From 10-50 to even 5-7 in year 1 is still a solid job. Whether he can keep it up or not, who knows. Like I say, take it for what it is. A good first step in year 1 and leave it at that.
Hats off to Hafley
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Really? Mora is knocking it out of the park this year. They have a shot at a bowl, wish we could say the same. And clearly he's getting the most from the minimal talent there (they can actually complete a forward pass on occasion - imagine that).
I definitely have to credit him.
Forcing overtime versus...Northern Illinois.
That was really something!
Forcing overtime versus...Northern Illinois.
That was really something!
should change the name of the thread- asshat off on Hafley!
Inconvenient truths for OP:
What makes it so much worse is that he inherited a perennial 7ish win bowl contender.
I seem to remember , but could be wrong, when Hafley first came to RU from Pitt as the DB coach, some said he wasn't a good coach but he came because of his recruiting ability.
After he left RU, then the he's a great coach started the rounds on the RU Rivals board.
I belive when he was the Buckeye's co
C in 2019 they had a great D and that was the reason BC went after him, besides his recruiting ability
After he left RU, then the he's a great coach started the rounds on the RU Rivals board.
I belive when he was the Buckeye's co
C in 2019 they had a great D and that was the reason BC went after him, besides his recruiting ability
By all accounts, Hafley seems like a really good guy, running a clean program. That is a tough place to coach, but others have had moderate levels of success up there, including the Dazzler, who was fired after two years at Colorado State. Hafley should land on his feet as a DC at a P5 program.
That's why we had to beg for Greg :YesNoOP is no Plum!
JEFF would have gotten us LEFT in the Ashes.
A good recruiter (just look at 2011 and 2012) and position coach. I think we have a Peter Principal case here.
I never understood the Hafley suggestion as HC.
A career defensive assistant coach, known for his recruiting, with zero offensive experience.
That's just about the same resume as HC Ash.
Hafley even hired OC McNulty in year 3 and had one of the worst offenses in the country - exact same as HC Ash.
Was it just because he was born in NJ and coached at Rutgers for 1 year?
I've made my thoughts well known on hiring based on birthplace and not actual coaching ability.
A career defensive assistant coach, known for his recruiting, with zero offensive experience.
That's just about the same resume as HC Ash.
Hafley even hired OC McNulty in year 3 and had one of the worst offenses in the country - exact same as HC Ash.
Was it just because he was born in NJ and coached at Rutgers for 1 year?
I've made my thoughts well known on hiring based on birthplace and not actual coaching ability.
Kirby Smart , Bobby Bowden and Dabo were all born in Alabama .
Birthplace isn’t the worst way to choose a coach!
Not many are plum. It’s hard to be a legend .OP is no Plum!
JEFF would have gotten us LEFT in the Ashes.
What we might be seeing with Hafley and BC is really just affected by the ACC failing. GS left Rutgers only when the conference situation looked hopeless and he was fighting that every day in recruiting.. then the NFL came calling.
For all we know, Hafley and BC are in the same boat right now. And since the ACC was majorly responsible for the demise of Big East football, I say, good!
Now we have to beat Temple and VTech.
For all we know, Hafley and BC are in the same boat right now. And since the ACC was majorly responsible for the demise of Big East football, I say, good!
Now we have to beat Temple and VTech.
Huh ? Schiano was recruiting pretty well at the end. That 2012 class was his highest ranked class ever I believe with carroo etc.
Some of the numbskulls that wanted flood pounded their chests that he held that class together. Even pernetti jumped up and down
While true.. don't you think he lost recruits to conference instability? Don't you think he had to handle that question over and over?
“I always root for guys who did well for us …”
I really find this intriguing . Please share
Do you root for flood too ? He did well for us record wise. Cristobal ? Fleck ?
What about players ? Eugene O? Mulchahy ? Dahntay jones ?
What about guys that stunk here ? Kill? Mcnulty ? Do you root against them ?
This is fascinating stuff
First, that wasn’t the case with Greg. And second, I don’t think that’s the case with Hafley at all. Why would recruiting drop for him relative to the rest of the ACC teams he’s playing. His schedule is pretty soft - he just lost to a Northern Illinois team that won 3 games last year playing in the MAC. For perspective, Northern Illinois took a 44-12 drubbing from Akron to close out last season.
I guess it’s a case by case basis. Flood? Sure. He seemed like a good guy when I met him.
Cristobal? He turned RU down. F him.
Players that left? Generally have no interest in them. Help clarify?
Agreed. Why wouldn’t we root for Flood? He was a guy who got in over his head but he gave his all to Rutgers when he was here. He wasn’t all bad as a HC - as he still owns the 8-5 inaugural season in the BIG on his resume.
Greg gets all the credit for that season. Those were his players.
Just love that narrative.I give Pernetti credit for that class. He made himself a member of the coaching staff in order to talk to recruits.
I thought Flood was lazy and didn’t want to do the work. How is that giving it his all?
Generally, I would not root against Hafley per se. Or Mike Houston. Or Leipold. Or any number of other names that the “anyone but Schiano” clan on here have thrown out to nauseum until that coach’s team implodes and then that poster either shuts up (or more often) throws out another name. You didn’t do that to your credit and while Schiano was not your first choice - I don’t see it as you continuing to suggest how a bunch of other guys would’ve been so much better for us. I will root for Hafley to do great at his next stop as DC.
The bottom line is if you put all these damn names that have been thrown out in a hat and pick one at random odds were always much more likely that we’d end up not improving our situation at all (and what Ash left behind was pretty awful) than finding that perfect diamond in a rough coach. We brought in the guy that few questioned would at least be able to turn the defense around. You’ve basically said as much and haven’t really been a part of the group continuing to push the issue for years on in even though this thread tends to get tangled in it.
Could be wrong, but I seem to remember Kill having moderate success running a boring three yards and a cloud of dust offense in order to keep our defense off the field.
The whole back and forth banter on here about all the different coaches that would’ve done better here than Schiano. Hafley was the first name thrown out.
I think Leipold was pretty high up there.
Every great coach has a tree of great coaches that prosper from them. It would be good for GS if some of his coaches went on to great success.
He’s not a good head coach his talent is in recruiting. Maybe he would consider coming back here but I think his ego won’t allow that.
The job was just too big for him. I’m not sure if it was the timing , lack of resources and support or a combination thereof. I think he would’ve had success at a smaller school / scale. He was a good game day coach. Did well on Schiano’s staff first round. But he also made a lot of mistakes at Rutgers. He’s certainly not a hall of famer. He just doesn’t belong in the same category of awful that I reserve for guys like Ash who did nothing right ever for RU.