End of SHU rivalry?

[Pirate143]

It’s amazing that the RU fans are so high minded. I do not understand that view, certainly not based upon basketball results. Head to head we have the upper hand, have been to more ncaa tournaments and a championship game. And let’s not start throwing shad on the quality of education, given that your AD is one of our grads.

IMO you should have been safely in with a 10 or 11 seed. I like the group, your big man is a pro and enjoy the defensive effort and energy. The Ls against the bottom B10 teams in Feb hurt more than the L to us in Dec. last year, the L to us did not have an impact…. Both just have to win more games.

Cheers

 

[bethlehemfan]

Look at all these shu weirdos

 

[Pirate143]

Look at all these shu retards.

Whenever you ant to compare balance sheets, lmk

 

[bethlehemfan]

Whenever you ant to compare balance sheets, lmk

Speak much ??

 

[Joey Bags]

Lol and who are we going to replace them with ******* Fairfield?

Keep SHU, they are decent more than they are not.

 

[Pirate143]

Whenever you ant to compare balance sheets, lmk

We can compare from my season FBall tickets that I am glad to attend and wear my Red for our State team. Really, no need for name calling. I’m in my 60s and love cheering you guys on expect for the games we play head to head. I’m just reading various boards while killing time waiting for the NIT show. Have a good evening.

 

[The RUT]

End it. Committee just showed you there’s no value to it.

Take all the teams in the top 25 right now and schedule them to fill up your OCC. Throw in a couple cupcakes to get 4-6 OOC wins.

Lose the other games.

Go 11-9 in the B1G.

Boom tournament team. Probably a 8/9 seed.

Your record doesn’t matter. They don’t care about it.

 

[Mr Magoo_rivals90743]

I don’t mind keeping them because sadly they wind up being about our toughest OOC game. However, I really couldn’t care less if we ever play them again. This year’s game just didn’t feel the way they had previously, even before we stunk up the place. We’re not in same league anymore and both teams recruit more nationally than within NJ anymore, so it doesn’t seem to mean as much. What was really strange was it was the first time in a long time that we were favored (progress!) and I think that actually sucked away some of the energy from the players and fans.

 

[William J. Leggett]

Btw I have nothing against shu. Just no benefit to ru.

I said it years ago… Just like PSU wouldn’t play PITT and a bunch of other programs trading home/home.

There is NO benefit playing the game. We are in the better conference perception wise, have way more resources/money/better facilities.

We have the recruting edge.

We win the game “we were supposed to” we lose it and it’s an upset or bad loss and gives them a narrative to recruit with. Willard left for a reason…

The question still hasn’t been answered….

What is the UPSIDE (for Rutgers) of playing the game against SHU? Beating them helps us how?? What does beating them give us that we don’t already have over them now?

They on the otherhand have everything to gain….

I love the rivalry and fan interest…. Program benefit?? Don’t see it..

IF SHU and their fans want the game so bad….. 3 RAC for 1 MSG.

 

[The RUT]

I don’t mind keeping them because sadly they wind up being about our toughest OOC game. However, I really couldn’t care less if we ever play them again. This year’s game just didn’t feel the way they had previously, even before we stunk up the place. We’re not in same league anymore and both teams recruit more nationally than within NJ anymore, so it doesn’t seem to mean as much. What was really strange was it was the first time in a long time that we were favored (progress!) and I think that actually sucked away some of the energy from the players and fans.

We’ve passed them by. That’s why.

They could come to the RAC and win, they could have a better year, etc etc. it doesn’t matter.

Rutgers as an athletics program across the board has passed the Hall by.

It’s no longer two instate teams from the same conference battling out. It’s a large state university playing it’s small mid major neighbor.

 

[bethlehemfan]

I said it years ago… Just like PSU wouldn’t play PITT and a bunch of other programs trading home/home.

There is NO benefit playing the game. We are in the better conference perception wise, have way more resources/money better facilities.

We have the recruting edge.

We win the game “we were supposed to” we lose it and it’s an upset or bad loss and gives them a narrative to recruit with. Willard left for a reason…

The question still hasn’t been answered…. What is the UPSIDE of playing the game against SHU? Beating them helps us how?? What does beating them give us that we don’t already have over them now?

They on the otherhand have everything to gain….

I love the rivalry and fan interest…. Program benefit?? Don’t see it..

100%. It’s got nothing to do with seton hall. It’s just the reality

 

[Colbert17!]

We should be playing both Seton Hall and Princeton every year and we should not be the reason that either game isn't played.
Was the loss a factor in not making the tournament? Yes but not as big as the Minnesota loss or losing by double digits to middle of the road teams in supposedly the toughest venue in college basketball.
I hate to say this but I have to agree with the visiting SHU fans here. It sounds like some of you guys are afraid to play them because they're too tough.
I'd rather we get rid of some of the Coppin St. games and replace them with a couple of mid majors. Oh wait. We can't do that. We might lose to them. That's small time thinking.

 

[bethlehemfan]

We should be playing both Seton Hall and Princeton every year and we should not be the reason that either game isn't played.
Was the loss a factor in not making the tournament? Yes but not as big as the Minnesota loss or losing by double digits to middle of the road teams in supposedly the toughest venue in college basketball.
I hate to say this but I have to agree with the visiting SHU fans here. It sounds like some of you guys are afraid to play them because they're too tough.
I'd rather we get rid of some of the Coppin St. games and replace them with a couple of mid majors. Oh wait. We can't do that. We might lose to them. That's small time thinking.

No we shouldn’t play either one imo.

 

[Colbert17!]

No we shouldn’t play either one imo.

We disagree

 

[MADHAT1]

Lets just schedule the OCC with programs that RU should easily beat and hope to do well in B1G play.
Rivalries are for the fans, the program needs to win every OCC game whether the fans want to se e the programs on the OOC schedule.

Hate to say it, but dropping the hall seems like a knee jerk reaction because Rutgers didn't get to dance and someone needs to be blamed for that.
Let's make sure RU never faces Temple again and tells the U that they are not allowed.
Every OCC program Rutgers loses to must be banned and every tourney must have weak field or RU won't go..

 

[The RUT]

We disagree

That’s fine, but they should be considered the cupcakes from a scheduling perspective.

In other words, you’re playing them instead of a Merrimack.

Then you need to fill out the rest with top teams.

If you lose that Princeton or SHU game then you likely aren’t making the tournament. Assuming you’re 10-10/11-9 in the B1G

 

[William J. Leggett]

Lets just schedule the OCC with programs that RU should easily beat and hope to do well in B1G play.
Rivalries are for the fans, the program needs to win every OCC game whether the fans want to se e the programs on the OOC schedule.

Hate to say it, but dropping the hall seems like a knee jerk reaction because Rutgers didn't get to dance and someone needs to be blamed for that.
Let's make sure RU never faces Temple again and tells the U that they are not allowed.
Every OCC program Rutgers loses to must be banned and every tourney must have weak field or RU won't go..

Nahhh… Let’s schedule SDSU, Nevada, NCSTATE, Boise State, Kansas State, TCU, Texas, Memphis, Virginia, WVU… I could name a shitload of teams that would be more interesting and also allow us to expand our national recruiting.

Again… What does playing and beating them do for Rutgers?? What does Rutgers get? Bragging rights we already own??? What is the benefit?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Makes complete sense. Outside of fan interest what is the benefit in playing the game?

Use that space to schedule another power 5 team if the committee will not look at the game with context.

Does not fan interest matter?

 

[William J. Leggett]

Does not fan interest matter?

We aren’t talking about that… We are talking about WHAT does it do to HELP the program?

Nothing… It only gives SHU an opportunity to elevate their narrative. It’s the truth. The fact that so many of theirs fans WANT the game is proof. It helps validate them. No one outside of NJ gives a rats *** if we beat them.

If we stop playing them they don’t have the opportunity to change the narrative and the cards now stacked against them with all the built in advantages we now have.

It’s like when Joe Pa wouldn’t play Rutgers or other teams 1 v 1 outside of the B1G. Risk vs reward…

 

[brookdale-soda]

It’s amazing that the RU fans are so high minded. I do not understand that view, certainly not based upon basketball results. Head to head we have the upper hand, have been to more ncaa tournaments and a championship game. And let’s not start throwing shad on the quality of education, given that your AD is one of our grads.

IMO you should have been safely in with a 10 or 11 seed. I like the group, your big man is a pro and enjoy the defensive effort and energy. The Ls against the bottom B10 teams in Feb hurt more than the L to us in Dec. last year, the L to us did not have an impact…. Both just have to win more games.

Cheers

He's right on all accounts. Besides, this game is big for fans and for NJ basketball. It would be nice if the game grew and SHU opened up the Prudential center seating so that RU fans can buy some tix too. Let North Jersey pick a team and let the series grow.

 

[Mr Magoo_rivals90743]

He's right on all accounts. Besides, this game is big for fans and for NJ basketball. It would be nice if the game grew and SHU opened up the Prudential center seating so that RU fans can buy some tix too. Let North Jersey pick a team and let the series grow.

Seton Hall will never do that. Even another reason to let it die.

 

[brookdale-soda]

Seton Hall will never do that. Even another reason to let it die.

Eventually, They're going to have to, to keep the series. It's in their best interest. $$$$$

 

[William J. Leggett]

Seton Hall will never do that. Even another reason to let it die.

The fact that they WONT open it up to allow more FANS and the fact they ducked us the other year and wouldn’t play the game when we had one of our best teams says it all…

SHU looks at this games as a way to validate or change the narrative to HELP their program.

They don’t give a **** about the fans of the rivalry and they certainly don’t give a crap about Rutgers.

 

[Doctor Worm]

We aren’t talking about that… We are talking about WHAT does it do to HELP the program?

Nothing… It only gives SHU an opportunity to elevate their narrative. It’s the truth. The fact that so many of theirs fans WANT the game is proof. It helps validate them. No one outside of NJ gives a rats *** if we beat them.

If we stop playing them they don’t have the opportunity to change the narrative and the cards now stacked against them with all the built in advantages we now have.

It’s like when Joe Pa wouldn’t play Rutgers or other teams 1 v 1 outside of the B1G. Risk vs reward…

Seton Hall is generally good. A win over them, especially on the road, most certainly helps the program. Losing at home does not.

 

[William J. Leggett]

Seton Hall is generally good. A win over them, especially on the road, most certainly helps the program. Losing at home does not.

I’d rather play UCLA, USC, Texas, Kansas any of the ACC, SEC or B12 actually.

We are recruiting nationally… Playing any of those programs/teams in those conferences gives us MUCH more upside. They open up other ecruiting areas and I would argue that the perception of any of those programs is better nationally.

Honestly… If there is a NJ, NY or Northeast kid that we want and so does SHU…. 9 out of 10 times were are going to win their battle right now with all the advantages we have. If we keep playing them and losing the game, we are only going to stymie those advantages. If we keep playing and winning the game it does little to actually help.

 

[burtmanjack]

The insecurity here is palpable, and it is embarrassing.

Everyone who is talking crap about SHU (mid-major, passed them by, lesser conference) talks tough, but the fact of the matter is that the rest of the Big Ten - a football conference at heart— thinks that RU is a joke and the red headed stepchild.

And yes, let’s demonstrate our brilliance by making an embarrassingly weak OOC even weaker. Genius stuff there.

 

[Colbert17!]

I'm a bit of a dinosaur. I still think that rivalries are an important part of college sports.

 

[Colbert17!]

Also puzzling that some of our fans see SHU as a mid major. Is Villanova a mid major? Is UConn a mid major? Is Marquette a mid major?
What makes SHU a mid major?

 

[burtmanjack]

I’d rather play UCLA, USC, Texas, Kansas any of the ACC, SEC or B12 actually.

We are recruiting nationally… Playing any of those programs/teams in those conferences gives us MUCH more upside. They open up other ecruiting areas and I would argue that the perception of any of those programs is better nationally.

Honestly… If there is a NJ, NY or Northeast kid that we want and so does SHU…. 9 out of 10 times were are going to win their battle right now with all the advantages we have. If we keep playing them and losing the game, we are only going to stymie those advantages. If we keep playing and winning the game it does little to actually help.

And you think that’s who Piekell would replace them with?

 

[William J. Leggett]

The insecurity here is palpable, and it is embarrassing.

Everyone who is talking crap about SHU (mid-major, passed them by, lesser conference) talks tough, but the fact of the matter is that the rest of the Big Ten - a football conference at heart— thinks that RU is a joke and the red headed stepchild.

And yes, let’s demonstrate our brilliance by making an embarrassingly weak OOC even weaker. Genius stuff there.

The insecurity of the SHU fans is obvious… No one is saying dump SHU and put Piscataway HS on the schedule…

I’m saying dump SHU and put Virginia on or Baylor or Gonzaga…

 

[burtmanjack]

The insecurity of the SHU fans is obvious… No one is saying dump SHU and put Piscataway HS on the schedule…

I’m saying dump SHU and put Virginia on or Baylor or Gonzaga…

Talk about no upside. Why would any of those schools want to play Rutgers? Unless Rutgers wants a payday to go on the road.

Trust me, if you want to improve the OOC you should be replacing other joke schools and supplementing the SHU game.

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

And you think that’s who Piekell would replace them with?

Lol let’s just snap our fingers and get Kansas on the schedule

 

[bethlehemfan]

The insecurity here is palpable, and it is embarrassing.

Everyone who is talking crap about SHU (mid-major, passed them by, lesser conference) talks tough, but the fact of the matter is that the rest of the Big Ten - a football conference at heart— thinks that RU is a joke and the red headed stepchild.

And yes, let’s demonstrate our brilliance by making an embarrassingly weak OOC even weaker. Genius stuff there.

Let’s get back to facts. Big ten is one of the best conferences in the Country for bball. Big East is a mid major and shu is a mid level mid major. There is no benefit for rutgers to play mid major mid level teams. It’s not talking crap about shu it’s just reality. For RU there is no benefit

 

[William J. Leggett]

And you think that’s who Piekell would replace them with?

I am a confident he would replace them with some better as you are he won’t.

Neither of us with certainty can say what he would do BUT…. If he dumped SHU and scheduled another cupcake I certainly call him out on it. But… I would like to see us schedule a program that provides us an opportunity to HELP elevate ourselves. SHU doesn’t do that…

 

[FinalFourOrBust_rivals142702]

Also puzzling that some of our fans see SHU as a mid major. Is Villanova a mid major? Is UConn a mid major? Is Marquette a mid major?
What makes SHU a mid major?

Only our fanbase would look down on a team that beat us the last two years and was an 8 seed last year. When’s the last time we were an 8 seed?

 

[Doctor Worm]

Also puzzling that some of our fans see SHU as a mid major. Is Villanova a mid major? Is UConn a mid major? Is Marquette a mid major?
What makes SHU a mid major?

The mistaken belief that the Big East is not a power conference.

 

[Colbert17!]

Could never understand why there isn't a NJ Classic preseason tournament with the eight D1 programs in the state. Seed the teams 1 through 8 and guarantee three games for each team. there are some logistics to work out but not that difficult to do.

 

[William J. Leggett]

Let’s get back to facts. Big ten is one of the best conferences in the Country for bball. Big East is a mid major and shu is a mid level mid major. There is no benefit for rutgers to play mid major mid level teams. It’s not talking crap about shu it’s just reality. For RU there is no benefit

Especially ones that overlap our recruiting areas that we already have huge advantages over… This isn’t the 80’s anymore.

 

[burtmanjack]

Also puzzling that some of our fans see SHU as a mid major. Is Villanova a mid major? Is UConn a mid major? Is Marquette a mid major?
What makes SHU a mid major?

White impoverished sharecroppers were the most racist faction of a racist society in the post-civil war south. Same reason.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Especially ones that overlap our recruiting areas that we already have huge advantages over… This is the 80’s anymore.

Shu fans should have something better tonight to do