I think it's convenient that anything good that happens with the economy from here forward you'll be able to say "This is due to DOGE and the savings it is creating."
Dept. of Government Efficiency - Elon/Vivek leading DOGE
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I think it's convenient that anything good that happens with the economy from here forward you'll be able to say "This is due to DOGE and the savings it is creating."
No. If you look at the Treasury secretary Bessent he said the following a couple weeks ago.
Asset prices are high so I don't think equity prices are a good barometer of our performance. I think the 10y yield will be a better barometer. If we focus on getting that lower the rest will take care of itself.
Additionally, Elon said that the 30y should start to come down as the DOGE savings are recognized and giving more credibility to the dollar. This jives with what i deem expected behavior.
THe primary objective of DOGE is to lower inflation. That is the end result that we are looking for. End inflation, stimulate growth.
Sure sure. I hear you. I want savings as well. Just think the amounts they've actually saved so far don't scratch the surface of enough to actually affect anything (top 5 previously posted savings were all removed since they were misleading). And the tax cuts are set to add to the deficit. So hard to fully buy this at the moment.
It would be interesting to see how many "farmers" actually farm their acreage. I was surprised years ago to learn that these "farmers" were actually leasing their land to big conglomerates like Pioneer seed. Were the subsidies just another way to benefit big business?
Are you aware that there are subsidies that pay farmers NOT to plant a field?
Yes, there are farm subsidy programs in the United States that have historically paid farmers not to plant crops, though the specifics have evolved over time. One of the most well-known examples is tied to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) programs that began during the Great Depression to stabilize agricultural markets and support farmers. Today, this concept is most closely associated with the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP), established in 1985.
Under the CRP, farmers are paid to take environmentally sensitive land out of active crop production and instead plant species that improve soil health, water quality, or wildlife habitats. Essentially, they’re compensated to "not plant" traditional crops like corn or wheat on that land. The payments are typically annual, based on rental rates for the land, and can last for 10-15 year contracts. In 2023, for example, the USDA reported that CRP enrolled about 23 million acres, with farmers receiving payments to maintain these conservation practices.
There’s also a historical precedent with programs like the Soil Bank in the 1950s and 60s, which directly paid farmers to leave land fallow to reduce surplus production. While that specific program no longer exists, the CRP is its modern equivalent in spirit, though it’s framed more around conservation than just production control.
Does that answer what you were looking for, or did you have a specific program or region in mind?
@dpic73
Ready to concede you are wrong here?
Well, well, well... Who do we have here?
These are the bottom-feeders responsible for sending Democrat plants to GOP town hall meetings to make it appear that Trump/MAGA folks are against DOGE.
Imagine being such ginormous scumbags that you use SOROS $$ to try and KNOWINGLY gaslight the country with lies.
This crap isn't going to fly - not anymore. Who TF do these bastards think they are?
Maybe the @FBI/@Kash_Patel or the @DOJ/@AGPamBondi needs to look into these creeps. They have had a free pass for too long.
Let's be crystal clear. These are actual traitors to the country, willfully conspiring with foreign enemies to undermine our Republic.
Ready to concede you are wrong here?
Well, well, well... Who do we have here?
These are the bottom-feeders responsible for sending Democrat plants to GOP town hall meetings to make it appear that Trump/MAGA folks are against DOGE.
Imagine being such ginormous scumbags that you use SOROS $$ to try and KNOWINGLY gaslight the country with lies.
This crap isn't going to fly - not anymore. Who TF do these bastards think they are?
Maybe the @FBI/@Kash_Patel or the @DOJ/@AGPamBondi needs to look into these creeps. They have had a free pass for too long.
Let's be crystal clear. These are actual traitors to the country, willfully conspiring with foreign enemies to undermine our Republic.
Wrong about what? Also, I don't get or trust news from Russian bots on Twitshit.
It was on fox news too. Paid protesters trying to fake unhappiness with Trump agenda.
Do you remember before the election when Project 2025 was in the news and polling showed it was exremely unpopular, including among Republicans? The outrage was so loud that Trump disavowed knowing anything about it and said he didn't agree with it, but now that it's being enacted by the book, those same Republicans are suddenly fine with it?
You don't think they have concerns about the firing of 6000 veterans, including essential services that impact them and other services that impact poor people in red states? Polling also shows that Elon is extremely unpopular so it's laughable to believe everyone showing up to those townhalls are dems from outside their district.
I think you misread the room in your first paragraph.
Republicans thought Project 2025 was extremely unpopular because it was someone else's agenda, not Trumps. It's not that they didn't like everything that was in Project 2025, it was just that it was someone else trying to control the narrative and that isn't what we wanted.
So, i think you misinterpret what happened. My $.02
That fits me. I didn't care about project 2025. I was more interested in what Trump/his campaign said. I thought that he tried to accomplish things his first term and he actually did accomplish the main thing to me which was to control our souther border. I thought that he would do better at doing what he said during 2.0 so that's what I focused on.
"About 33% of Republicans say they also view the plan negatively, with just 7% saying they have positive views of the plan, which Trump has criticized since Democrats ramped up efforts to tie him and Project 2025 together."
Voters who identify as "MAGA Republicans" reported viewing Project 2025 in a slightly more positive light, with 28% saying they held negative views and 9% saying they view the plan positively."
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Couldnt have said it better myself.
I'm growing increasingly confident backlash from Democrats against DOGE will backfire immensely.
Short term there's a lot of chaos and hate being thrown - mostly because of the chaotic nature of the process. But once results start to show up, it'll be a 180. No one on the left seriously believes DOGE and Trump admin will get rid of corruption, waste, and layers upon layers of bureaucracy.
Once those results start flowing through, it'll likely cripple the party to the point of no return.
These are the dying gasps of a party that nearly deleted the 1st amendment during COVID, covered up the cognitive decline of the president, covered up the insanity at the border, and forced one of the least popular candidates in history through a primary without a democratic process - amongst other gigantic failings.
I'm growing increasingly confident backlash from Democrats against DOGE will backfire immensely.
Short term there's a lot of chaos and hate being thrown - mostly because of the chaotic nature of the process. But once results start to show up, it'll be a 180. No one on the left seriously believes DOGE and Trump admin will get rid of corruption, waste, and layers upon layers of bureaucracy.
Once those results start flowing through, it'll likely cripple the party to the point of no return.
These are the dying gasps of a party that nearly deleted the 1st amendment during COVID, covered up the cognitive decline of the president, covered up the insanity at the border, and forced one of the least popular candidates in history through a primary without a democratic process - amongst other gigantic failings.
They have to start actually showing results. My mother in law, why is very conservative, is very concerned about the cuts. I've actually seen some posts on the local Baptist Church Facebook page asking for prayers for a member who is a Chaplain with the VA who has been fired as part of DOGE, those folks were pissed, and they are very,very pro Trump.
It all sounds great, until it starts to effect you or people that you know.
I think the strategy is to cut aggressively early. 1) Needs to be done 2) Needs time to work 3) 2 years until mid-terms.
The 2 years until mid-terms allows time for results to show and voters to forget the pain that some will go through. They are getting a 7 month paid severance. They have plenty of time to find a new job. Obama, Clinton, Bush all trimmed the federal workforce. This type of things happens all the time in the private sector, it's not that unusual.
No one is celebrating the individual losing their job. But we are celebrating the inefficiencies being cut. There will be some overlap there. But they got a fair severance package and time to get back on their feet.
I think a lot of Americans, republicans and democrats, are going to appreciate the results of Government efficiencies. If the results are good, its going to be very difficult for Democrats to run against in the future if all they do is kick and scream about the program.
My honest opinion is that Democrats like DOGE they are just pissed they didn't do it when they were in power. If they had done it while they were in power, they could have made the cuts their way. Instead they elected Joe Biden and forced Kammy on yall.
Democrats need a leader to have a come to Jesus talk with their voters. Their brand is taking heavy damage right now. They need a leader to coalesce around. Who will step up? Shapiro?
I sincerely want the democrat party to be better as competition gets better results for the citizens.
The challenge is that there aren't going to be any actual results by the midterm, particularly if people are getting 7 months severance.
If he loses enough people such as the local Baptist Church he is going to lose his majority in the House and Senate and nothing else of his agenda will get accomplished. I also think having Musk as the front line face is going to backfire since Musk does not come off well at all for most people. He's a dick without much charm, and his personal life is awful.
I don't disagree at all about Democrats and their need to recalibrate and move back towards the middle. They also need some new leaders who can present new ideas and goals. We need some younger leadership in both parties.
I even saw Jesse Watters complaining about them firing someone he knew and asking them to move slower haha.
We love our white collar crime, don't we folks?
Especially since we know this was done because Elon plans to start his own digital payment service. The conflicts of interest are just astounding.
How easy it is for a multi-billionaire, in line for a windfall to make a case for dis-enfranchising the little guy.
What they're doing won't make a dent in the deficit but it will create wide-spread destruction.
These are real people(who are being treated like ****) and real services that people rely on.
Brad Panovich Meteorologist
Today, probationary employees across NOAA and NWS(National Weather Service), including those in mission-essential roles, are being terminated. This is at places like the EMC(modeling center), Tsunami Warning Centers, Storm Prediction Center, the Hurricane Center, and local forecast offices. Many centers and offices had already lost people close to retirement with the early buyout programs.
Many of these centers and offices have been understaffed and underfunded for a long time already. Including locally, us not being able to add a local public Doppler radar which we have been working on since 2012. We can all agree we want to reduce fraud, waste, and be more efficient, but there is too much throwing the baby out with the bath water in these cases. I fear this will cause those that remained to be even more overworked and result in reduced services, including weather data that we all rely on to check the radar, satellite, and for me personally to build forecasts for you.
I don't have an easy answer but I want you to know what's happening in case you see things not working like they have in the past. None of this should be political and this post is not meant to be. The NWS was and is the most popular Federal agency and one of the few things both sides of the political spectrum all supported. I work closely with my colleagues at NOAA/NWS and I can't do my job without their help. Let's hope this gets reversed.
"I'm hearing from experts around the world about what the destruction of USAID is meaning: "a global health massacre," in the words of a doctor who has devoted her life to humanitarian work on the front lines. Millions of malnourished children left to starve. Pregnant women not getting micronutrients to prevent neural tube defects. Programs against schistosomiasis abandoned. HIV positive patients left without ARV's. Water no longer purified. Surveillance against Ebola and bird flu set back. TB patients unable to get medicine. I've long argued that USAID should be reformed, but this Trump/Musk demolition is cruel and incompetent and benefits China, while killing children just as wonderful as our own."
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Republicans are in no mood to simplify the tax code. Neither are many Dems.
It's not
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