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But I thought these police agencies were on the up-and-up with their crime stats…. That has to be fake news…
That’s really this issue. One person can believe one number and somebody else believes other numbers. This can’t be the only big city in which this has happened. And can we actually find out what the real motivation is to do this?
 
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That’s really this issue. One person can believe one number and somebody else believes other numbers. This can’t be the only big city in which this has happened. And can we actually find out what the real motivation is to do this?

Not really. I don't have any quibbles with the argument that not every cop or department is perfect (or entirely honest) with crime stats.

But please explain how that matters. They are just as incentivized to cheat when the numbers are rising as when they are falling (in fact they are more incentivized to cheat when things are getting worse).

Just look at the murder stats. Historic lows in major city after city. Chicago homicides are down like 30% this year. When the year ends, they will be down roughly 50% since 2021 (there were 797 in 2021 and currently Chicago is on track for about 400 this year).

Chicago sees historic drop in violent crime during first half of 2025 | PBS News
 
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Not really. I don't have any quibbles with the argument that not every cop or department is perfect (or entirely honest) with crime stats.

But please explain how that matters. They are just as incentivized to cheat when the numbers are rising as when they are falling (in fact they are more incentivized to cheat when things are getting worse).

Just look at the murder stats. Historic lows in major city after city. Chicago homicides are down like 30% this year. When the year ends, they will be down roughly 50% since 2021 (there were 797 in 2021 and currently Chicago is on track for about 400 this year).

Chicago sees historic drop in violent crime during first half of 2025 | PBS News
Crime rates lowering has nothing to do with the discussion of DC systematically misclassifying crimes to artificially lower rates. Crime can be receding from epic covid levels. That still doesn’t mean what was reported by DC was accurate. Do you care about accuracy or just want to harp on crime rates are going down. If DC has been misclassifying crimes systematically, odds are they aren’t the only one. The discussion is accuracy. Do you have an idea as to why the police in DC willfully reported inaccuracies?

BTW, Chicago’s crime rates dropping more slowly than the rest of nation.

 

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That’s really this issue. One person can believe one number and somebody else believes other numbers. This can’t be the only big city in which this has happened. And can we actually find out what the real motivation is to do this?
I think the motives are money and politics. Dem run cities need to show that crime numbers are down so the politicians can get re-elected and police departments need to stay funded and have all of their chiefs, lieutenants, captains, etc. paid. Low crime numbers accomplish both.
 

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Stone told me I was completely mistaken.


Instead of believing online BS, read the new rules. There is an additional $6,000 deduction from income for seniors, that is income sensitive and phases out as income rises and goes to zero at around $170,000. So you would have to be very, very low income in order to avoid paying taxes on SS.
 

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Crime rates lowering has nothing to do with the discussion of DC systematically misclassifying crimes to artificially lower rates. Crime can be receding from epic covid levels. That still doesn’t mean what was reported by DC was accurate. Do you care about accuracy or just want to harp on crime rates are going down. If DC has been misclassifying crimes systematically, odds are they aren’t the only one. The discussion is accuracy. Do you have an idea as to why the police in DC willfully reported inaccuracies?

BTW, Chicago’s crime rates dropping more slowly than the rest of nation.

 

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I think the motives are money and politics. Dem run cities need to show that crime numbers are down so the politicians can get re-elected and police departments need to stay funded and have all of their chiefs, lieutenants, captains, etc. paid. Low crime numbers accomplish both.
That’s an interesting take and one possibility. Perhaps I’m a bit pollyannaish, but I don’t believe there are that many people willing to conspire to misreport crimes. It could be the ones that aren’t all in are threatened and keep quiet/keep their head down to keep their job, but the ringleaders have to get something. Is it a promise of a future promotion within the Party? Has an NGO paid them in an offshore account or could it be they have been compromised in some way by shagging the wrong person?
 
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This is Icky if true. Sure hope not, but Train told us all is well


Yep, the whole issue can be settled by screening people for the spike proteins and potential residual virus infection simultaneously. I'm afraid what we'll see is that for a number of people, the supposedly temporary production of the protein in shoulder muscle tissue "escaped" and persists in various organs in the body. I think it's especially bad in the heart because the cellular replacement rate is very slow, so slow that for a long time it was believed they were never replaced.
 

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The Patriots are now going to do the same thing as the Vikes?


Kraft was at my table for a New Years/Christmas dinner, with his late wife, at a friend of mines oceanfront home.

Our table was in the Annex to the Dining room. At the time he had only purchased Foxboro Stadium. I could hear him complaining to his Wife.

"What do I have to do to sit in the main dining room ? Buy the freaking team ?"
 

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Instead of believing online BS, read the new rules. There is an additional $6,000 deduction from income for seniors, that is income sensitive and phases out as income rises and goes to zero at around $170,000. So you would have to be very, very low income in order to avoid paying taxes on SS.
The median income for those over 65 in the US is under $50K, so I'd be inclined to think at minimum most seniors would benefit somewhat from the OBBBA. Many won't because they were already paying no income taxes at all. Unfortunately the OBBBA was a reconciliation bill, which by congressional rules cannot do anything about tax rates/liability on Social Security itself. I don't know all relevant numbers but apparently the $6K sweeps a good number of people below the total income threshold that triggers tax liability on SS. For "rich" seniors, it doesn't help so much which should have the tax the rich crowd doing cartwheels down the hallway. Helping people at the low end of the spectrum and sticking it to the rich guy.
 

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Crime rates lowering has nothing to do with the discussion of DC systematically misclassifying crimes to artificially lower rates. Crime can be receding from epic covid levels. That still doesn’t mean what was reported by DC was accurate. Do you care about accuracy or just want to harp on crime rates are going down. If DC has been misclassifying crimes systematically, odds are they aren’t the only one. The discussion is accuracy. Do you have an idea as to why the police in DC willfully reported inaccuracies?

BTW, Chicago’s crime rates dropping more slowly than the rest of nation.

Drano HATES being proven wrong, even on these innocuous posts. That will soon be deleted !

He will continue for years about something he knows little about.

I refuse to let this slide, being somewhat stubborn myself.

Whereas I gladly ask him for his knowledge on Offensive coordinators in Football. Where I bow to his superior insight !
 
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Instead of believing online BS, read the new rules. There is an additional $6,000 deduction from income for seniors, that is income sensitive and phases out as income rises and goes to zero at around $170,000. So you would have to be very, very low income in order to avoid paying taxes on SS.
Which is at it should be, low Income NO taxes. Higher Income pay taxes in the BBB, which you have been misstating for months.

President Trumps ultimate goal is to ELIMINATE Federal taxes for EVERYONE earning UNDER $ 150,000 per year. Which will mean that 76 % of America will owe the IRS, NOTHING $
 

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“Largely clean driving record” is a twist of deception similar to ”Mostly peaceful protests”. Additionally, it’s no secret who this “undocumented worker” is. There is plenty of “documention” on this illegal alien.

 
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The median income for those over 65 in the US is under $50K, so I'd be inclined to think at minimum most seniors would benefit somewhat from the OBBBA. Many won't because they were already paying no income taxes at all. Unfortunately the OBBBA was a reconciliation bill, which by congressional rules cannot do anything about tax rates/liability on Social Security itself. I don't know all relevant numbers but apparently the $6K sweeps a good number of people below the total income threshold that triggers tax liability on SS. For "rich" seniors, it doesn't help so much which should have the tax the rich crowd doing cartwheels down the hallway. Helping people at the low end of the spectrum and sticking it to the rich guy.
You are probably correct. Many living solely off of SS do not pay tax now. Median benefit is about $30,000 per year, 20% exempt leaves $24,000 which is about the exemption for those over 65, isn't it? I don't see Income of $100,000 or $170,000 as being rich. But if you are only bringing in $30,000, I guess you would. I am not referring to you personally.
 

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TIK TOK your source for news LOL.
Willfull and moronic deflection on your part as usual. The person in the video is real. She is a real Dem who lives in DC for real. I will remind you of Malcolm X quote - “The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man.”
 
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Drano HATES being proven wrong, even on these innocuous posts. That will soon be deleted !

He will continue for years about something he knows little about.

I refuse to let this slide, being somewhat stubborn myself.

Whereas I gladly ask him for his knowledge on Offensive coordinators in Football. Where I bow to his superior insight !

I was 100% right on this issue and you were 100% wrong. I started arguing in late 2023 that crime was in fact declining, and this argument continued throughout 2024 (due to the election). Somehow we are still arguing in 2025, despite the fact that Trump won.

It is fully established by every bit of data that crime dropped in 2023, plummeted in 2024, and is dropping EVEN MORE in 2025. I have no idea why you want to argue this. It's not just the FBI. I can cite you to conservative commentators (Charles Fain Lehman of the Manhattan Insitute for one) who will tell you the same thing I have.

If you want to argue that Trump is doing a great job deporting immigrants who commit crime ... I have no reason to dispute it. However, such immigrants never drove national crime rates, as the large majority of crimes are committed by native born Americans. If you want to argue that crime rose dramatically from 2020-22, that's correct and stipulated. However, it started falling as we departed the Covid era. If you want to argue that Trump's crime policies are better than Biden's, I 100% agree with you. If you want to argue that Trump should federalize DC law enforcement because crime rates there are too high, it's a perfectly plausible argument (although I think using the Guard is for show and unnecessary, as there are plenty of actual LE resources that can be deployed in DC).

But what you have been arguing is that "Dtrain is wrong when he says crime is going down." And that's completely incorrect. It's not even remotely arguable. Crime has been going down for well over 2 years now, and has been going down DRAMATICALLY. Murders are going to be down like 40% from 2022 this year (maybe close to 50%), violent crime is at 50 year lows, and property crime might be the lowest ever. @Uncoach's response to my commentary on Chicago was something on the order of "sure, it's going down from absurd highs in 2022 but that's just because it spiked so high." My dude Uncoach, Chicago homicides are going to be at their lowest since 1965 this year. I wasn't alive then, you may have been but it's close. 1965.

These might be inconvenient facts to you, but they remain facts. I continue to ask for anything rebutting them, and you offer nothing but yarns about your son (which also have stopped, probably because crime is down pretty bigly in NYC right now). It's OK that I was right, and the two of you were wrong. I get it ... real time data is not easy to track (but I found it and was tracking it).

Next year, Trump is going to be taking victory laps about historic crime lows. Enjoy them!
 
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You are probably correct. Many living solely off of SS do not pay tax now. Median benefit is about $30,000 per year, 20% exempt leaves $24,000 which is about the exemption for those over 65, isn't it? I don't see Income of $100,000 or $170,000 as being rich. But if you are only bringing in $30,000, I guess you would. I am not referring to you personally.
$100K/yr is in the top 20%-30% and $170K/yr is top 10%, so I guess it would depend on where someone draws lines, and you're right, a lot of people looking at someone else bringing in 2-3x what they are bringing in would consider them rich. I tend to think conflating income with wealth is a little suspect, but at least for now the federal government only has the power to tax us on income so the emphasis is on income. I think the 2025 standard deduction is about $30K for married filing jointly, and for those couples both over 65 with low enough income the extra $12K exemption would take that up 40% to $42k if my understanding is correct. I'm not taking SS and am not up on the specifics how the exemption above the first 15% rolls off with income, and whether/how the up to $12K OBBBA deduction for seniors factors into the SS tax liability calculation.
 
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I was 100% right on this issue and you were 100% wrong. I started arguing in late 2023 that crime was in fact declining, and this argument continued throughout 2024 (due to the election). Somehow we are still arguing in 2025, despite the fact that Trump won.

It is fully established by every bit of data that crime dropped in 2023, plummeted in 2024, and is dropping EVEN MORE in 2025. I have no idea why you want to argue this. It's not just the FBI. I can cite you to conservative commentators (Charles Fain Lehman of the Manhattan Insitute for one) who will tell you the same thing I have.

If you want to argue that Trump is doing a great job deporting immigrants who commit crime ... I have no reason to dispute it. However, such immigrants never drove national crime rates, as the large majority of crimes are committed by native born Americans. If you want to argue that crime rose dramatically from 2020-22, that's correct and stipulated. However, it started falling as we departed the Covid era. If you want to argue that Trump's crime policies are better than Biden's, I 100% agree with you. If you want to argue that Trump should federalize DC law enforcement because crime rates there are too high, it's a perfectly plausible argument (although I think using the Guard is for show and unnecessary, as there are plenty of actual LE resources that can be deployed in DC).

But what you have been arguing is that "Dtrain is wrong when he says crime is going down." And that's completely incorrect. It's not even remotely arguable. Crime has been going down for well over 2 years now, and has been going down DRAMATICALLY. Murders are going to be down like 40% from 2022 this year (maybe close to 50%), violent crime is at 50 year lows, and property crime might be the lowest ever. @Uncoach's response to my commentary on Chicago was something on the order of "sure, it's going down from absurd highs in 2022 but that's just because it spiked so high." My dude Uncoach, Chicago homicides are going to be at their lowest since 1965 this year. I wasn't alive then, you may have been but it's close. 1965.

These might be inconvenient facts to you, but they remain facts. I continue to ask for anything rebutting them, and you offer nothing but yarns about your son (which also have stopped, probably because crime is down pretty bigly in NYC right now). It's OK that I was right, and the two of you were wrong. I get it ... real time data is not easy to track (but I found it and was tracking it).

Next year, Trump is going to be taking victory laps about historic crime lows. Enjoy them!
What did I tell you guys !

TDS 3.0 is an awful disease !
 

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What did I tell you guys !

TDS 3.0 is an awful disease !

Big Will, my post had basically nothing to do with Trump, but you deflected with a non-substantive response about Trump.

Also, what does it say when I say something like "I'm 75% in agreement with Trump" and your response is TDS? Is your brain that feeble?

I will await the numbers disputing my claim. From anyone. Anywhere.
 

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Willfull and moronic deflection on your part as usual. The person in the video is real. She is a real Dem who lives in DC for real. I will remind you of Malcolm X quote - “The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man.”
One woman that goes on TIK TOK. That is what I mean as clownish for you to repost.
 

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$100K/yr is in the top 20%-30% and $170K/yr is top 10%, so I guess it would depend on where someone draws lines, and you're right, a lot of people looking at someone else bringing in 2-3x what they are bringing in would consider them rich. I tend to think conflating income with wealth is a little suspect, but at least for now the federal government only has the power to tax us on income so the emphasis is on income. I think the 2025 standard deduction is about $30K for married filing jointly, and for those couples both over 65 with low enough income the extra $12K exemption would take that up 40% to $42k if my understanding is correct. I'm not taking SS and am not up on the specifics how the exemption above the first 15% rolls off with income, and whether/how the up to $12K OBBBA deduction for seniors factors into the SS tax liability calculation.
I believe that 80% of SS benefit is taxable as income. I also believe that the $6,000 ($12,000 couple) deduction is off of any income not just SS income, but that it decreases as you AGI increases, eventually down to a zero deduction at about $170,000.