Could this also be said for Sha?

[shu67]

Not moving any goals posts and you are missing the point! These 7 well respected coaches are all having a down year! So it is a collective down year by 7! There really is no middle of the pack. Just look at their overall records as well as their BE record. Don't tell me these guys all of a sudden forgot how to coach, recruit and game plan?

McDermott, Motta, Holtman, Cooley, Smart, R. Pitino, English

There is more here than meets the eye. NIL! The landscape has changed for everyone. The sharks (Danny and Slick Rick) have taken over. Money talks.

 

[JTSHU]

Gotta figure sophomore year Hines will be lightyears better than freshman year Hines. His development this offseason, whether with us or someone else, will be enormous. He is going to be really, really good. If (big if) we can come up with the money to run back a second year of Budd and Hines, I think the results will be enormous. The question is...is Sha willing to forego his own strategy and invest heavily into his nucleus? I would love to see him unload his budget on Budd, Hines, and Simpkins. That would be one hell of a "Big 3."

Lets see these 3 are worth 3.5M on the open market. Thats more.then 50% of our budget. How can that possibly work?

 

[Bud Boomer]

Lets see these 3 are worth 3.5M on the open market. Thats more.then 50% of our budget. How can that possibly work?

Knicks top 3 players make up 60% of the payroll. Nuggets top 3 make up 70%. Celtics top 3 make up 67%. Even in OKC - who have a lot of young talent - their top 3 make up 47%. No one uses the communism roster construction model in basketball. Pay the stars and figure out the rest.

 

[donnie-baseball]

If you substituted Seton Hall for rutgers in Politi's column, it would still be 100% applicable! Sad but true.

So you'd rather be where rutgers stands at this point in the season?

 

[donnie-baseball]

Providence coach will be fired, Matta maybe also. Cooley is on shaky ground. Pitino and Holtman are new coaches with bottom tier resources so will be given time.

The other 5 coaches are top coaches.

Smart and Mac are having pretty bad years...

 

[The Crows Nest]

Hines is worth whatever the free market commands. If he goes can he be replaced with a productive big for less money? What will Godswill want? Can we afford both Hines and Godswill? Lots of questions about NIL pot and where to spend it. Haven't even discussed a power forward who can rebound and score and someone who can make 3's.

Someone with connections has to get us with Dunkin to create the "Dunkin Hines" theme....maybe a free coffee or donut for every dunk? I dont know...and dont care, but gotta find a way to funnel some money outside of our routine budget

 

[donnie-baseball]

You are missing the point and moving the goal posts.

First off, "all" BE coaches are not struggling.

Second, every coach has a down year here or there. Even the greatest. Look around the sport. Even in other conferences, some really good coaches are having tough seasons. To Bud's point, a downside of this portal era is having to integrate so many new players each season. If you miss in the portal, it can really impact your season, unless you figure out a way to adjust. And just like free agency in major sports, EVERYONE will miss in the portal at some point.

The difference is that when a great coach or even a consistently very good coach has a rough stretch or a down year, they aren't going to be subject to any significant level of criticism because of what they've done in the past. It is common sense.

If Danny Hurley or Pitino came here tomorrow, or even a Greg McDermott or Shaka Smart, (as 4 examples in the league). this board and our fan base would give them a longer leash because of what they've accomplished elsewhere.

I think Sha has done a solid job this season, so I'm not down on him as much as others. But part of the Sha discussion is what he's done over the past 4 years, not just last year or just this year. Four years, especially when you inherit a program that lived in the NCAA tournament for a half decade before and had some very good talent dropped at your feet, is a good sample size. That's what drives the criticisms, even from those who recognize he's done solid overall this year and understand the NIL world we live in (which, btw, he needed to after last season's debacle).

So Sha, who's had only one bad year here last year, coming in when a whole new world was coming down on SHU (which had no plan), should be held more accountable than Mack or Smart?

 

[dehere23]

So Sha, who's had only one bad year here last year, coming in when a whole new world was coming down on SHU (which had no plan), should be held more accountable than Mack or Smart?

I'm not talking about accountability. I'm sure Sha holds himself more accountable than any fan will ever hold him. I was talking about how fans generally perceive any coach in this sport or other sports. The more of a track record one has, especially a recent track record, the less criticism they are going to get for a bad year or lack of success. It's common sense. Part of what drives fans critiques of Sha no doubt comes from him presiding over one of the worst seasons in Big East history, coupled with this being year 4 and him not having made the tournament prior to this season, when we lived there for half a decade before him. There are lots of reasons for that, some of which aren't his fault, as you correctly reference. But he no doubt plays a role in that too.

 

[Piratz]

We hate Sha's defense first philosophy. We hate out 3 pt philosophy.

Pc runs a good offence and can shoot 3s great.

Hmmm.

Both extremes. And the teams are only separated by 15 spots in KenPom.

Root for PC. They’re 1 NET slot from our win there being Q1.

 

[shu67]

I think schools all know this NIL environment is a work in progress and I don't see too many coaches being fired in the near term because of it. They will get more rope as schools know it is all about money and not really about recruiting and teaching anymore. Money to get great players and money to retain them! You really can't blame the coach if the school is not providing the funds. Imagine what Sha could do with a few million more!

 

[dehere23]

I think schools all know this NIL environment is a work in progress and I don't see too many coaches being fired in the near term because of it. They will get more rope as schools know it is all about money and not really about recruiting and teaching anymore. Money to get great players and money to retain them! You really can't blame the coach if the school is not providing the funds. Imagine what Sha could do with a few million more!

It's still about teaching and development, so I completely disagree with you there. Even if you bring in multiple free agents, you need to find a way they can fit, play to your style, fit in with other talented players, etc. The recruiting is obviously different with NIL, but good players are going to have multiple options at similar dollars, so you need to be able to sell as well in probably the overwhelming majority of situations. No different than the past.

 

[Seton75]

Both extremes. And the teams are only separated by 15 spots in KenPom.

Root for PC. They’re 1 NET slot from our win there being Q1.

As i am efficiency difficient, I stll go by record lol