First American Pope.....Ever!....

[mstateglfr]

I pay taxes. I give to charity. I believe I'm following that rule. I don't feel like the government should over-collect from me what I don't fairly owe, and I damn sure don't believe they should then take that money and support unrighteous causes.

I agree with you- overcollecting taxes shouldnt happen. You shouldnt pay more than what you fairly owe.

But those are nebulous terms. 'Shouldnt' and 'fairly' are totally undefinable because they change from congress to congress and administration to administration.
Same with 'unrighteous causes'. What you feel is unrighteous may be righteous to someone else who has power to pass tax laws.

This is similar to the whole BS performative governing from a couple months ago- claiming 'fraud and abuse' in programs where there was 0 known fraud or abuse, at least based on the actual definitions of those words. It was just a bunch of programs or initiatives that the people currently in power disliked. OK then, cut the spending you dont support. Calling it 'fraud and abuse' or 'waste' was just catering to the emotional folk who like to rage over those buzzwords.

You support that which you view as fair and you want to end that which you view as unfair. Well yeah, same with everyone else. The issue is that not everyone agrees.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

Jesus what a thread

 

[was21]

Of all our topics, religion threads are my favorite.

Two subjects that should never be discussed on message boards ( or probably anywhere else) are #1 Politics and #2 Religion. Both are live wires and usually there is no discussion, just arguments. Talk is cheap.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Two subjects that should never be discussed on message boards ( or probably anywhere else) are #1 Politics and #2 Religion. Both are live wires and usually there is no discussion, just arguments. Talk is cheap.

I’ll pray for your voting

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Not quite. The doctrine is infallible when speaking ex Cathedra on matters of faith. Not just infallible period. But let's be honest. We all know that's impossible just like the rest of it.

I'm extremely aware of all of that. As I already stated, I was taking issue with the idea that a pope can commit "heresy," not taking with issue with the idea that the pope can be wrong generally.

 

[L4Dawg]

WSJ article today: he has Creole roots in NOLA. Maternal grand parents lived in the 7th ward. He had a great grandmother baptized in the cathedral in NOLA.

 

[Dawg Raid]

All that matters is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for mine and your sins and was raised from the dead to give life to all who call on Him, the rest of it is secondary.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

All that matters is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for mine and your sins and was raised from the dead to give life to all who call on Him, the rest of it is secondary.

That's a very Protestant sentence.

 

[Dawg Raid]

That's a very Protestant sentence.

Thank you!

 

[Villagedawg]

Yes, I quoted that from Jesus, but what's your point? Do you somehow interpret that as "the government can take all my money and do whatever they want"...? Because that's not what it means at all.

I pay taxes. I give to charity. I believe I'm following that rule. I don't feel like the government should over-collect from me what I don't fairly owe, and I damn sure don't believe they should then take that money and support unrighteous causes.

He said give Caesar what is his. Give the world what belongs to the world. These things aren’t important to us. The kingdom is at hand. You used it to somehow mean be a good citizen and obey the government. Therefore, do whatever Caesar tells you to do. Pay taxes. Caesar decides how those taxes are used. Not you.

he asked whose picture is on this coin? Caesars. Then let him have it. This isn’t our concern. It doesn’t say render unto Caesar unless you don’t like what Caesar does with it.

 

[GloryDawg]

I know a lot of you guys like to quote scripture and some of you do it quite well. So what does the Bible say about a country's right to maintain borders and regulate movement in and out of it's territory ?

The bible doesn't concern itself with that because every city built from after the flood had walls. Cities were countries.

 

[Pars]

I mean this is the first hit on a google search

30 Bible Verses About Immigration, Refugees, and Foreigners - Powerful Scripture Quotes

Although the Bible does not give a complete set of guidelines for immigration, it does give us some specific commandments on how to treat others, including refugees, that can lead to an understanding of God’s view on this issue. Use these Scriptures to study God's love for all.

www.biblestudytools.com

 

[Podgy]

GTHOM. I'm Catholic and I haven't heard our new Pope say that's no longer acceptable so I should be good.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Interesting. Never figured that would happen.

The Pope's first mass in America is gonna be LIT! Just lead with Lee Greenwood singing "God Bless the USA"

 

[L4Dawg]

I mean this is the first hit on a google search

30 Bible Verses About Immigration, Refugees, and Foreigners - Powerful Scripture Quotes

Although the Bible does not give a complete set of guidelines for immigration, it does give us some specific commandments on how to treat others, including refugees, that can lead to an understanding of God’s view on this issue. Use these Scriptures to study God's love for all.

www.biblestudytools.com

As I said above. Good link.

 

[onewoof]

All that matters is Jesus Christ and Him crucified for mine and your sins and was raised from the dead to give life to all who call on Him, the rest of it is secondary.

Without the church, you are a lost sheep. Disordered and in disarray. Believe it or not, the Bible did not in fact fall from the heavens 500 years ago to answer all questions and give order to every single facet of life. And Jesus never intended it to be just "you and him and the Bible".

 

[Dawg Raid]

Without the church, you are a lost sheep. Disordered and in disarray. Believe it or not, the Bible did not in fact fall from the heavens 500 years ago to answer all questions and give order to every single facet of life. And Jesus never intended it to be just "you and him and the Bible".

I believe this. I didn’t say it wasn’t important, I said it was secondary.

 

[onewoof]

I believe this. I didn’t say it wasn’t important, I said it was secondary.

There are over 2000 years of the deposit of faith that Christians inherit. We saw one these examples last week. There are many more and there are entire libraries full of wisdom. Thankfully we don't have to rely on our on wisdom and pride.

 

[leeinator]

Jesus predicted to the first Pope (The Apostle Peter) that he would deny him 3 times before the cock crows when confronted by the Romans and others if he knew or followed Jesus. Peter said no way he would deny Jesus, but yet he did 3 times just as Jesus said he would. Of course Jesus later forgave Peter and claimed he would build his church upon this rock (referring to Peter the rock). Thus, the beginning of the church. We've gone from that to an avid White Sox fan as Pope! Amazing!

 

[horshack.sixpack]

He is expected to continue the work of Francis. Trump won't be happy with that.

Yeah, that whole standing up for the marginalized sounds just like something Christ would do. Terrible.***

 

[johnson86-1]

Yes, I'm using the actual definition of an "open border" and they're using... something else?

I'd be interested in who else uses "open border" to describe a situation where you can freely make a day trip into and out of a country, but cannot migrate there or even stay the night without some serious restrictions that most people can't meet. It's not an obviously false use of those words, but I don't know that anybody uses "open border" to mean that unless they are being disingenuous.

If the president announced tomorrow that we now would have an open border with Mexico, it doesn't mean we would have to knock down the existing border walls, pave over the Rio Grande, etc., and let people cross at literally any point along the border. It just means we would stop checking people's documents at the border. Mississippi has an open border with Arkansas, but there are only a few roads you can actually take to utilize that border, and if you try to cross on someone's private property, you can still get in trouble.

All of this is kinda moot because I highly doubt Leo XIV has ever advocated for the US and Mexico to have Schengen style borders. But if he has, he wouldn't be a hypocrite.

 

[Darryl Steight]

I'd be interested in who else uses "open border" to describe a situation where you can freely make a day trip into and out of a country, but cannot migrate there or even stay the night without some serious restrictions that most people can't meet. It's not an obviously false use of those words, but I don't know that anybody uses "open border" to mean that unless they are being disingenuous.

... and receive free hotel rooms and a cell phone and get to vote and a drivers license and free healthcare etc etc etc

 

[BulldogBlitz]

It would seem that Pope Leo XIV should be leading the cause to reform Peru's border policy since they required him to get citizenship there.