Gavin has moments, but is not improving accuracy
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Couple of incorrect statements, but mostly true. The false:
1. He absolutely does have the needed arm strength. That’s the least important QB characteristic.
2. Greg will be here at least another four years no matter what. We can’t afford to fire him probably for another 3, and he’ll somehow force the weak AD to extend him, just like he duped Hobbs into hiring him and been stealing salary for 3.5yrs.
He absolutely will start next here year. GS is all in with him, even if it means firing another OC.
No one’s asking him to throw for 200+ a game. Just hit the open man on short routes. So many misses because of his high release point Don’t fire the ball in to the running back in the flat. Don’t throw behind guys so much. Those things aren’t coaching, they are execution on his part. Hopefully he gets these under control and starting next week.
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Temple. The 1st TD was GW hitting the RB out off the backfield in stride for 35 yds TD.
Gavin is a decent runner but at year three at what point maybe it’s not the coaching but rather Gavin’s accuracy that’s the issue.
Game has changed. You don’t develop QBs for 5 years.
It’s not ridiculous at all. There’s much more to QB1 decisions than winning. Were he to switch QBs and start over next year with someone else he’d be admitting a massive mistake and leaving himself open to even more criticism. And it’s not just him. That’s what leaders often resort to. He absolutely will not let that happen at all costs, especially as his 8 yr free lunch gets closer to the end. And don’t forget how stubborn he is.
He’s not Saban and doesn’t have a winning history to block any negative pr or job risk. There is no way Schiano admits the mistake. He has to double-down at this point. His job security only goes so far as GW takes him the next two years.
I think he’s legit. Though not particularly good. Yet. Talent is there for significantly more upside.
Get a grip, it was a mistake. Gavin is coming along fine. He is getting experience. He looks light years better than last year, where he looked rattled on every play.
Like I said before, hes been a net positive in every other game besides the Wisconsin game. That play is a 10-14 point swing and absolutely cost us the game. It's one thing if Gavin is a playmaker and goes out and throws for 200 yards and 3 TDs after that pick but he can't do that yet. His job is to manage the offense and not make mistakes. He failed at his job this past week.
I still support him and think he's going to continue to get better. He probably gives us the best chance to win out of the QBs we have. He absolutely still needs to improve though for us to be anything other than a 500 team.
Context is your friend. It was discussion about playing someone other than Gavin. The “kid” I was referring to is the freshman (Shepard).
And FWIW you’re wrong on Gavin’s eligibility. He has 2 years left after this season. 2021 was a redshirt year since he only played 4 games. But, hey, thanks for the lesson. Haha.
It might have won them the game against a 3-1 Wisconsin if that pick 6 doesn't happen.
For sure. But they were crisp, confident passes during non-garbage time play. We’ve seen Evan plenty. We know what he can do. Look - nobody was harder on him than me last year. I considered him a 3rd string because that’s what he was last year on a team that couldn’t consistently stop the pass rush against anyone halfway decent. I’m starting to become cautiously optimistic that we’ve grown a lot in this facet of the game though. We’ve played enough decent defenses now to start to be able to believe that the pass blocking is a lot better than it was last year. And it was improved last year too, from previous years, but it wasn’t good enough to entrust the ball with a non runner who struggles with decision making when pressured. We saw this vs Nebraska. If the OL can consistently give more time though, it opens up some questions in my view. At least if the goal is truly to be 1-0 on a given day.
Sort of related to Evan - I have to admit, when Burton executed the 2 point conversion for Denver last night, I couldn’t help but wonder what kind of success Evan could have in a system with a full back. Since most teams don’t use them, it’s pretty easy to recruit the best…
2014 Nova wouldn’t have been nearly as successful without Burton and Kroft blocking for him.
2014 Nova wouldn’t have been nearly as successful without Burton and Kroft blocking for him.
You're missing the point. The comment was about how our conservative offense isn't going to win us any games. My point is it was actually working until maybe we weren't conservative enough. We probably could have ran it 3 more times at the 4 yard line instead of throwing it to the side of the field with nobody in front of the DB.
That a good call. I'd forgotten that play.
The point is that he misses those throws far more than he makes them when throwing behind the running backs or throwing too hard and making it uncatchable. Simon looked very comfortable laying it out into the flat.
Inexcusable is a word with very little wiggle room. See the debate on this play in the camera man hit in the balls thread.
I bet you his completion to RB % is high if you exclude KM. KM is great at many things, but catching passes is his weakness. GW had a few great passes to AY and JB.
If - IF - he can finish the season at 55% or better, with more TD's than INT's, then LIKE IT OR NOT he's on pace to do exactly what we want/need from him with this offense. I know people hate hearing it, BUT:
Mike Teel was 55% with 12 TD's and 13 INIT's as a R-Soph (that's right, 2006) WITH STUDS at RB, FB, TE, WR and most of the 5 in front of him.
....Give the kid a LITTLE bit of a break, okay?
Mike Teel was 55% with 12 TD's and 13 INIT's as a R-Soph (that's right, 2006) WITH STUDS at RB, FB, TE, WR and most of the 5 in front of him.
....Give the kid a LITTLE bit of a break, okay?
At teh start of this season.. didn't we all say that Gavin has improved? yeah.. this last game he stank up the field. Sorry, Gavin.. but you know you did. You have done better and can do better.
I blame Gleeson. He had him for a couple of years and did not improve him at all.
At this point, I think we need to get Gavin moving.. rolling out. his accuracy inside a pocket is just hit and miss... the longer and harder the throw the more accurate.. oddly enough. The sideline floaters.. touch just isn't there.. I think it is a footwork issue. Same for the short passes. But when he has to zip it in there he will stride forward and look like a real QB putting zip on the ball.
His short passes and sideline stuff.. it looks like it is all-arm to me. He even threw off his backfoot in this last game. His pick-6.. all arm.. and when it is all arm any DB spying on him can see it a mile away. Down in the redzone DBs are not worried about WRs getting behind them.. they can watch a QB and have a general sense of where their man is going. Throwing to wide side... we just got to know what Gavin's strengths and weaknesses are playcall to that. If we had rolled him out to the wide side..what does that DB do? I think he leaves Dremel and moves up to run-stop. Easy TD. And I think rolling him out fairly often would play to his strengths.. it pressures a defense and causes mistakes and I think Wimsatt is as accurate while moving as he is in the pocket. I think he is more comfortable moving. I could be wrong but would love to find out.
GOR, You think GW's progress is going to be linear? Sorry but right now he is doing what he needs to do, which is get reps and vision on the field. Maybe I am in the minority on this board but I am seeing GW improve overall. Not only Gavin but the entire team is progressing but their growth will not be in a straight line upwards. thee will be setbacks and disappointments along the way.
You gotta love Rutgers fans, Our team has stunk for so long that the moment we have a competent coach who while not working miracles, is steadily improving the team in arguably the hardest D1 league in the nation, and our fans expect our team to be in the top three in the BIG. Holy shitballs some of you folks expectations are just way out of whack with reality.
while the team has not clicked yet they are getting closer each game. Stop complaining and start supporting our team win, lose or draw.
no he's improving but is it fast enough, going to be enough, is he going to improve enough to be a competent BIG level qb that we need is the question
People mention how you can see all the talent Gavin has, that he just needs time to put it together. Problem is, I don't see all this talent Gavin has. I see a kid with a strong arm and a big body. But would anybody call those qb talents? But I don't get it. What talents does he possess that I'm missing?
where did I suggest his progress would be linear? Not sure where you got that. Your post agrees with my take.
as for the fans.. I think there are haters here .. some hate rutgers.. some love rutgers but hate schiano.. they take every chance they get to chip away.. and since the preseason, this was their one chance to chip chip chip. Hopefully next two games shut them up again for awhile. but even if we win I'm sure some of them will come right back to talk about how if we only won the Wisconsin game the we'd have gotten a good bowl game.
No effort good enough for these "fans". They want the best of everything.. even tell rich folk what they need to do with their money. They demand the program be good enough for THEM. I recall, decades ago now, one clown, a lawyer, saying he needs to be able to brag on his team in the courtrooms.. that Rutgers is embarrassing him. And that's how I feel when I read some of these more desperate posts... these Rutgers fans are embarrassing me and the whole Rutgers Nation.
I just asked Bing AI Chat (which is ChatGPT4 I think) to predict a negative Rutgers fan post if we go 6-6. Our negatoid AI NPCs wouldn't include that last line.. ChatGPT has more to learn.
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Oh, Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers… where do I even start? We’ve had a rollercoaster of a season, haven’t we? A perfect .500 record with 6 wins and 6 losses. Sure, we’re going to a minor bowl game, but is that really something to celebrate?
I mean, come on! We’re the Scarlet Knights! We should be competing for major bowl games, not just scraping by to make it into a minor one. And those 6 losses? They were tough to watch. It’s like we forgot how to play football halfway through the season.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m proud of our team for making it this far. But I can’t help but feel a little disappointed. We have so much potential and it just feels like we’re not living up to it.
Here’s hoping next season will be better. Go Scarlet Knights!
Greg did not comeback to be a meddling program that has a ceiling of 4-5 wins year… especially in Year 5.
He will make a change next year at QB if Gavin has ‘peaked’ and not capable to leading RU to success.
Mark it down.
If the sports media was accurate, there is a 6 figure deal to consider too. I don't know how that plays out in the new landscape of college sports. Does it complicate making that change when and if needed?
Exactly, as I say often above. It’s not entirely about W & L. He didn’t recruit a QB the year after GW, who’s here bc of NIL.
He’s protecting GW and his own reputation by not risking a very good game from Simon and public questioning of his QB decision.
You’re all blind to bigger picture issues. Maybe only a small chance that Simon wins the game for us, but still too risky for GW and GS that he might impress.
If he did, not so easy for GS to go back to GW. A PR mess and probably NIL loss for GW.
Add in his rushes as completed passes and he’s at 64.4%. I think that is a fair way to look at a dual threat QB if he’s gaining yards running (and GW has 230 yds rushing). He also has 4 rushing TD’s
HUH? He absolutely HAS hit some deep crosses and bombs...Its his intermediate and short passes that his accuracy is exposed...
doesn't have the touch on those passes to backs in flat, has never had it. fires it in there like you are having a catch with your 5 year old from two feet away and they whip the ball at you.