FLO Rankings 12-9-2025 Ohio State #1
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Cael yeah!
And if they come back with P4P is more of a crystal ball, then why not Mitchell, Levi, PJ, Markus, Luke 1-5 ;-)
I just hope after this weekend we are ranked in the top 10.
Extra PFP points for the mohawk mullet.
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I subscribe to Flo but only use it for live feeds (which never work well). As a collective, they lack insightful wrestling knowledge and their articles are mostly just publishing results. If these are their ‘expert’ rankings then Flo needs to hire new people.
I'll take this one Kozak. He is pfp3 from past results and he is 285 5 because he moved up a weight from 197. Pretty simple.
My son told me a funny story about Billy strings. He was taking bluegrass guitar lessons from a very well-known guitarist, but the guy didn't have similar commercial success as Billie.
Billie was trying to get an endorsement from some big-time guitar string company and they just never got back to him so I reached out to his friend this guy called the company and before you know it Billie had an endorsement from them.
I have to ask my son who he was, I just can't recall it right now.
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You nailed it!
But in all seriousness, this happens pretty frequently, where a wrestler will be ranked lower in the p4p than in the weight class (VomBaur beatting Bartlett is a good example). In p4p we weigh a wrestler's career more heavily than recent results. Ferrari has 3 career losses, so compared to the rest of the field, he has a better career resume. And he's a national champ coming off a 1 loss 3rd place finish.
There was also a ton of turnover since last year - these were all of the guys ranked ahead of AJ at the end of last year who are gone now - Starocci, Hendrickson, Steveson, Keckeisen, Hamiti, Keegan, Kerkvliet, Ridge, Caleb Henson, Beau, Buchanan.
Can you please explain how 2 freshman (Vega and Lockett)with less than 10 matches are ranked ahead of Rocco Welsh then?! Makes zero sense
Sergio Vega and Dee Lockett already have a better "best win" than Rocco Welsh. Who has Rocco beaten that's better than Brock Hardy or Michael Caliendo? Best wins play a pretty big roll in how we view the p4p.
Rocco also lost to Edmond Ruth twice during the year he made the NCAA finals.
You said you weigh a wrestlers career more than recent results. Those are good wins by Vega and Lockett (both beat a NCAA runner up while Rocco actually is NCAA runner up)but you truly think they are 2 of the 20 best guys in the entire country? Rocco has NCAA runner-up under his belt. To me that weighs more than a single win against a tough kid. I don’t think freshman should even be in the conversation til much later in the year. We need more results to really see where they stand
Nate Desmond is undefeated and has a win almost as good as Vega and Lockett. Are you telling me he would be ranked on the PFP list if he wasn’t redshirting?! Of course not. He would need a much larger body of work than just a small number of wins even if one of them is very good
Again, even though Rocco Welsh is an NCAA finalist, he doesn't have a win in his career as good as Vega or Lockett. You know all NCAA finalists aren't equal, and I don't think I'm disrespecting Rocco by saying he had a relatively easy path in going through Edmond Ruth, Lennox Wolak, Danny Wask, and Austin Murphy.
And no, Nate Desmond probably wouldn't be in the pound-for-pound because beating Luke Lilledahl isn't as good of a win as Brock Hardy or Michael Caliendo. But, I can confidently tell you Desmond will be ranked fairly high in the weight class rankings because of his redshirt performance if he starts next year for Penn State. Just like we ranked Blaze 10th to start the year because he beat Matt Ramos while still in high school.
Thanks for the replies. I definitely don’t agree but they aren’t my rankings. One last question. Do you really think think that Vega is one of the 20 best college wrestlers right now?
It just seems silly to say a guy that is 6-0 in his career is better PFP than a returning national finalist on the strength of one good win. But they’re your rankings and they had the desired effect of people talking about them.
I honestly love the rankings talk and conversations like these. And I'm not against changing the p4p or any other rankings when I make a mistake. Earlier this year I had Ty Watters above Lilledahl in the p4p and changed it after someone reached out.
As for Vega-I think he's at least top 30, and his start with consecutive wins over Hardy, Bailey, and Jack are better than any of the other guys I'd put in the conversation. It's helpful if you go back and look at the beginning of the year's p4p to see the turnover too. Guys like Kasak, Crookham, Antrell, Ayala, Barr, Cardenas, Meyer Shapiro, and Troy Spratley have all been removed from the p4p cus of inactivity, redshirts, or losses. It's a weird year...I mean, Penn State's not even ranked #1 right now
I honestly love the rankings talk and conversations like these. And I'm not against changing the p4p or any other rankings when I make a mistake. Earlier this year I had Ty Watters above Lilledahl in the p4p and changed it after someone reached out.
As for Vega-I think he's at least top 30, and his start with consecutive wins over Hardy, Bailey, and Jack are better than any of the other guys I'd put in the conversation. It's helpful if you go back and look at the beginning of the year's p4p to see the turnover too. Guys like Kasak, Crookham, Antrell, Ayala, Barr, Cardenas, Meyer Shapiro, and Troy Spratley have all been removed from the p4p cus of inactivity, redshirts, or losses. It's a weird year...I mean, Penn State's not even ranked #1 right now
Trumble beat Feldman last night, so we'll probably be back to #1.
6th now, if we win tonight against Wyoming we will probably drop back to 11th or 12th.
I personally hope PSU continues to be ranked below tOSU until the dual meet. I would be good with being ranked below Iowa and Okie State as well. It is that much more enjoyable when you dominate someone with actual (albeit false) hope versus someone that knows they are losing. The soul crushing effect it has lasts much longer.
It won't be that bad. Notre Dame doesn't have wrestling.
Kozak at Flo HQ right now....
Are these guys this stupid or are they just this big of **** heads???
Are these guys this stupid or are they just this big of **** heads???
Only because the ND admin/athletic department talked the widow of the guy who endowed the entire wrestling program to use the money in a different manor. Bless their hearts.
Kozak -- can you explain the weightings you give factors such as "Best Win", National Placements, Career W-L, Recency and any other factors? I can understand the "Best Win" argument for Vega, but he has no NCAA placements, a very short career W-L (is 6-0 better than 50-2?) and what happens if Hardy loses 3 matches this year? Is he no longer a "Best Win"? Is beating National champ Figueroa a "Best Win"?
If Danny Wask is a national champ this year, does Rocco have a better "Best Win"?
not kozak, but if Danny Wask wins a national title this year i'll pay for your flo sub for a decade.
Who is, Rutgers?I honestly love the rankings talk and conversations like these. And I'm not against changing the p4p or any other rankings when I make a mistake. Earlier this year I had Ty Watters above Lilledahl in the p4p and changed it after someone reached out.
As for Vega-I think he's at least top 30, and his start with consecutive wins over Hardy, Bailey, and Jack are better than any of the other guys I'd put in the conversation. It's helpful if you go back and look at the beginning of the year's p4p to see the turnover too. Guys like Kasak, Crookham, Antrell, Ayala, Barr, Cardenas, Meyer Shapiro, and Troy Spratley have all been removed from the p4p cus of inactivity, redshirts, or losses. It's a weird year...I mean, Penn State's not even ranked #1 right now
Maybe that will give them time to get streaming straightened out.
I kid, I kid. I haven't had issues for years, but, you lay a softball like that out, and it's going yard.
Question for @Kozak ?
When PJ beats Cardenas next week does he go to #2? Or does he get penalized because he beat Cardenes after Robideaux did?
Similar résumé’s only difference is one had their best win earlier than the other? Do you look at bonus in these scenarios since no one’s lasted 7 minutes with Duke (besides Sealey which doesn’t count officially)
do freestyle results come into play at all since PJ dominated Robideaux and everything else being equal thus far?
When PJ beats Cardenas next week does he go to #2? Or does he get penalized because he beat Cardenes after Robideaux did?
Similar résumé’s only difference is one had their best win earlier than the other? Do you look at bonus in these scenarios since no one’s lasted 7 minutes with Duke (besides Sealey which doesn’t count officially)
do freestyle results come into play at all since PJ dominated Robideaux and everything else being equal thus far?
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Robideau is scheduled to face Ty Waters today and Antrell Taylor next Sunday. Anyway, it will all be settled in March.
We have moved guys down in the past if they moved up early because of a "big" win that proved less valuable later in the season. The most heat we took for this was two years ago when Jack Maida beat Eddie Ventresca early and moved up to #12. Then Ventresca lost to Max Gallagher, Dom Mendez, and Noah Luna to fall completely out of the top 33. Ventresca was Maida's only win so we moved him down 18 spots and everyone lost their minds. Maida didn't qualify for NCAAs that year.
But to answer your question, if PJ beats Cardenas, he'll move above wherever Cardenas is. Robideau could be #1 after today tho if he beats Ty Watters.
anyone ever notice flo always has one match they seems to be on the whole tourney and no video of it?"
Personally I thought Robeideau should be 1. Not sure what Watters did to become #1. Isn’t that the guys SVN demolished at all star last year and then got hurt and out for year
Did Watters beat anyone this year that he deserves #1?
Anyway..guess that will be decided later today
Albeit at 149, but Watters beat McNeil, majored Swiderski, teched Alvarez, beat Williams in the B12 Finals by 2nd period injury default (up 7-0 at the time), and pinned Parco and Abas.
And guess who’s sitting out today..Ty Watters. SMH. Looked fine last week at CKLV