I'm not going to lie. I'm actually shocked that UK is at .500 right now.
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The one hope that a UKFB fan can have about Stoops is if he understands this slide is not salvageable, and it will cost him future employment opportunities. He's gotten so far behind his brethren in the NIL game, the brand of football we play, and the faceplant that was the aTm job botch. If he digs in here en route to 3-9 and Barnhart can't wrangle up the buyout, Stoops' record is going to be worse and worse. 2-10 or 3-9 in 2026, probably more of the same in 2027 on with 9 SEC games staring at you when you haven't won even 1 in a calendar year. He will be not only absolutely unemployable anywhere, but he will also be less welcome in Kentucky than Bobby Knight circa 1976.
You take a smaller buyout after this season, maybe you get your alma mater if Ferentz were to retire or maybe one of the OSUs (not Ohio).
You take a smaller buyout after this season, maybe you get your alma mater if Ferentz were to retire or maybe one of the OSUs (not Ohio).
I don't think Stoops will stick it out, JUST for the money. I think that he honestly believes he can turn this around.
I mean, I don't agree with him, but I absolutely believe that that is what HE thinks.
Again... Most of Stoops' problems are a function of being a defensive-minded/DC coordinator HC at Kentucky. That, IMO, puts you behind the 8-ball from the start. Offense is exponentially more difficult to build and sustain than a defense. It makes sense then, that you need the guy that IS going to be here year in and year out, to be the lynchpin of that system.
I'm not saying you have to take a flyer on a radically different guy like Mumme (who DID know how to run an offense, but had none of the other skills a HC needs). It can be just about any system, as long as it is consistent, year after year after year.
It's a lot more important at a place like UK, than it is at powerhouse programs, where talent can sometimes overcome the need for in-house player development that is geared towards a system that they know will be the same in their junior year as it was when they first got here.
Just my 2 cents.
Our fanbase is sore as hell, watching what Cignetti is doing at IU, and thinking, "How can effing Indiana do it and we can't?"
Look at Cignetti's background, and which side of the ball he specializes in...
Look at Brohm/UL
Look at MOST coaches that have success at programs that are not "traditional" powers...
This is also why I no longer agree with the Jon Sumrall worship. I don't think he'd be a good hire for Kentucky.
I mean, I don't agree with him, but I absolutely believe that that is what HE thinks.
Again... Most of Stoops' problems are a function of being a defensive-minded/DC coordinator HC at Kentucky. That, IMO, puts you behind the 8-ball from the start. Offense is exponentially more difficult to build and sustain than a defense. It makes sense then, that you need the guy that IS going to be here year in and year out, to be the lynchpin of that system.
I'm not saying you have to take a flyer on a radically different guy like Mumme (who DID know how to run an offense, but had none of the other skills a HC needs). It can be just about any system, as long as it is consistent, year after year after year.
It's a lot more important at a place like UK, than it is at powerhouse programs, where talent can sometimes overcome the need for in-house player development that is geared towards a system that they know will be the same in their junior year as it was when they first got here.
Just my 2 cents.
Our fanbase is sore as hell, watching what Cignetti is doing at IU, and thinking, "How can effing Indiana do it and we can't?"
Look at Cignetti's background, and which side of the ball he specializes in...
Look at Brohm/UL
Look at MOST coaches that have success at programs that are not "traditional" powers...
This is also why I no longer agree with the Jon Sumrall worship. I don't think he'd be a good hire for Kentucky.
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While I agree in principle with what you're saying, I think there are a couple key points that differentiate this era and actually make winning seven games easier than it was in the past:
1. Most obviously, since 2006 you get 12 games to do it.
2. You actually do get some free wins, even if it's only 3 now instead of 4. People forget this, but that was not always the case. For example, this was our schedule the year that Bill Curry got fired:
Louisville
@ Cincinnati
Indiana
@ Florida
@ Alabama
South Carolina
@ LSU
Georgia
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
@ Tennessee
What record do you think 2025 Mark Stoops is putting up against that schedule? Curry went 4-7 and got canned, btw.
The road map to seven now is take your 3 free wins, beat Louisville, beat Vanderbilt, and find a way to go 2-5 against the rest of the SEC (3-4 if ou can't beat Louisville). I'm not saying that's easy, but it also doesn't feel impossibly difficult.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, but you essentially said what I did. That if you split, on average with Louisville (a reasonable assumption) then you need to average over 3 SEC wins a year, and as I pointed out. We only do that at a 13 percent clip. And now, with the new scheduling format, we lost one of our more winnable SEC West opponents as a regular on our schedule (Miss St.) So I don't see how that makes the task any easier.
Yeah I’m not disagreeing with you - and I agree that 4 SEC wins is a good metric because it’s consistent across eras. Just pointing out that it’s easier to get to higher win totals now. 4-7 against that 1996 schedule is basically equivalent to 7-5 in 2025.
In thinking about Kentucky football, it really is remarkable that UK fans have supported such a terrible product for so long. Even going to the games is a huge pain in the *** and, frankly, really boring compared to modern sporting events.
My wife went to an NHL game with her brother in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago. She's never seen hockey in her life, had no rooting interest, and didn't want to be there. She came away raving about it. Her biggest take aways: "It was so exciting and parking was so easy! We just parked next door and walked right in!"
Until the UK administration actually sees its fans as people to be entertained rather than a host to latch onto and suck blood from, it won't matter who coaches.
This product SUCKS. If they actually cared, they'd build parking structures next to the stadium, hook up wifi (how is that even still a thing in 2025?), and get people in and out of that bland *** cracker box with efficiency, rather than feeling like you're stuck in Cairo, Egypt traffic after watching the Cats piss another loss down their legs.
The "Entertainment District" idea is so truly stupid, they will probably actually try it. These are the braindead morons who run Kentucky football, after all.
My wife went to an NHL game with her brother in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago. She's never seen hockey in her life, had no rooting interest, and didn't want to be there. She came away raving about it. Her biggest take aways: "It was so exciting and parking was so easy! We just parked next door and walked right in!"
Until the UK administration actually sees its fans as people to be entertained rather than a host to latch onto and suck blood from, it won't matter who coaches.
This product SUCKS. If they actually cared, they'd build parking structures next to the stadium, hook up wifi (how is that even still a thing in 2025?), and get people in and out of that bland *** cracker box with efficiency, rather than feeling like you're stuck in Cairo, Egypt traffic after watching the Cats piss another loss down their legs.
The "Entertainment District" idea is so truly stupid, they will probably actually try it. These are the braindead morons who run Kentucky football, after all.
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Hank Camacho Johnson is RIGHT!
The UK job might be the toughest P5 job in the country. If it isn't then Vanderbilt is the only thing keeping us from the bottom.
We CAN be moderately successful on a regular basis though, AND, as Hank said, UK could put forth some GD f***ing effort into making the REST of the experience a LOT MORE fun.
It's not GD rocket science.
Mitch and Co. sometimes make it feel like going to a Pentecostal TENT revival.
The UK job might be the toughest P5 job in the country. If it isn't then Vanderbilt is the only thing keeping us from the bottom.
We CAN be moderately successful on a regular basis though, AND, as Hank said, UK could put forth some GD f***ing effort into making the REST of the experience a LOT MORE fun.
It's not GD rocket science.
Mitch and Co. sometimes make it feel like going to a Pentecostal TENT revival.
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Mid season coaching change predictions
PSU- Matt Campbell
UF- Lane Kiffin
Auburn- James Franklin
Ole Miss- John Sumrall
That said it leaves quite a few interesting jobs open with mostly Dan Mullen and coordinator options which if we fire Stoops puts us in that group IMHO.
To me that’s why Dan Mullen is my guy that’s realistic and I think Sumrall will choose Ole Miss over us.
PSU- Matt Campbell
UF- Lane Kiffin
Auburn- James Franklin
Ole Miss- John Sumrall
That said it leaves quite a few interesting jobs open with mostly Dan Mullen and coordinator options which if we fire Stoops puts us in that group IMHO.
To me that’s why Dan Mullen is my guy that’s realistic and I think Sumrall will choose Ole Miss over us.
Could be worse -- imagine how bad it would be if Stoops wasn't motivated.
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Honestly, if Stoops just bought a pound of kush, a 3 foot bong (with an ice catch), some comfortable flip-flops, then just dropped the office keys on Brad White's desk, and decided to spend the rest of the Fall kicking back and staying baked/unmotivated, I wouldn't be at ALL shocked if things actually improved...
Hell, going that route MYSELF would make the rest of the season better (for ME)
Hell, going that route MYSELF would make the rest of the season better (for ME)
Clown are you on someone else’s coke frozen boogers or mistress having a kid? You’ve been posting for like a day straight.
No, LOL Sober as a judge. Family situation where I have to be up until I'm relieved of duty. Which should be in about 2 hours. Sorry for the carpet bomb posting. Just easing the boredom.
Based on KY history, that's not necessarily a good thing.
Maybe it is, But bet your sweet asss if I had a $39 million buy out at my current job, my asss is riding it out. Taking new coaching job in the $3/4 million range (nobody is paying him more than that after these last few years), that $39 million would take over a decade to make up.
Maybe, MAYBE, he will waive the buyout just to piss Chantelle off ??? About as good of a chance as that happening as giving UK a discount. No hope and Bob Hope, and we all know where Bob is.
LOL, "would be competing for division titles in no time". Sure, because the last few years, Stoops has shown the great ability to beat teams like Clemson, Louisville, Miami, FSU, Georgia Tech, Duke, etc. ACC is a shiit conference, but there are still 6-7 that would boat race this last few years of UK football.
Is there a limitation of "fire with cause" stipulation ? Can we not go retroactive back and use the A&M flirtation AND the playing players that got wins taken away ?
$11.6MM per year. At IU. Football.
I hope their AD agreed to a $100MM, due immediately, buyout.
I hope their AD agreed to a $100MM, due immediately, buyout.
And that should quiet the coaching carousel sense of urgency for a week or 2 now.
It really seems the push for Kiffin to UF is real at the moment.
It really seems the push for Kiffin to UF is real at the moment.
Gotta be shitting me. I was literally joking and just trying to be absurd.
The world of college sports is broken. Point blank. Period.
If Kiffin turns down Florida they could turn to Franklin or Drinkwitz.
Would be better for us if Kiffin stays put as you don’t want to get in a bidding war with Ole Miss for Sumrall.
Penn State trending toward Ruhle, Freeman or Joe Brady (Bills OC).
Nebraska wants Freeman or Brady if Ruhle leaves.
Kiffin was made for UF, IMO. Talk about a chip off the old block Steve Spurrier style!
Plus I think it happens because Ole Miss will be the job that takes Sumrall from UK.
Plus I think it happens because Ole Miss will be the job that takes Sumrall from UK.
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Once again I ask what exactly does “without cause” mean? If I’m gonna dole out that kind of money then I’m tossing in something about a losing conference record or some sort of performance clause.
He's 17-2 at Indiana. If stoops had a 2 year run where they were in playoff and then a national title contender then pay him that. Not starting out 4-0 with wins vs ******* State and Florida.
Contracts can typically be terminated early - before their natural expiration date - via two means, for cause or without cause.
For cause is usually defined as some sort of bad behavior. Crimes, fraud, rule breaking, moral failures, vacated wins, etc.
Without cause means there is no reason, or at least no stated reason. One party just elects to end the contract. No reason needed.
The major differentiator is what is paid under either scenario. Termination for cause means immediate termination and no more payments. Because you’re a ******** and you ****** up.
The presumption for a termination without cause situation, however, is that the terminated party is entitled to the entire balance of the remaining contract. With that said, that is only the presumption. Most sophisticated parties draft around that presumption and limit the damages in a without cause termination situation. For example, the terminated party is only entitled to his pay for the notice period (e.g., 90 days, 180 days, 30 days, whatever). For higher dollar value contracts (executives, etc) you’ll see a one year severance provision. I know this is boring, but the point is - Mitch had numerous mechanisms available to limit his exposure for the dweeb’s contract, but instead, he elected to give him the 2021 version of a Curt Cignati contract. Malfeasance.
Suck on it Rodgers. Now, go back to Pittsburgh, call your simp best friend, Eddie Vedder, and cry yourself to sleep playing ****ing Yellow Ledbetter on your douchey Martin acoustic. While you bore everybody by explaining how to "Travis pick" 
I guess I get it but what I still don’t understand is why is vastly under performing, in general at the job you have been hired and paid to do, not “for cause”.
in other words so long as he doesn’t break any recruiting rules or gamble on games he’s good to go. Makes perfect sense. Looks like ole Mitch really did bend over and grab his ankles.