He gone … unvaccinated Vikings coach
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Life is a game of chance?
Is that what is said by medical scientists moments prior to denying life outside the womb for untold millions?
I'm rather sure.
Large Ivermectin Study Retracted
— Preprint publisher finds evidence of plagiarism, problems with raw data
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When Trump was pushing and promoting the vaccine, Demoncrats like Harris were saying that she would never take the vaccine as long as Trump was saying that we should. If not for Trump we may not have the vaccine today. So cut the political bs.
I'm not sure why you're deflecting, though I have a suspicion that it isn't because you have a great argument against my position.
Also, I would really... REALLY recommend that you not assume my viewpoint on anything that I haven't outright discussed. It won't go well for your argument.
Cheers, friend.
Absolutely not. People deserve all their constitutional rights, all the time. There are no exceptions. There exists no government interest worthy of intentional violation.
The constitution isn't some hindering obstacle in the way of progress. It's the only thing between you and tyranny.
A private employment context doesn't normally trigger constitutional issues. However the rationale is similar and very concerning. The mob can't rule and logic must overcome passion
I'm not against the vaccine numbnut. I've been vaccinated since February. I provided you a link with a dozen studies, not 1 and the preprint studies were almost ignored. Congrats for possibly finding an issue for 1 of the preprint studies, you da man. When double blind studies are done they may find no benefit from ivermectin. However, you have zero basis for your arrogant assumptions that it has no benefit.
Other posters have posted a timeline of Trump's statements. I'll let that speak for itself.
I've also, in this thread, already made a statement that goes deeper into my position on this matter. I will find it and repost it in response to you if that is what you so desire. Otherwise, I'll let you look for it.
You want me to cut the political BS because it goes against your viewpoints. I've clearly rattled you, which is why you're demanding my silence. But, I will not shy away from the truth. I will hold a civil, fact-based conversation even if the civility is one-sided. That is my right as an American, and I will not apologize for exercising my first amendment right.
Be well.
1. Totally agree. That's why the act of voluntarily allowing a potentially deadly and harmful virus to proliferate should be scrutinized. People have the right to live without fear of biological warfare in modern America.
2. Damn straight.
Eradication is not possible anytime soon, even with vaccine. That's really the logical end of any mandate discussion.
If the vaccine works as well as reported, then you have nothing to worry about in terms of serious cases or deaths.
Your right to happiness has nothing to do with me. I want to ensure your personal choice of getting a vaccine that makes you feel better about your life and chances against this virus. I just want the same decision. Your happiness or right to choose doesn't trump mine.
That's especially important here because there is no free market remedy. The NFL has an antitrust exemption.
The constitution doesn't apply to private individuals. Only state actors.
The virus is proliferating with or without the vaccine.
Depends.
Biologically, they are. Parasitism is just a type of biological interaction in which one organism gains an advantage at the expense of another - often without killing its host. That's a stark contrast to parasitoidism, where the host is almost always eventually killed. Always found that distinction pretty freaking cool.
In medicine, parasite typically refers to parasites in kingdom Animalia like roundworms, ascaris, tape worms, flukes, etc.
What about point 4? Maybe I can clarify. At the very least, it's worth a discussion.
Didn't realize Trump was a scientist with Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, AND Moderna while also being President and full-time Tweeter and conspiracy theorist at the time. Not gonna lie, that's an impressive resume.
It's a game of chance. More vaccines, fewer chances to infect and mutate.
Common law, inextricably linked with civil law and the foundations of our country and the modern elasticity of our world, often allow us to create a society in which victims and their families can receive justice for crimes committed against them. You typically go to jail or face other consequences if you murder someone, purposefully infect them with something, beat their ***, destroy their property, trespass on their property, defame them, threaten them, or otherwise infringe upon their rights.
Stay locked up forever. At some point we have to live. **** the government, **** the mask mandates, **** the lockdownsAnecdotes don't stand up nearly as well as the hundreds of thousands of folks who've been assessed via stringent research papers and the millions who have been monitored after vaccine rollout late last year.
One or two examples of any perceived side effects can be pure chance. Seriously, it happens all the time because life is messy. That's why we need large samples and carefully crafted studies to eliminate bias as much as possible. I work at a university. It's likely that 90%+ of the ~150 people I interact with on a monthly basis now have gotten both jabs (or one of J&J, of course). Know how many had any noticeable, long-term side effects? None. And yes, I've asked nearly all of them. Molecular biologists who will know more about immune function and vaccines than I ever will were basically in line as soon as doses came to town.
Same with my family. Hell, my gun-toting, outlaw country-loving uncle got his shot the minute it was available. No side effects.
The fact of the matter remains that long-term impacts of the virus are KNOWN to be detrimental. We've got folks like Kirk Herbstreit who still have no sense of taste or smell. Brain fog and lethargy are additional detriments. Lung scarring and organ damage caused by the virus and low O2 levels will impact global healthcare for decades. Even asymptomatic cases have been shown to inflame the heart while mild cases have reduced gray matter in the brain (recent study). Clots are an issue, too.
We now live in a time when people who are on an ICU bed or are about to be intubated are still pushing anti-vax rhetoric. Maybe they're trying to become martyrs, maybe they're just stubborn. It's damn difficult for people to admit when they've made serious mistakes. I feel like more people would come out as pro-vaccine if a lot of folks on the left would just stop being a bunch of dicks and a lot of folks on the right would look at the consequences of their actions. Seriously, to any liberals and leftists who are guilty of saying "I told you so" as someone's loved one is LITERALLY drowning in their own fluids, that's about as horrific and detrimental to our cause than anything I can think of. It's a small percentage. Kinda like the vocal basketball fans that threaten and berate college players. But still. Think before you type. I digress.
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Masking was literally the least we could've asked for. Folks refused. Vaccination is a better alternative (both is even better), but still folks refused (and now the Delta variant is likely going to shut a lot of stuff down again this winter). Fox News folks are starting to come forward and promote the vaccine. I don't know if it's a lack of Trump or the realization that this ****'s about to hit their base hard, but they're slowly beginning to talk positively about the vaccine. The Alabama governor... ALABAMA, has started talking about the vaccine's benefits. This isn't going away soon, and it certainly isn't going away before it takes out a LOT more people.
Israel has a ton vaxxed. Delta is breaking through. LA has a ton vaxxed. Breaking through. Vaccines are still effective, but the Delta variant has altered spike proteins which helps it bypass the OG vaccines. The summer was nice while the vaccines held, but until we get the updated booster shots, I think we're right back to where we were before last fall.
I know I might not change your mind. I really do. But, I'd like to take a moment to ask you as someone who cares about Kentuckians and BBN, that you carry an open mind.
Be well.
Delta didn't mutate due to incomplete vaccinations. Perhaps the way you intended to use incomplete vaccinations isn't the same as how it reads. Corona viruses mutate and do so quickly. Much like the common cold, I doubt covid ever dies out.
I'll be fine in all likelihood. At least if it's just the Delta variant. Unimmunized folks increase the likelihood of a variant that more easily bypasses the current vaccines.
I was fortunate to get my vaccine. What about the people who can't take off work to get their shots? Can't get a shot due to medical reasons? Are immuno-suppressed? Fall victim to future iterations of the virus that could've been prevented? Can't get the vaccine because their parents or guardians refuse?
It's not about me. It's about people in my life that I love and who I don't want to watch wither away. I've had pneumonia before. If you have too, then you know it isn't something you want to wish upon anyone else.
Struggling to breathe, gasping for breathe, violent coughing, listening to your lungs gurgle with each breath as the liquid around the aveoli gives you an audible indicator of just how bad of shape you're in. It's terrifying, and it can be deadly. I wouldn't be here today without modern medicine. That's why I'll advocate for sound medical practices and medications until the day I die.
It isn't about me. It really isn't.
I actually went out for a lovely masked lunch with my family a couple hours ago. Everyone is vaccinated, so we felt relatively comfortable with the choice to go out. Thankfully, cases in our area haven't started to shoot up yet.
I often find solace in the outdoors. Easy to distance there. Plus I don't have to deal with people as much. Spending the day with my bow in my deer stand or a pole on a bank is a day well-spent. I appreciate your concern for my well-being, though.
Cheers.
It isn't a game of chance. People will be exposed, that's just how it is. The only variable is time.
The rest of your post is just made up stuff that has nothing to do with constitutional rights or state actors. Complete non sequitur.
Because current vaccines won't eradicate it. There is no zero covid.
If vaccines improve to the point where they eliminate transmissions altogether, then it should be reassessed.
Well many reasons why, here are a few
- Not all of us are selfish and only care about ourselves. I know empathy seems to be a foreign concept to some on this board, but some folks actually care about the wellbeing of others!
- There are millions of people who can't get the vaccine because of various reasons, such as children (either because of lack of parental consent or age), medical reasons, religious reasons, etc. who are vulnerable. And even people who have been unvaccinated who have a compromised immune system have a much less effective immune response from getting the vaccine than people with a strong immune system who have been vaccinated.
- The longer the virus hangs around and the more it spreads, the more likely it is to mutate and dilute the effectiveness of the vaccines. We're already seeing that with the delta variant. The next bad variant that comes around will likely be even more effective at working around the vaccines. I know some of y'all like to pimp natural immunity, but not everyone wants to face the potential short and long-term consequences of contracting COVID.
- Many hospitals are running out of emergency room space again, which causes increased backlogs and wait times for emergency services, both in and outside the hospital (like EMT response times). That potentially compromises the health and safety of everyone, never k now when you'll ahve a heart attack, stroke, car crash, house fire, natural disaster, etc. The more COVID patients that are in the hospital, the less space there is for people needing non-COVID care.
If you'd like to provide an explanation of how my post is nonsense, I'll happily have a discussion with you. Dialogue is a good thing.
Admittedly, it's been some years since I took my politician science classes in college, but I'd be happy to learn and adjust my position if necessary.
Fair point.There is an entire active covid thread in general topics. I'll respond to any general covid post there. This thread was derailed plenty enough as is.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I can see where what I said could come across that way. Good catch.
The salient point I was trying to make was that incomplete vaccination has allowed the variant to spread through the states.
If there had been an absolute blitz of vaccinations in certain parts of the world, we likely wouldn't have Delta. Though, vaccinating however many billions of people worldwide in the span of a few months was never a feasible goal.
Not sure if that clarifies my point. Fwiw, I totally agree with you. I just might not be conveying that well.
Au revoir. Have a great day, Man. Seriously. F*** this year and this virus.
So you're saying you don't see the benefit without eradication.
All of what you just said is absolute crap. The vaccine doesn’t prevent getting the virus. If you cared about humanity as in this post, you’d advocate for free insulin, free chemotherapy., and so on and don. Stop trying to be a humanitarian because you think your heroic by taking a vaccination that isn’t fda approved and something you have no knowledge of.
We're on the same page but one note of importance, delta was first identified in India in December 20. India didn't get their first vaccines until roughly 1/19/21. The cat was already out of the bag.
I am an advocate of universal healthcare, so what's your point?
None and not what was said. If there state is like KY they can fire him for any reason but he has the right not to get the vaccine.