Missing wide open receivers is not managing the game as GS would want him to.
EDIT: Losing because of Wimsatt
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Gary Turn-ova as many called him during poor outings. We had good or bad Gary each game.
He certainly had his growing pains in his early seasons too.
Take Wimsatt’s accuracy out of the picture, the game plan was not to throw today, it was to pulverize Indiana and choke them out of the game today. Which is what we did. They barely possessed the ball.
Our offense looked completely different today, no play action or pre-snap motion which has worked very well since the beginning of the year. I don’t believe Greg or KC even envisioned Wimsatt throwing for more than 75 yards today had he been on the mark accuracy wise. He did what was asked.
Our offense looked completely different today, no play action or pre-snap motion which has worked very well since the beginning of the year. I don’t believe Greg or KC even envisioned Wimsatt throwing for more than 75 yards today had he been on the mark accuracy wise. He did what was asked.
What was the final score? How many yards rushing did Gavin have? What is our record ? Most here were not expecting 6 wins already. The player Wimsatt can and will make these throws. we dropped 4-5 passes and he only attempted 12 total.
Gavin scored 3 TDs today.
Ran one in from 80 yards out.
How many RU QBs were capable of that?
Lucas maybe?
He does miss high in throws and needs to take some off the ball at times. But, we he has talent. As he gets experience & game slows down, I think he can correct some issues.
Some react like he's running the wild knight and has no threat to throw it. He has an arm & is much better than some give him credit for.
Ran one in from 80 yards out.
How many RU QBs were capable of that?
Lucas maybe?
He does miss high in throws and needs to take some off the ball at times. But, we he has talent. As he gets experience & game slows down, I think he can correct some issues.
Some react like he's running the wild knight and has no threat to throw it. He has an arm & is much better than some give him credit for.
Agreed it's nice to be in games and leading and not looking to change the channel before 1/2 time
You saying that Gavin has no arm talent is not what most of us are seeing. I'm seeing him reverting to a flawed delivery at times which today led to some high throws. I've also seen him be able to put it in tight windows on other throws. These threads have the feel of some posters comparing a still developing college kid to high level NFL talent in terms of expectations.
During the Ash years- I would DVR games and do the things my wife wanted to do- brunch, shopping, etc...plan to get home and just watch at my leisure, somehow hear the scores before getting that chance and just deleted more than half of them and never watched.
Flood years- as much as many, for good reason, very much dislike the man for what happened here...His games were usually pretty good and you always sort of felt you at least had a shot.
This year- when you really think about it- we have given Michigan their toughest game- and it would have been evn tougher if the Refs were not doing everything possible. And we gave Wisc a hell of a game.
I sort of feel OSU may fall right between those two games.
It is also amazing that we have given up more than 24 points only once
His ability to throw that 20-30 yard pass absolutely keeps defenses honest.
He does need to be more accurate, but if he were more accurate he'd be a top QB and we'd be a clear top 20 team. Hopefully he get's there.
Lol I did the same heard the score and delete. I honestly believe we could have beat or at least been within 1 score of UM. Wisky I feel we should have won that game. I have alot of anger with the refs in both games
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This is what tends to tick off a lot of fans- we all know what GW's flaws are. And we all hope and or feel these are correctable. Hell, look at this year compared to last year.
But what ticks us off is that some of the guys on the board act like 1) he is throwing to Larry Fitzgerald and Hines Ward. Our WR's are still not great. They are much better but there is usually very little separation and we drop a ton fork of passes right in our hands. 2) GW has thrown some amazing NFL level type passes in very important moments. 3) the kid is making great decisions. - throw away when needed, move around in the pocket and avoiding sacks, great running and he is a big reason for the lack of penalties on offense. - We are not jumping and the fact the kid has been able to use his feet to avoid trouble, our OL has no need to hold 4) The kid just does not turn the ball over
Give Wimsatt one of those UM tight ends and see how much better he looks.
Harrison Jr would make him look a hell of a lot better too.
To make it equal for Rutgers fans though, put any one of two of these guys on the team- Britt, Underwood, Carroo, Sanu - Hell, even if we had Bo on this team this year it would be a huge jump.
I dunno about this. I think Schiano would love to see 150 yards passing, and 150+ rushing as a team on a consistent basis. Winning with only 75 yards passing, let alone 39, is just not a way one would expect to win a game.
Now Wimsatt ran for 160 yards himself today, so that changes the equation, but I think Coach would like to see Wimsatt complete some more passes.
Big receivers would def help, but let's be real, he throws high a lot.
I think he's a pretty good QB now, I think he has the potential to be really good, but I'm not laying his high throws on the receivers.
Some of the rocket scientists on this board don't understand the concept of game planning. Rutgers didn't come into the game looking to pass. It was run to the ball down Indiana's throat to the point they choked, which IU did. Rutgers ran it 55 times compared to 12 passes.
If you can execute you're game plan to perfection, why deviate? Only a fool would do such a thing; plenty are on this board. Watch how the offended will respond quickly, and that's without naming names.
Heck, I still can't get past the OP as an OC and high level player seeing Gavin as a soft thrower as if its Vedral out there.
Gavin is playing pretty damn solid football for us, and is the best QB we’ve had since Nova.
Really a shame some of you are letting your emotions get in the way of enjoying our first 6 win season in 9 years.
Really a shame some of you are letting your emotions get in the way of enjoying our first 6 win season in 9 years.
Why? Three things will likely happen when you pass, and two are bad. Indiana couldn't stop the run, so you lean on it. The OC came from Minnesota, and the Gophers ran the ball all day with about 15 to 18 passes per game on average. You execute the plays according to the OC game plan.
And yet you defend that dummy who is bashing our QB who is a threat at anytime.
An expression that is clearly no longer in vogue amongst football coaches at the college (let alone the pro) level.
Last year Minny lost their starting QB 6 games into the season, prior to being injured, Tanner Morgan averaged well over 200 yards per game with a low of 157 yards. Morgan did come back for a game(a W vs Rutgers) and threw for 122 yards before getting hurt again in the next game. Down the stretch of the season Minny did see their backup QB throw for under 100 yards 3 times, and went 2-1 in those games, but also had a game where he threw for 300 yards, a win vs Nebraska. So did Ciarocca call a tight to the vest game after their starting QB went down? At times yes, but again, it was with their back up QB in the game.
Edit: in the bowl game Minny as a team threw for 138 yards as Morgan was back for that game, and both he and the back up played. So only twice down the stretch did they throw for under 100 yards, they went 1-1 in those games, with the win being vs 1-9 Northwestern. On the season they were 1-2 when throwing for under 100 yards.
Like I said, when Wimsatt himself runs for 140 yards, and the team runs for 300 yards, it changes the equation, but in general, I think Schiano and Ciarocca know that you need to be able to complete passes more often then we did today.
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He’s in his second year after being hurt and not being able to run last year. Improving as a passer this year from last. Has made some huge throws this year and is now running.
How many ints did Teel and Nova have.
Nobody has any patience and timing of this lost sucks. Made a bowl today and this is what u feel u need to post?
Man we have some real shorty fans boy
Ya, calling Wimsatt a "soft tosser" is some blind guy level analysis.
His problem is he makes overthrowing guys 20 yards down the field look easy.
for Rutgers to make it to next level College Football Team, some of these idiots needs to stop being Rutgers fans...
I’ve been pretty clear that Wimsatts inaccuracy is a problem. He had three bad overthrows today but I don’t endorse this post at all. He was brilliant in the wrong game and still enough of a threat in the passing game that they were game was there and he has a rocket arm just not an accurate one.
The expression may not be in vogue, but it's still in the back of a coach's mind. It doesn't mean you abandon throwing the ball. It just means the QB needs to be smart with his passes. The ball is the program.
Tanner Morgan was a seasoned vet. Not a fair comparison.
FYI: before today's game, Wimsatt was averaging 156 yards per game passing. Today's game plan didn't require Wimsatt to throw too often, so his average per game would take a hit. It's down to 142. Other than the Va. Tech and Indiana games, Wimsatt hadn't thrown for less than 146 yards in the other 6 games.
Northwestern: 163
Temple: 198
Va. Tech: 46
Michigan: 180
Wagner:146
Wisconsin: 181
Michigan State: 181
Indiana: 39
Wimsatt's ability to run is the "X" factor we haven't had in ages. This, along with Monangai, is why you're not forced to rely on passing for a ton of yards to win.
2-0 when throwing for under 50. Which is pretty interesting. Should be noted those are Wimsatt's best rushing games, running for 140 today, and 87 vs Va tech.The expression may not be in vogue, but it's still in the back of a coach's mind. It doesn't mean you abandon throwing the ball. It just means the QB needs to be smart with his passes. The ball is the program.
Tanner Morgan was a seasoned vet. Not a fair comparison.
FYI: before today's game, Wimsatt was averaging 156 yards per game passing. Today's game plan didn't require Wimsatt to throw too often, so his average per game would take a hit. It's down to 142. Other than the Va. Tech and Indiana games, Wimsatt hadn't thrown for less than 146 yards in the other 6 games.
Northwestern: 163
Temple: 198
Va. Tech: 46
Michigan: 180
Wagner:146
Wisconsin: 181
Michigan State: 181
Indiana: 39
Wimsatt's ability to run is the "X" factor we haven't had in ages. This, along with Monangai, is why you're not forced to rely on passing for a ton of yards to win.
So yes Rutgers is very willing to lean heavy on the run when the game play allows it, and in general we are very much a run first team. Still and I think you would agree, coming up, against a very tough run of teams, we will need more from the passing game then sub 50 yards if we hope to pull out a few more wins.
I don't know why you're trying to personalize this; it's not like you. I'm not whining at all. It's great we won. It's clear the game plan was to run the ball down Indiana's throats and we did that. But it's not unreasonable to ask whether we could beat other teams with a similar game plan. I agree the OP didn't do it in a good way, but we all should be used to the fact that people on chatboards do not express themselves with (how shall we say?) sufficient nuance.
can make all the throws means he has the arm to hit wide-side outs, long balls, etc... with proper velocity.
it means he has the raw materials needed to make a good QB.
Sitkowski was one of those. Even though he'd throw to the wrong team more than acceptable. Vedral was not someone who could make all the throws.
Wimsatt is one of those. But he needs a lot of coaching and practice. In fact, until he can throw a proper screen pass.. I cannot say he can make ALL the throws. He can make the most difficult throws.
But.. consider Vedral. Weak arm.. and still could not throw a screen pass.
Our inability to execute screen passes is quite baffling.
Completely disagree. The Free Board is a vital component to the overall success of the Knight Report.
RU also controlled the clock better with running - 15 minutes more than Indiana (approx 37.38 to 22.22 - practically an Army game). Announcers were remarking how long Indianna offense was off the field
Thanks for your thoughtful response. Yes, a lot of teams have QBs run as well as pass. This old fogey (me) thinks it's a mistake. Yes, Wimsatt is as big as a running back and at least as good an athlete, but, as you agree, the consequences of having a dinged QB are much worse than a dinged RB.
I wasn't trying to suggest that complaints like the OP's help in enjoying the game -- but they are part of being a fan. There's a certain masochistic element in being a fan -- even when we enjoy a win, we worry about the next game. That said, people are right in being upset that the OP talks as though there were no positives in Wimsatt's and the team's performance.
This - if GW was more accurate he would have been 8-12 for maybe 60-75 yds. We did not win in spite of him. We won because of him meaning he executed the game plan (play keep away from IU) and also was a major contributor as leading rusher/ 3 TDs.
On a side note, in a vacuum @Knightshift response to OP might seem to be harsh. But to anyone who has read OP posts on this site of constant droning negativity, he was spot on in his response.
Mike Teel is the only former player I can think of who won a state championship as an OC. You said earlier he is not Teel!
I don’t think you are Teel but need to ask. Thread can’t get any dumber, or maybe it can. lol.
We see ex Generals on news shows with dumb takes all the time. Hilarious when loser posters pound the table with their credentials when they are dead wrong.