FLO Rankings 12-9-2025 Ohio State #1
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Penn State wrestling rankings update: Where are the Lions afte beating Drexel and Lehigh?
Penn State wrestlers are on the move in the latest rankings after beating Drexel and Lehigh without all of their starters.
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That’s the difference between a great team and a great program. Ryan in the makeup chair in anticipation of his flo mini documentary-OUTRANKED. His self-awarded Oscar will be on display in Covelli.The banner is going up in Covelli Center as we speak.
Flo did a write up on this as well.Penn State wrestling rankings update: Where are the Lions afte beating Drexel and Lehigh?
Penn State wrestlers are on the move in the latest rankings after beating Drexel and Lehigh without all of their starters.www.on3.com
Psu vulnerable after they squeaked by drexel and Lehigh...
PSU stock down...
Wow, 3 pages of back and forth rankings banter and no mention of Iowa, I find it refreshing.
It also brings back memories when wife and I were waiting in line at nationals to get into session 1 a few years back in Cleveland. We got stuck amongst a hoard of tO$U fans. We talked a bit and I had the insight to leave them with 1 warning, "I guess it's yours to lose."
memories, memories.
It also brings back memories when wife and I were waiting in line at nationals to get into session 1 a few years back in Cleveland. We got stuck amongst a hoard of tO$U fans. We talked a bit and I had the insight to leave them with 1 warning, "I guess it's yours to lose."
memories, memories.
“We removed Josh Barr from the rankings this week due to inactivity. Barr hasn’t wrestled since the 2025 NCAA Tournament, and we typically use the CKLV as the cutoff for inactive wrestlers,” Jon Kazak writes for FLO.
If it's Kazak, who's this @Kozak fella?
If Barr doesn't go Mirosola finishes top 8 so I think the boys will be alright.
Cael also has a couple bullets left in the chamber if they are needed which they are not needed
Cael also has a couple bullets left in the chamber if they are needed which they are not needed
And they inserted Connor Mirasola at #11 because "DeAnthony Parker (#12) is the best win of his career so far."
Conveniently, just behind Luke Geog of tOSU who is #10. Still searching for the best win of his career that is close to top 10. Poznanski? Rogotzke? Well, he's lost (big) to a lot of good guys, I guess that works for them.
FLO team is about click-bait and trolling a lot of the time. They were assuredly excited to make the numbers work so they could get their headline and a lot of discussion about it online (3 page thread here so far). I have no doubt that rankings article generated more clicks by a large amount than anything else they posted this week. That's their job.
If Nic B. has a pinners chance why only a dec. against Luke?
10 minutes after new rankings came out Tom Ryan awards Tom Ryan the December 2025 Team Championship Trophy. Will be displayed next to the November 2025 Team Dual Championship Trophy. Ryan files petition with NCAA to end season now.
Geog has pretty similar best wins to Mirasola's Deanthony Parker win - Sollars (also rd 12 last year), Andy Smith (rd of 12 two years ago).
You could argue Mirasola deserves to be ahead of Geog and I'd be fine with that. But Mirasola is 10 right now, Geog is 9. You get the same amount of team points for wrestlers ranked 9-12, so it wouldn't change the team rankings at all.
Mirasola should wrestle Joey Novak on Friday, if he wins there, he'll move up and Penn State will be back at number 1. And all will be right with the world.
The real problem is that Flo doesn't rank the 11th wrestler: Bonus Points.
That's fair - I appreciate y'alls passion lol
I really like how @Wrestleknownothing projects tournament points based on past results from seed performances. It's not perfect, but it's probably a closer projection than what we use.
Sollars? Two years ago who wrestlestat has at 67? lol. His best win ever was #14 John Poznanski who retire because of HEW.
He’s way overranked. Should be 15 or so at best. Maybe 14
Here’s his wrestlestat (they don’t even list him as starter). Who did he beat to get into top 10?
WrestleStat | Luke Geog (Ohio State) Profile
www.wrestlestat.com
18-16 us.... a lot would have to go right for Ohio State.... really feel like i cannot see all 3 blaze, LL, Duke and Roco all losing. Nagao yes... the rest... maybe 1 of the 4... worst case 2 of the 4.... no way all 4 of those 4 lose.
And if just 1 of those 4 win... that is now 21-13 us. if 2 of the 4... it turns into 24-10 us... 3 of the 4 and we are looking at 27-7
we can go with the middle of the pack and 24-10 or 23 10.. is very realistic...
JMO
Not sure where to put this, but picked here since @WillieTheBrain once worked at FLO. Apropos of nothing but nice acoustic guitar and harmonies, I came across what has to be Willie in a former life. I mean, honestly, just shave the lead singer’s head and tell me that ain’t him. Now, about that Lion/Buckeye dual score . . .
Josh introduced Poznanski to the HEW entrance and in less than 2 minutes shoved him through to the other end.Sollars? Two years ago who wrestlestat has at 67? lol. His best win ever was #14 John Poznanski who retire because of HEW.
He’s way overranked. Should be 15 or so at best. Maybe 14
Here’s his wrestlestat (they don’t even list him as starter). Who did he beat to get into top 10?
WrestleStat | Luke Geog (Ohio State) Profile
Wrestlestat is one of my favorite wrestling resources, bar none.
As for the algorithm, ELO Chess has limitations, with the biggest weaknesses being it seems to lack a recency bias, placing to much or at least weight on matches that happened 2 years ago. What a kid did this month is much more indicative of how he is performance than what he did the last year or before. There also seems to be lack of a heavier weighting assigned to head to head matchups.
Do I think WS could be a far better predictor with some different math behind the algorithm? Absolutely and I wish he would explore several options. Simply test them with prior years' data to validate the impact.
Here is what GROK had to say
"For one-on-one sports like tennis or wrestling, where direct matchups are central but not everyone competes against everyone else, the Bradley-Terry model stands out as a strong alternative to Elo. It's particularly well-suited if you want to emphasize head-to-head records more directly, as it fits a probabilistic model to the entire dataset of pairwise outcomes at once, rather than updating ratings sequentially like Elo (which can dilute the impact of older matches over time).
Why Bradley-Terry Over Elo?
Core Mechanism: The model estimates a "strength" parameter for each player such that the probability of player A beating player B is strength_A / (strength_A + strength_B). This is similar to Elo's logistic expectation but computed via maximum likelihood estimation across all matches simultaneously.
Head-to-Head Emphasis: It directly incorporates the full history of wins and losses between any pair of players. If two competitors have faced off multiple times, those results heavily influence their relative strengths in the global ranking—more so than in Elo, where past games are baked into current ratings but can be overshadowed by recent performances against others. You can also weight matches by recency or importance (e.g., major tournaments) to customize it.
Handling Incomplete Data: In sports like tennis or wrestling, where schedules are sparse, it accounts for the network of results transitively (e.g., if A beats B and B beats C, it infers something about A vs. C) while prioritizing actual head-to-head data where available.
Advantages: It's statistically robust, scalable for large player pools, and has been used or adapted in contexts like ranking Smash Bros. players91a9fe, horse racing, and academic sports analyses580b9dcae9d9. Unlike Elo, which is "online" (real-time updates), Bradley-Terry is "batch" processed, making it ideal for end-of-season rankings or recalculating with full historical data67cc7cf9c075.
Drawbacks: It's computationally more intensive for very large datasets (though efficient algorithms exist2563d2), and it doesn't inherently handle uncertainty or player improvement over time as elegantly as extensions like generalized Bradley-Terry models50d15ee88f0b.
Other Strong Alternatives
If Bradley-Terry doesn't fit, consider these, which also address Elo's limitations in varying ways:
Glicko-2: An extension of Elo that adds a rating deviation (uncertainty) and volatility factor. It values head-to-head through updates but better handles inactive players or sparse data. Used in some online gaming and chess variants33e7e9968053.
TrueSkill: A Bayesian system (from Microsoft) that's probabilistic like Bradley-Terry but includes skill uncertainty. It's great for 1v1 and can emphasize recent head-to-head by design. Commonly used in esports and adaptable to sportsd31cb567bf2e7624b7.
Points-Based Systems (e.g., ATP-Style for Tennis): Not purely algorithmic like the others, but rewards tournament performance with points scaled by event prestige. Head-to-head indirectly matters (it determines match winners), but the system emphasizes consistency and quality wins over direct rivalries. Used officially in tennis and similar to some wrestling federations' points for competitionsdb3489bf0417.
In practice, "best" depends on your goals—predictive accuracy, fairness, or incentives. For pure head-to-head valuation in a computational sense, start with Bradley-Terry. If implementing, libraries like Python's scipy or statsmodels can fit it via logistic regression on pairwise data."
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Long time - no see everybody! What's the word on this PSU squad? Top 5? Sounds like you guys have a few promising freshmen who might qualify for the tourney this year!
Agreed... and while I think they will keep some matches very close... it will still be 2 to 3 wins for them
On the other end... I feel like Nagao could keep it much closer that anticipated also and Cole can keep it close.,. that will help us to see his growth!
He was saying that those results are OSUs best case scenario… He is not far off for a everything goes right for OSU scenario..
All jokes aside, please explain AJ Ferrari as your #3 ranked wrestler at 285 but #5 ranked PFP wrestler, ahead of both guys he’s ranked behind of at 285.