics
 
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If we wait until next year we are probably competing against Penn State for a coach.
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I think RU fans are more down on Franklin than many PSU fans. Next year (without Hack) will be a good test for the team. But people around here really downplay the affect of the sanctions imo. Each year they get farther away from them. I think they are going to be better as they do.
 
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Scarlet_Scourge said:
When it comes to the issue of FIRING FLOOD, I think Henry Rollins put it best:

Don't think about it - do it
Don't talk about it - do it
Do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Do it, do it
Talk about your sick man, so good you got to do it, do it
D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Why give a **** about it, man - do it, do it
There's a law, but who cares - do it, do it
Don't rip me off, man, just do it, do it, do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't talk about it- do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it, do it
Don't cover it with a lie, man - do it , do it
Just do it, just do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it

Read more: Henry Rollins - Do It Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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While I like your selection, Do It was a Pink Fairies tune that the Rollins Band sort of made their own.
Henry will be doing his spoken word show at the new House of Independents in Asbury Park in December.
Did not think there were other Rollins Band fans on this site. Was just talking about Rollins Band this morning with a co-worker.
 
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S.B. Crumb

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If you keep Flood, you are 100% dooming the program to: Another year of poor recruiting, another losing year, and Nebraska/MD type crowds all season. All to try and time the market? The admin will by crying poor next year also, maybe even more so due to decreased attendance/donations/parking/concessions.
 
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Knight Shift

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Scarlet_Scourge said:
When it comes to the issue of FIRING FLOOD, I think Henry Rollins put it best:

Don't think about it - do it
Don't talk about it - do it
Do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Do it, do it
Talk about your sick man, so good you got to do it, do it
D-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it
Why give a **** about it, man - do it, do it
There's a law, but who cares - do it, do it
Don't rip me off, man, just do it, do it, do it, do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it
Don't talk about it- do it, do it
Don't lie about it - do it, do it
Don't cover it with a lie, man - do it , do it
Just do it, just do it
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it

Read more: Henry Rollins - Do It Lyrics | MetroLyrics
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Rage Against the Machine's "Settle for Nothing":

If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
Settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later
If we don't take action now
We settle for nothing later
We'll settle for nothing now
And we'll settle for nothing later
 
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The possibility of Moglia is intriguing. Yes, it has unsettling / unknown aspects - age? system match? culture match?
But the guy is a genuine visionary - he is not going to sit there and do the same uncreative thing over & over - the guy is hardwired to find ways to beat his competition.
Plus - if he is looking for an ultimate 'capstone project' for his football career - well here it is - take the helm of a B1G team and use every intangible resource you have to turn it into a resounding winner - and you become legendary. Add to the consideration that no other potential opportunity is as well positioned for him, is as much of a spot-on match to his unique set of 'intangible resources' - - and is the only big-time opportunity in the greater NYC area.
Sure - could be a bust - could be Gerry Faust ... but kinda doubt it -
 
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lighty said:
I think RU fans are more down on Franklin than many PSU fans. Next year (without Hack) will be a good test for the team. But people around here really downplay the affect of the sanctions imo. Each year they get farther away from them. I think they are going to be better as they do.
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The PSU fans aren't happy. 50% of them question Franklin and come to the realization they may be the fourth best team in the Big Ten East. They don't know if he capable of beating Harbough, Meyer and Dantonio other than occasionally. They will do something in 2-3 years if no changes.
 
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at least one more here and I actually have this cd in my truck right now lol.

Knight Shift said:
While I like your selection, Do It was a Pink Fairies tune that the Rollins Band sort of made their own.
Henry will be doing his spoken word show at the new House of Independents in Asbury Park in December.
Did not think there were other Rollins Band fans on this site. Was just talking about Rollins Band this morning with a co-worker.
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Waiting a year is such small time thinking. So we should let the program tank another year for what? Maybe cause there will be less openings next year? There is no guarantee for that, why gamble for a future that no one knows whats going to happen, hell there could be 30 coach openings next year.

Wait and see mentally of RU and its fan base is got what us into this mess. TP could have manned up and went for a big hire, he was worried about stupid BS like not pissing off the recruits, being adamant about keeping our staff here (who GS poached away anyway), getting a "Jersey Guy", getting a "good guy"..Only our admin has such horse **** requirements. We always just act to not loose, we need to act like we want to win.

Meanwhile schools like LSU, who do it right, is about to fire a 10 winning games a season coach. Even Houston doubled down on their coach.

I am not going say we are at the same level as LSU, or probably even houston as this point that would be insane, but for once can RU drop its "wait and see, play it safe" attitude and act like we want to win. We are in the friggin BIG10...
 
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As others have mentioned, there's no way to know what the coaching landscape will be next year in terms of job openings; there could be less, could be more, or it could roughly be the same. The only certainty is that, as always, there will be coaches getting canned during, and after, the 2016 season.

That being the case, waiting another year before Flood's shown the door serves little purpose, except, of course, to put the program even further down into the hole he's dug for it.

No. KF needs to be gone at the end of this season and gone as quickly as possible once it's over. -And hopefully, JH has been doing her due diligence behind the scenes so she has things set to roll immediately regarding a coaching search once the axe falls.
 
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There is no good argument for waiting a year to let Kyle Flood go if the decision has been made that he's not the right long-term coach for the program. He'll never have the full support of the administration, recruits will question the coaching situation and players will know (or at least sense) they're playing for a lame duck. (And that's not even getting into the fanbase or donors.)

Look, if JH and company think that Kyle Flood is still the right guy, then I think they're wrong but that's their prerogative. But if that is their stance, then they need to come out with a vote of confidence ASAP. I cannot imagine the decision on whether to retain Flood is predicated on beating a 2-9 Maryland team, so why wait? He's either your guy or he isn't.

If Flood isn't the guy, then your best bet is to try to get the best coach you can. If you have a real chance at a home-run hire, I'm sure Rutgers can scare up the money somehow. My guess, though, is that we don't, so then it's getting the best hot assistant or mid-major HC you can and hope for the best.
 
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MozRU said:
What have you been watching the last 3 years? The numbers of blowouts is astounding. The AAC blowouts were appalling.
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Yep. And I was watching in the Shea years too. Its not the same. When Schiano got here, we were losing to teams like Army on a regular basis. We were Kansas. And beyond that - we didnt have the fan base, the stadium, the branding, the conference, the bowls, 2006, or anything else - we had to build from basically a D1AA level on almost every front. We are no longer there. We are now a mid-level BCS team fighting through a bad hire - like MD or Virginia or a dozen other schools who fired their coach last year or this year or next year. We are no longer the team that you just can't even imagine how we dig out of the hole. It doesnt even take imagination now - its easy - hire a better coach. Fact is - for as bad as Flood is - we were a mid-level team LAST year. We never got close to that with Shea, or with Schiano in the first four years of his tenure. If Flood can do that, then basically anyone we hire can expect to be about the same.
 
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None of us have crystal ball and none of us will know who's on Ms. Herman's mind. Remember it's not a unilateral decision. She's given parameters by the search committee. She's given a budget by Barchi and the BOT. At the end of the day you could end up Norris Wilson or someone on par with his coaching ability. Rutgers hires coaches like a blind man in the maze.

1. Create a short list of coaches
2. Create a realistic budget (coaches-assistants-coordinators)
3. Present this to Barchi & BOT

If they give you the green light, make your move and hope for the best.
 
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Yep. And I was watching in the Shea years too. Its not the same. When Schiano got here, we were losing to teams like Army on a regular basis. We were Kansas. And beyond that - we didnt have the fan base, the stadium, the branding, the conference, the bowls, 2006, or anything else - we had to build from basically a D1AA level on almost every front. We are no longer there. We are now a mid-level BCS team fighting through a bad hire - like MD or Virginia or a dozen other schools who fired their coach last year or this year or next year. We are no longer the team that you just can't even imagine how we dig out of the hole. It doesnt even take imagination now - its easy - hire a better coach. Fact is - for as bad as Flood is - we were a mid-level team LAST year. We never got close to that with Shea, or with Schiano in the first four years of his tenure. If Flood can do that, then basically anyone we hire can expect to be about the same.
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Absolutely. I think people who were not really paying attention can't grasp how god awful we were during the Terry Shea era. Shea's teams weren't competitive at all against anyone other than Temple in the Big East. As bad as this year has been, we can at least argue that we'd be competitive with the bottom third of the conference, maybe even the bottom half. While I still think we're a bit of a teardown and rebuild, I can see a path where 2-3 years from now (with the right staff in place) we're in a significantly better position than we are right now.
 
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Not in any way, shape, or form, keeping this ****-show of the staff around another year, beneficial to us. NONE.
 
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...A big name...
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