College Recruits Deserve Better Publicity From Their High Schools
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I don't know of a school that doesn't keep track of their stats. They may not publicize them, but they are accurately kept. A lot of coaches don't publish stats because they don't want their opponents to get a scouting advantage.
Now if you are saying that there is a coach doesn't know a kids stats when asked, then that is another story and I agree with you.
BTW, no college recruiter gives a darn about stats. They trust their own eyes. Stats, while fun and interesting, can hide just as much as they reveal.
Nice and you're correct. College recruiters don't want your stats. Stats don't tell anybody if you can play at the next level. Frankly, the first question a recruiter will ask is "how are his grades"?
Missing the point. Its not necessarily the first thing a college recruiter asks. Please read the article? However 90% of all recruiting questionnaires ask for accomplishments and stats. Newspaper ranks top 20 players in categories after Friday night, including standout players and their stats.. How do players without stats figure in? Not important? Ask the kid if it's important.
Lastly go on any College site... click on roster...click on players name. read Bio. You see any high school stats there? Career TDs, Yards rushing, etc? Ever go into a meeting to choose players for all conference? all state? You just tell all the other coaches the kids a good player or do you have some stats to back it up?
Ever rush for 1000 yards and see all the other RBs in your conference heralded by yards and yours not there?
basketball - who's the leading scorer in the conference? Not important? To who?
Leading HR hitter in the state? Not important? To who?
Whether or not an idiot can see that derrick henry is a beast at RB isn't the point of the article or discussion... lauding the accomplishments of players who work their *** off is.. and don't be so trite to say that college coaches aren't going to look twice at a kid who leads the area in rushing because his name is at the top of a statistical list... if you're going to post any stats - be accurate and complete. If the stats are terrible, even more important - There is another kid, waiting who probably deserves to be in there. It matters to the kid in more ways than one; and is not about being a teamer or ego.
I think it boils down to the fact that when you're 1 and 9 every year, you probably don't keep stats...especially don't publish stats...and you'll keep being 1 and 9 because top tier players will go to a program where the players are publicized. When you're 9-1, you already knew how important it is - and you continue to cultivate excellence by acknowledging it publicly. This is very important to how you attract players and families to your program. Kids have dreams and like to be rewarded.
Lastly go on any College site... click on roster...click on players name. read Bio. You see any high school stats there? Career TDs, Yards rushing, etc? Ever go into a meeting to choose players for all conference? all state? You just tell all the other coaches the kids a good player or do you have some stats to back it up?
Ever rush for 1000 yards and see all the other RBs in your conference heralded by yards and yours not there?
basketball - who's the leading scorer in the conference? Not important? To who?
Leading HR hitter in the state? Not important? To who?
Whether or not an idiot can see that derrick henry is a beast at RB isn't the point of the article or discussion... lauding the accomplishments of players who work their *** off is.. and don't be so trite to say that college coaches aren't going to look twice at a kid who leads the area in rushing because his name is at the top of a statistical list... if you're going to post any stats - be accurate and complete. If the stats are terrible, even more important - There is another kid, waiting who probably deserves to be in there. It matters to the kid in more ways than one; and is not about being a teamer or ego.
I think it boils down to the fact that when you're 1 and 9 every year, you probably don't keep stats...especially don't publish stats...and you'll keep being 1 and 9 because top tier players will go to a program where the players are publicized. When you're 9-1, you already knew how important it is - and you continue to cultivate excellence by acknowledging it publicly. This is very important to how you attract players and families to your program. Kids have dreams and like to be rewarded.
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I read the article the first time. It is an article that is posted by a website that publishes stats and wants you to post on their website so that they can get more hits.
Again, I don't know a coach who doesn't have stats for his team come post season selection time. But I also know that the opposing coaches trust their eyes (from watching those kids in person and on film) and not stats in those meetings.
I can appreciate it if you are a parent who who doesn't think your coach does a good job of representing your kid at the meeting. If he walks into that room unprepared then is not acceptable. But he could also be fighting like heck for your kid, and the other guys simply think someone else is better. I have sat in those meetings(at the highest level) and seen both of those things happen.
And if your coach isn't sending in your teams stats or game reports to the local newspapers then that is also unacceptable. That is part of the job and should be mandated by the AD. But if you want it on 3 different webpages, in addition, then perhaps you can volunteer to assist in that. Heck, I don't know a high school who can't use another good stats guy. The coach has a lot on his plate already.
But again college coaches don't give a rats rear end who leads any area in anything. They base their decisions on what they see in person at one day camps and on film. Nobody, and I mean, nobody, ever got a scholarship because of their stats.
Again, I don't know a coach who doesn't have stats for his team come post season selection time. But I also know that the opposing coaches trust their eyes (from watching those kids in person and on film) and not stats in those meetings.
I can appreciate it if you are a parent who who doesn't think your coach does a good job of representing your kid at the meeting. If he walks into that room unprepared then is not acceptable. But he could also be fighting like heck for your kid, and the other guys simply think someone else is better. I have sat in those meetings(at the highest level) and seen both of those things happen.
And if your coach isn't sending in your teams stats or game reports to the local newspapers then that is also unacceptable. That is part of the job and should be mandated by the AD. But if you want it on 3 different webpages, in addition, then perhaps you can volunteer to assist in that. Heck, I don't know a high school who can't use another good stats guy. The coach has a lot on his plate already.
But again college coaches don't give a rats rear end who leads any area in anything. They base their decisions on what they see in person at one day camps and on film. Nobody, and I mean, nobody, ever got a scholarship because of their stats.
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My comment was about stats and their worth from a recruiting standpoint.
If you're filling out recruiting questionnaires at College Websites, you're a player looking for a school. If you're a next level player, the school comes to you. No questionnaire required. Those bio's you see are created by a graduate assistant who sits with the player for a few minutes prior to National Signing Day for background information that the alumni can be enthusiastic about when your name is announced. Normally, a background film is also made with player highlights that makes the Coach look smart, generates excitement on the upcoming season and, most importantly, sells tickets and gets alumni contributions. And yes, before a College Recruiter/Coach ever steps foot in your school, the first question asked is "how are his grades"? Because, why bother if he can't get through his first year of school academically.
Stats have a place in All-State selections when choosing between just a few players because some just can't be ignored. As you pointed out, if you've hit more HRs than any other player in the State, serious consideration is warranted.
But again, stats have almost nothing to do with recruiting. Practically ALL next level recruiting is based on relationships between HS Coachs and recruiters. It's a phone call that starts with "I've got one for you". It's not random scouts looking at random games. It's not looking at the stat line in the paper. It's not going through the All-State list. It's a phone call.
If you're a parent and you think your child is recruitable, the single best first thing you can do is sit down with the HC at your school and have a blunt, serious discussion. Because if your child is not being recruited, your Coach has neither made nor received this call.
Every Coach keeps stats, whether you're 1 - 9 or 9 - 1. To presume otherwise is ludicrous. How do you think those stats show up in your local paper every Saturday morning?
Now, if you want to put players accomplishments in the paper, I have no problem with that. That was the point of the article. Everyone deserves a trophy.
as for everyone gets a trophy? That does seem to be your point...
Where mine is - everyone does not... and stats matter
Where mine is - everyone does not... and stats matter
That's easy - Someone keeps a record of your GPA and it's accurate and honest! And they tell people that you can go to school at the next level!
Why do we have stats posted for Heismann Trophy candidates? can't the people who vote see who led the nation in rushing or TD passes?
Again - Stats may not matter to you (although you'll get worn out year after year if you don't keep them and know how to use them)... but THEY MATTER TO THE KIDS
Shauntclair 3.5.16 Another thread
"Why don't you just go to MaxPreps, HUDL or an area newspaper to get those numbers yourself? It's what anyone else would have to do. Or do you just imagine there's a central depository where all those numbers are kept for every player who ever played HS Football? No one is going to do this digging for you."
You advocate going to Max Preps and Hudl for stats??? Guess what - you're not the only one... and there should be accountability for posting them totally inaccurately.
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All due respect but what are you talking about? Plus you try to quantify HS to College. Rediculous.
This is a HS site. Equating it with College is silly because I agree, college stats count. But HS stats mean nothing when it comes to recruiting. That's my point. And you are right about inaccuracies for a lot of HS stats. For example, the definition of a tackle ranges wildly.
Again, I have no issue with th articles suggestion about putting out kids accomplishments. Fine with me. Go for it. But if the HS kid is concerned about his stats, he simply wasn't raised right. IMO.
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Obviously you never were a kid and even less classy as an adult. To insinuate someone did a poor job of parenting because they concur with a mainstream thought and article is bush league.
Kids have immature feelings for sure; but that doesn't make them less valid.
Here's the last guy you wanted to invalidate with some stupid rhetoric:
Jdphil2 said: ↑
"Someone asks.for stats that no one can give. If I weren't a father of a player and I were just a fan I still would like to see the stats. But as a father knowing how hard his son works to.try and have himself deemed worthy of recognition. Info that would let him compare himself with the others so he can set a goal for himself. But to no avail he can get nothing. Nothing to compare to just hearsay from people who like to tell him they are better than him but cannot give him anything else. Yes stats can make a difference to an athlete trying to make himself better. Trying to achieve a goal he has set for himself. So as for trying to find out well tell me if I'm wrong but STATS do make a difference and the info should be there to compare. This will at least five him.something to compare himself to. If some one would be so kind as to find them my son and I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks"
Just another poor job of parenting??
You've done a great job on one thread of telling others to look at Hudl, MaxPreps, etc. for stats... yet decide to take another side of it, just to be argumentative.
That's what torch bearers for commercialized high school sports propaganda do, I suppose.
Shauntclair: "But HS stats mean nothing when it comes to recruiting."
And LASTLY, This isn't about whether stats mean anything to RECRUITING...It's about what it means to RECRUITS in HIGH SCHOOL!!
read the article!
Kids have immature feelings for sure; but that doesn't make them less valid.
Here's the last guy you wanted to invalidate with some stupid rhetoric:
Jdphil2 said: ↑
"Someone asks.for stats that no one can give. If I weren't a father of a player and I were just a fan I still would like to see the stats. But as a father knowing how hard his son works to.try and have himself deemed worthy of recognition. Info that would let him compare himself with the others so he can set a goal for himself. But to no avail he can get nothing. Nothing to compare to just hearsay from people who like to tell him they are better than him but cannot give him anything else. Yes stats can make a difference to an athlete trying to make himself better. Trying to achieve a goal he has set for himself. So as for trying to find out well tell me if I'm wrong but STATS do make a difference and the info should be there to compare. This will at least five him.something to compare himself to. If some one would be so kind as to find them my son and I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks"
Just another poor job of parenting??
You've done a great job on one thread of telling others to look at Hudl, MaxPreps, etc. for stats... yet decide to take another side of it, just to be argumentative.
That's what torch bearers for commercialized high school sports propaganda do, I suppose.
Shauntclair: "But HS stats mean nothing when it comes to recruiting."
And LASTLY, This isn't about whether stats mean anything to RECRUITING...It's about what it means to RECRUITS in HIGH SCHOOL!!
read the article!
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You are amazing. You constitute a single article as a mainstream thought. Says a lot for you.
As I have repeatedly said in this thread, I have no problem with wanting players acknowledged for their accomplishments. That's what the article was about. Go for it.
I have posted that stats have nothing to do with recruiting. That's just a fact and I have given the examples to support that.
The gentleman asked for stats to try to validate his own contention that his son should have been on the All-State team. Unfortunately, the team's are not chosen in that manner, at least when it comes to football. Obviously, sports like basketball, soccer and baseball are different. You cannot ignore the leading scorer in basketball or soccer and you cannot discount batting averages in baseball. But this man continuously requested football stats from whoever could provide them and was unwilling to put in his own effort. To me, he was clearly requesting VAPreps or the VHSL to provide this information as a way of making them justifY his son's absence from their lists. IMO, that was his agenda and had nothing to do with his desire to "set goals". He wanted his son's name in the paper for his own personal gain. Not his son's. So IMO, that's bad parenting.
You're only a recruit if Colleges are paying attention to you. When Coachs contact you. Being a player does not make you a recruit. Filling out questionnaires does not make you a recruit. Going to camps does not make you a recruit. If a College Coach "asks" you to come to his camp, you're a recruit. If you're getting offers, you're a recruit. All the stats in the world does not make you a recruit. You've got to have the goods. And let's be honest, the vast majority of HS Football players are not recruited. If this does happen to an individual, just be honored and humbled to even be mentioned in these terms and get ready for tomorrow.
Pitchout31,
I just went on Maxpreps to see if your son's stats were posted. They were all there from football season, despite the fact that the team went 2-8. Everything, from offense, defense, and even your son's return stats on special teams were all there. I saw one inaccuracy where they accidentally gave him 6 td in a game instead of 6 points. Otherwise they looked to be complete.
Maybe you are talking about the baseball or basketball coaches at your school, but it looks like the fb coach was doing his due diligence. In fact, your son made the all conference team even. Your son is a very good player with outstanding speed and quickness
I just went on Maxpreps to see if your son's stats were posted. They were all there from football season, despite the fact that the team went 2-8. Everything, from offense, defense, and even your son's return stats on special teams were all there. I saw one inaccuracy where they accidentally gave him 6 td in a game instead of 6 points. Otherwise they looked to be complete.
Maybe you are talking about the baseball or basketball coaches at your school, but it looks like the fb coach was doing his due diligence. In fact, your son made the all conference team even. Your son is a very good player with outstanding speed and quickness
All due respect...but I have played, coached and been a parent... This isn't about me. I actually take a huge interest in youth athletics across a larger landscape than just my interest... But since you mentioned it - Actually less than half of my sons stats are posted... Totally inaccurate, incomplete and not even close... However you somehow assume they are all there, like anyone else would. And again my whole rant is lack of awareness to this dilemma across many spectrums and multiple sports... and Im always in amazement when people responsible dismiss this as trivial.
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Fair enough. I agree that if the stats aren't accurate, then they probably shouldn't be posted. You should volunteer to do the stats for them and update maxpreps. Like I said, I don't know a high school that can't use a good stats guy. And that goes for almost every sport.
let's ask a different question, if you don't mind answering.
Why are HS Football stats important?
Why are HS Football stats important?