If I'm not mistaken, he was asking and OK St paid him around $1.1 Million dollars. This was after 15 PPG last year on a very bad team. He's made 1-20 3PT FG, 5% Avg.! He's the 7th highest scorer on his team at 7.3. I as well as many others didn't like it when he left, but man was this addition by subtraction. Despite the 15 last year he shot FG at 38.9 and #'s at 29.5 last year. I for one am glad he didn't return and very glad for the team Sha built.
Coleman
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The feeling after last season was that Coleman would be a 3rd option on a decent, not exceptional team. When he asked for $1,5M I noted the response was a smirk. Many here were upset to hear that, but now in retrospect I assume we can all agree that Holloway made the correct decision.
Depends what we were willing to pay him. Everybody is worth a spot depending on price. 1.5 on a 6M budget isnt worth it for anybody.
1.5 million no way
If Payne got 700k, you can’t tell me Coleman’s not worth a million. And yes I understand bigs get more $
Idc what anyone says, he’s better than Parker, Williams, & Fisher combined. Holloway makes that trade today, if he could.
If Payne got 700k, you can’t tell me Coleman’s not worth a million. And yes I understand bigs get more $
Idc what anyone says, he’s better than Parker, Williams, & Fisher combined. Holloway makes that trade today, if he could.
I don’t think this was addition by subtraction. I think this has more to do with...
Payne/Hines are upgrades
Fisher is better than Aligbe
Stat Mcray is better Middleton
Clark is better than Wusu
God what ah abysmal season it was. Dreary.
Can’t imagine what keeping Clark, Hines, maybe Simpkins will cost us. Gotta keep adding funds.
Clark and Hines should be top priority if they are reasonably willing to stay. Simpkins is a nice player I'd want to keep too but is a lot a lot a lot more replaceable. Invest in your pg and center.
Simpkins is also a major priority. All season long and rightly so we have been harping on getting shooters. Well we have one and they are a priority in college BB.
We badly need all three to come back.
We badly need all three to come back.
Coleman was a volume player last year. I think it’s why he’s struggling on a team with more scoring options.
And I don’t think he works on this team.
I believe the right choice was made back then and now.
And I don’t think he works on this team.
I believe the right choice was made back then and now.
Coleman would give us a player who can get his shot one on one better than anyone we have accept for Bud. However, he’s not worth twice as much as Simpkins. Reasonable decision to let him go, but no doubt he could have helped us.
Exactly how he should’ve been viewed. I would’ve liked to have kept him, but only at a much more modest price, but I wasn’t at all upset to lose him after he revealed his character on the court. Still, I never figured he’d flounder like he has.
He’ll get some sucker to overpay him. He struggles against any team that actually plays defense.
How do the SHU fans here who complain about the starting lineup feel about Pikiell using Francis off the bench?????
I think Coleman is a pretty good player. Last year when he went on one of his scoring binges, I posted repeatedly I thought it was a “good stats, bad team scenario”. Not necessarily indicative of the player, but more the circumstances and competition. Also I don’t know what happened to his reputation as a defender because for years here he was viewed as being good on that end. Guess it changed.
I tend to wait until year end to judge this type of stuff, and after 2 consecutive Ws viewpoints are definitely going to be skewed just as much as the would had been after a few consecutive losses.
I tend to wait until year end to judge this type of stuff, and after 2 consecutive Ws viewpoints are definitely going to be skewed just as much as the would had been after a few consecutive losses.
Wasn’t viewed that way the majority of Coleman’s time here.
It felt like Coleman just didn’t want to come back and even if Sha gave into the $1.5 he woukd have asked for more. So a moot point. Regardless, not worth that number and funds were better used.
Mike needs to come off the bench. Maybe thatll help put an end to our terrible starts. It may not be everything but put ur best on the court
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I tend to prefer great finishes over terrible starts though.
Sha has to juggle a somewhat flawed roster with a very thin margin for success. They are winning virtually all of these close games. It’s cardiac time, but that only means they have fresher legs to finish.
Not pretty but this team is 6-5, fourth place midway through the season and fighting for an NCAA bid in February. 10 man rotation is working and can’t argue with results.
Did anyone think the team would be here at this point?
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The players who need to play are on the court when it counts in the second half, but it would be nice to get out to a good start for once. Williams and Fisher should be replaced by Simpkins and Rivera in the starting lineup. Having Dar as a third option for foul trouble is not a bad option for third string. I like the depth but would rather lead with Rivera.
Agree with your main point.
We are also not far removed from having a large halftime lead against St John's.
It could also be true that it wasn’t about his attitude, but maybe his ability to play D? That team was so horrible he could have conceivably among the best of a bad group of defenders. Cant say for sure since I checked out by this point last year.
There was a narrative that started at some point about him perhaps "hunting shots" and not caring about defense; but I don't recall if that surfaced at the end of last season or in the offseason when it was obvious he wasn't going to come back. Prior to that though, there was a definite view he was a good to very good defender, whether as a freshman, coming into last season, or even during part of last season. Hence why everyone was so surprised at the defense overall last year. Because you had plenty of players who either were or had reputations as being strong defensively (Dual, Wusu, Coleman, Prince, etc). Other than perhaps Baby Mamu and Baby Jokic.
Coleman was an excellent defender his first year playing limited minutes and coming off the bench. But early last year that changed when he was the go to guy on the team along with Jenkins. Midway through the season when he started to hunt points he no longer played a lick of defense. And he only played the minutes he did because the rest of the roster was atrocious, especially when Jenkins went down.
In his own way he quit on the team and played for himself. Then his ask was ridiculous because he knew it would never be granted. Not the type of player I want on my team. No tears were shed when he left.
In his own way he quit on the team and played for himself. Then his ask was ridiculous because he knew it would never be granted. Not the type of player I want on my team. No tears were shed when he left.
Not just starting but his usage in general. There was a stretch when Tariq was playing minutes in the high teens. I realize he sucks on defense and can be a black hole, but he’s also their only offense.
I don’t want to go back & forth in this topic anymore because we’re clearly on opposite sides. I NEVER thought he was hunting points. With how bad that roster was and how bad the offense was, don’t you think at times Holloway told him to create/isolate/go 1on1???? Do you think he was drawing up plays for Aligbe or Dual or Toumi ?? Lol
Wasn't viewed that way by you and who else? He was an undersized for his position and was not a very good percentage shooter. He could not defend bigger and stronger players. If he was such a good defensive player he would be getting more playing time even if he sucks now as an offensive threat.
| 5.0 3 pointers % | 62.5 free throws % |
I can understand if the team last yr lead him to play differently, but i complained about lots of his game last yr. I doubt if Sha had 5 guys last yr he could trust to play like he wanted.