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RUsojo said:
I always thought considering injuries was ridiculous. You’re judged on your whole team and everyone has more than five players. Shouldn’t put a team in or out because of injured players out or returning
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Especially when body of work is supposed to matter.
Very inconsistent
 
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S_Janowski said:
Complete bs.

If it’s about a complete body of work and no recency bias, an injury should have no impact.

What does Bill Self’s health a few days before selection Sunday have to do with Kansas seeding and their performance all season? Why is that even a consideration?

What a bunch of dip$hits.
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I just don’t get that. Gives committee members to much power and influence
Injects a level of unnecessary subjectivity
 
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Ru0822 said:
They considered our injuries as a reason for why they left us out. They werent confident enough in how we would play without Mag…though beating Mich and playing Purdue tough should have been enough
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And beating Ped at Ped
 
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shields said:
Stop with the Temple games. Play Gonzaga.
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How do you play a team that's chicken sh*t to play a home & home with you? They refused to play RU because they don't want to at the RAC. And ND backed out of the Mohegan Sun game.

Imagine how much better the OOC schedule would have been if those games happened. Wasn't RU's fault neither got played.
 
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kcg88 said:
That's absolutely goddamn insane to penalize a team for an injury. The losses the team takes with an injured player IS the penalty and then your evaluate the resume as a whole.
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It's called Laziness! They found a way to rationalize the decision they were going to make and went with it. If RU would have played b10 tourney like they played latter portion of reg season then fine, committee could use the excuse. Watching b10 tourney, you absolutely should not be using the injury excuse. And could even use it in the reverse and say, oh we'll discount the Minn loss and early season loss because of injuries but we see what they're doing now in tourney and assume they're getting back into swing.
and as i said before, if injury is such an important factor this year for selection, how in the world can you give houston a 1 with them losing top player to injury and not knowing if he'd be back?
 
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fischy5000 said:
It's called Laziness! They found a way to rationalize the decision they were going to make and went with it. If RU would have played b10 tourney like they played latter portion of reg season then fine, committee could use the excuse. Watching b10 tourney, you absolutely should not be using the injury excuse. And could even use it in the reverse and say, oh we'll discount the Minn loss and early season loss because of injuries but we see what they're doing now in tourney and assume they're getting back into swing.
and as i said before, if injury is such an important factor this year for selection, how in the world can you give houston a 1 with them losing top player to injury and not knowing if he'd be back?
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Exactly. Intellectual laziness. The fact that the chairman called us out on the selection show unsolicited is evidence that people on the committee knew it was a ducked up decision
 
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bethlehemfan said:
Exactly. Intellectual laziness. The fact that the chairman called us out on the selection show unsolicited is evidence that people on the committee knew it was a ducked up decision
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yep!
not to mention, if those excuses he gave for why they kept us out were so crucial, that should mean it likely wouldnt have mattered if we beat purdue in tourney. Since injury and losses completely outweigh any victories (as seen with nc state/nevada stats)
 
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Considering injuries is ridiculous. If you consider Mag, you need to consider that 2 starters were out against Temple and one against Miami. How about when you beat a team that has a key player out due to injury. Should that be considered too?
 
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Plum Street said:
Why ? If he makes a couple foul shots against Ohio state or minnesota Or defends better on final possession
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I like Pike’s philosophy. Give me your address and I’ll send someone over with a hammer. Stand back or wear safety glasses
 
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rutgersac88 said:
Considering injuries is ridiculous. If you consider Mag, you need to consider that 2 starters were out against Temple and one against Miami. How about when you beat a team that has a key player out due to injury. Should that be considered too?
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I took the comment which mentioned considering injuries throughout the year as they took all this into account.
 
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fischy5000 said:
yep!
not to mention, if those excuses he gave for why they kept us out were so crucial, that should mean it likely wouldnt have mattered if we beat purdue in tourney. Since injury and losses completely outweigh any victories (as seen with nc state/nevada stats)
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They really didn't want RU holding teams to under 45 pts while only scoring in the mid 50s.
 
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S_Janowski said:
Complete bs.

If it’s about a complete body of work and no recency bias, an injury should have no impact.

What does Bill Self’s health a few days before selection Sunday have to do with Kansas seeding and their performance all season? Why is that even a consideration?

What a bunch of dip$hits.
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This x 10000”
 
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rutger80 said:
Basically, the committee said don't lose games when players get hurt.
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The timing of the injury and the losing streak leading into March became too much of a storyline for us. If Simpson emerged and became a storyline BEFORE the big ten tournament , even if we had the same results … I think the committee then ignores the injury headline. But it became THE headline about RU bball for all of Feb which perfectly coincides with the timeline of the committee paying attention to bubble teams.
 
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RutgersSam said:
In the end, the warts on Rutgers’ resume – principally four Quad 3 losses, an unprecedented amount for an at-large selection – held the day. A non-conference stretch of schedule ranked 342s out of 363 teams surely didn’t help, either. Rutgers has played a soft non-conference schedule since Steve Pikiell took the reins in 2016, but this is he first time it's broken against the Scarlet Knights in a tangible way.

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now do

NC State
Nevada
Pitt

I'll wait
 
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I'd actually be less mad if they said our resume was worse than Nevada's. Then they'd just be wrong. Bringing the injury into the mix makes a mockery of the whole thing and sets a horrible precedent. It's supposed to be about your body of work. There should be no projection regarding how the team is currently constituted baked in.
 
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In my opinion we were out before the b1g tourney even started. We were still behind osu for the last spot. The cake was baked immediately after the season ended. If we had beat Purdue and made the conf final a d lost we probably were still out. We had to win going into Chicago.

Many factors at play here to form a perfect storm.
1. 3-7 down the stretch did us no favors.
2. Mag or no mag you have to do better than. 3-7.
3. We need to beef up the occ schedule. If we are going to lose occ lose to good teams on a neutral court in a tourney. Playing all ****** teams ooc leaves no margin of error for off nights or injuries.
4. We were unlucky that psu got hot and probably stole the 8th and final b1g bid as the committee would have had to cut a bid from the acc or big east to get us in and that was not happening. They seemed determined to get 4 from the mountain west which I don't understand because aside from San Diego none of those teams would have a winning record in our conf. But every year the committee seems to hook up one of the group of 5 for fairness or some other reason. The pac being a power 5 was never going to be limited to 3 teams I guess.
 
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S_Janowski said:
Here’s the clip where he mentions Self and Rutgers.

The idea that Bill Self’s health has anything to do with their seeding is absolutely moronic to me.

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I think they basically gave the kansas team a pass for losing since they didnt have their coach...laughable. and somehow gave Houston a pass because they apparently dont care about performance in conference tourney's so it doesnt matter that they might be playing ncaa's without a top player.
 
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