Game Thread: Villanova
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I watched Villanova today and I just wasn’t impressed. I think half of Willard’s teams here would’ve kicked their ***. Willard looks good because the big east as a whole stinks. The reason we have 6 wins is not because we’re 3 times better than last year but more teams stink. I think people see the record and say much improvement, but reality is we’re down 15 every game to bad teams and the reason we come back is because bad teams can’t handle our press. I get it we can only play who is on our schedule but this isn’t a recipe for success for next year and beyond
This is definitely the weakest version of the Big East that I can recall. Even 2 years ago, when we famously only got 3 teams, I feel like our squad and the SJU/Providence teams that were in NCAA discussions were better than this version of Nova, who sits firmly in 3rd place. So, I hear you.
We are all disappointed in last night's results, but the reality is we are not a tourney team and most of us knew that before the season started. We should all be thankful for where we are at the moment record wise given what happened last year, and given this team has major flaws. It can make the rest of the season interesting so let's just relax and watch it all unfold.
Accept the fact that Villanova is a much better team and will make the tournament unless they screw up in their remaining games which look easy for them.
Accept the fact that Villanova is a much better team and will make the tournament unless they screw up in their remaining games which look easy for them.
I continue to enjoy this team. Expectations naturally went up after we got to 14-2,4-1 but now we’re coming back to earth somewhat.
Let’s face it, does SHU’s roster on paper match up with any other BE roster? We could all name the teams and coaches who have more talent but who have failed so far this season.
My criteria for a good season was to be in the NCAAT conversation in February. We are. We still have meaningful games coming up.
We got good looks last night but couldn’t shoot a lick. Maybe the 3 ball starts falling from AJSM and Simpkins. That would really be fun.
Let’s face it, does SHU’s roster on paper match up with any other BE roster? We could all name the teams and coaches who have more talent but who have failed so far this season.
My criteria for a good season was to be in the NCAAT conversation in February. We are. We still have meaningful games coming up.
We got good looks last night but couldn’t shoot a lick. Maybe the 3 ball starts falling from AJSM and Simpkins. That would really be fun.
This is a LIE that you are selling and keep repeating that some posters on this forum are buying! The lie is he does not value or recruit 3 point shooters. I delved deeper into this.
I just went and looked at the stats at St Petes and while true that as a team the 3 point shooting was not good, there was at least one or two starters who shot a lot of 3's and made over 35% of them. So this refutes your point that he refuses to recruit good shooters! Stop the lie now!
Yes and the point is that Sha has recruited one or more above average 3 point shooters while at St Petes! The team as a whole was below average but there were some really good 3 point shooters on his teams. Guys coming off the bench and relieving the starters were below average.
35% would still be average (C). 37 - 40% would be good (B). Above 40% would be excellent (A).
We can live with Payne missing free throws. What we can't have is 70 & 80% free throw shooters costing us games by missing critical free throws.
Wild that we’re 2-6 in our last 8 and our fan based is obsessed with the 3 point shooting percentage of our coaches teams from 4-8 years ago? 2-6 in the last 8 is fine because he had shooters at St Peter’s. Doesn’t matter if we win Wednesday against PC because Holloway had 3 point shooters 6 years ago.
How about everyone get their heads out of their asses so they can sit in their seats comfortably Wednesday night and get behind this team.
How about everyone get their heads out of their asses so they can sit in their seats comfortably Wednesday night and get behind this team.
This is completely laughable. There are tons of players that develop a 3-point shot.
How about naming tons of kids who could not shoot the 3 and came into college and developed a better than average 3 point shot?
Then we can see what is laughable.
Don't know is you watched the G-Town Villa game like I did. With less than 2 minutes to go in the game great free throw shooters on both teams were missing them left and right. It happens to every team,
How about just Seton Hall players
3 pt Fg % / attempts per game
Rhoden:
Frosh: 24% - 1.8
Senior: 33.6% - 3.6
Desi Rodriguez
Frosh: 8.3% - 0.4
Senior: 37.3% - 4.8
Sandro:
Frosh: 29.6% - 0.8
Junior: 43.4% - 2.9
Quincy McKnight (BE only)
Junior: 26.9% - 2.0
Senior: 34.6% - 3.5
Shavar Reynolds
Soph: 15.6% - 1.0
Senior: 37.9% - 2.1
Tray Jackson
Frosh: 23% - 1.0
Junior: 39.5% - 2.7
would you like me to research more or is that enough?
The heck with it. Here are a few more for s**ts and giggles.
Myles Cale:
Frosh: 28% - 1.4
Senior: 37% - 4.5
khadeen Carrington
Frosh: 28% - 1.9
Junior: 38% - 5.0
Sterling Gibbs
Frosh: 37% -1.2
Junior: 44% - 5.9
Fuquan Edwin
Frosh: 31% - 2.5
Junior: 41% - 4.6
Herb Pope
Frosh: 13% - 0.9
Senior: 35% - 1.5
Paul Gause
Frosh: 24% - 3.2
Senior: 33% - 3.2
Brian Laing
Soph: 31% - 1.1
Senior: 37% - 3.1
Donald Copeland
Frosh: 28% - 1.7
Senior: 39% - 6.0
John Allen
Frosh: 28% - 3.4
Senior: 34% - 1.9
Andre Barrett
Frosh: 30% - 5.0
Senior: 38% - 6.1
Rimas Kaukenas
Frosh: 24% - 3.6
Senior: 39% - 4.4
Shaheen Holloway
Soph: 24% - 6.6
Senior: 40% - 3.8
Myles Cale:
Frosh: 28% - 1.4
Senior: 37% - 4.5
khadeen Carrington
Frosh: 28% - 1.9
Junior: 38% - 5.0
Sterling Gibbs
Frosh: 37% -1.2
Junior: 44% - 5.9
Fuquan Edwin
Frosh: 31% - 2.5
Junior: 41% - 4.6
Herb Pope
Frosh: 13% - 0.9
Senior: 35% - 1.5
Paul Gause
Frosh: 24% - 3.2
Senior: 33% - 3.2
Brian Laing
Soph: 31% - 1.1
Senior: 37% - 3.1
Donald Copeland
Frosh: 28% - 1.7
Senior: 39% - 6.0
John Allen
Frosh: 28% - 3.4
Senior: 34% - 1.9
Andre Barrett
Frosh: 30% - 5.0
Senior: 38% - 6.1
Rimas Kaukenas
Frosh: 24% - 3.6
Senior: 39% - 4.4
Shaheen Holloway
Soph: 24% - 6.6
Senior: 40% - 3.8
But it's a different landscape, it's a different landscape, it's a different landscape, these coaches don't invest in the future of these players today like they once did. Not only that but you have one coach who teaches it one way, then the next year you have a coach teaching you something completely different and you have to change the habits you just formed over the last 10 months.
Nice that you are comparing them as Frosh when they probably did little shooting. How about comparing them to how they were in high school and could not shoot 3's. Were not good at it? I bet all of them had pretty good 3 point shooting percentages in high school.
I think we were tallking about bringing in kids who could not shoot 3's very well and teaching them how to.
Plus you are cherry picking the years and the players. Reynolds in his first 2 years only took 6 3 pointers total so how could you even draw any conclusions about him being bad and then being taught to shoot better his next 2 years?
Here again you are comparing kids who when Freshman probably provide a very small sample size in terms of how many 3 pointers they take. The true exercise is bringing from High School a bad 3 point shooter and coaching them into being a great 3 point shooter. Unless you have these kids HS stats and can show they could not make 3 pointers and then came to SHU and were coached to make them with greater proficiency then you are all barking up the wrong treee.
Reading comprehension is a very difficult skill to master.
So I can understand that you can’t read where I ignored Shavar’s freshman season for that very reason and showed you his growth from his sophomore season to his senior season.
Also you want me to find stats from a players high school days where they shot the 3 horribly from a shorter distance and then became great from a longer distance. WGAS. what relevance does that have?
Once again many are failing to see how the game has drastically changed.
Amaker, Orr, Gonzo, and Willard all had opportunities to work with and coach those players above for multiple years (3-4)
In today’s game if you want immediate results you have to buy the 3 point shooters. Just another example of apples to oranges comparison and holding Sha to a standard from years past.
But to make a comment that you don’t coach up a player to shoot better than 35% is just another blatant disregard of the facts.
I gave you 18 examples from just our program alone. It’s OK to take the L. I know the Internet wasn’t around when you were younger but it’s ok to use it now. The stats are at your finger tips.
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In a way it’s less coaching work. Just pay a shooter. You don’t need to spend years getting Rhoden there, etc.
I get it.
But it’s 1.5m for a Pg who can shoot
It’s 1.5m for a 2G who can shoot
It’s 1.5m for a PF who is supposed to be a PF
It’s 2m to keep Hines
before you know it you need $10m to have a starting 5 with a few guys coming off the bench.
oh wait…that’s what Pitino already said every BE team needs to spend to compete.
And I don’t want to hear it from those that say that was the way it was back in the day. No roster was getting $10m under the table.
Either you have an alumni base that wants to fund your sports program on a year to year basis or you don’t
We don’t. And i don’t blame them.
There’s a reason why there’s only 30 or so teams in pro sports. Pretending there’s 100-150 college basketball and football teams that are supposed to be on the same level is laughable.
LOL. The numbers do not lie. You may not like them, but they do not lie.
You're delusional.
Faulty logic it’s not “10 mil under the table” to zero
If our peers are spending 10 mil; it’s been reported we spent 6 so we are about 60% our peers. It’s not 10 mil vs zero. We’ve also been at best 60% of our top peers.
Again NIL hurts but the transfer and eligibility rules have hurt us way worse. I have said that for years
And lastly, you assume Sha would manage the 10 mil properly. From what I’ve heard over the past couple years, his management and perspective of the market has been off, which is a bigger problem no one brings up
The only way out of this is to collectively bargain which would prob expose how much money certain s school actually make and destroy most other college sports
Or you’ll have your pro football and basketball teams and schools who operate like old college athletics for other sports
The only other part is the random nature of college basketball..will certain alumni want to keep spending money when the outcome is determined by a Russian roulette single elimination tournament