Holloway comments with Popkin

[SHU Advisory]

Well at least he came on the post game and was respectful. Coming to terms with their warts. Most importantly, he needs to do the same with his warts.

Team has checked out on Sha. He shared the team refused to listen, space themselves, and are getting outplayed physically, and are giving up on themselves.

Also shared, since the Creighton/UConn games; the Big East refs have decided to start calling the games much tighter, after McDermott and Danny complained.

 

[Fishjam]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Also seemed to be insinuating that players are now showcasing for new gigs next year (they have their “people” in their ears).

Claimed he didn’t deserve a technical.

And says Budd needs to do more playmaking—particularly since he can’t shoot 3s. (Though there’s obviously a connection between those things—hard to playmake when opponents know you’re 0 threat behind line and none of your teammates are particularly sharpshooters either.)

 

[SHU Advisory]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

Fishjam,

Yes, comments directed at Clark, Simpkins and Hines.

 

[dehere23]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

That's always happened in college basketball, and it seemingly happens even more so in the transfer portal/NIL era. Every coach has to deal with this on various levels. Besides Clark or Hines, I'm not even sure who this would really be directed to, because they are the 2 most likely to cash in this offseason to certain degrees.

 

[shu09]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

Classic deflection tactic on his part. He's an egomaniac who can't bear to take any responsibility or admit fault.

 

[dehere23]

Also seemed to be insinuating that players are now showcasing for new gigs next year (they have their “people” in their ears).

Claimed he didn’t deserve a technical.

And says Budd needs to do more playmaking—particularly since he can’t shoot 3s. (Though there’s obviously a connection between those things—hard to playmake when opponents know you’re 0 threat behind line and none of your teammates are particularly sharpshooters either.)

Budd is the least of our problems IMO. He's a throwback and solid. Frankly, he's been better than I thought he would be on both ends of the court when you consider where he played the last 2 years. He was literally our only offense in the first half. This goes to the nuance thing that drives me bonkers when it comes to fan message boards (and I'm not saying you are doing this by any means, because you don't). Everything becomes so reactionary game to game. Clark hasn't been the "star" some were touting him as, but he is the least of my concerns going into any game.

 

[Fishjam]

That's always happened in college basketball, and it seemingly happens even more so in the transfer portal/NIL era. Every coach has to deal with this on various levels. Besides Clark or Hines, I'm not even sure who this would really be directed to, because they are the 2 most likely to cash in this offseason to certain degrees.

I don't see Hines being selfish although I'm sure he's the most attractive asset to Agents & coaches. Clark, Simpkins, Williams and Parker have all drawn Sha's ire. Fisher is just absolutely shot. He offers nothing to winning basketball. He couldn't even have a good game against his old team that was throwing games when he played for them.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

Budd is the least of our problems IMO. He's a throwback and solid. Frankly, he's been better than I thought he would be on both ends of the court when you consider where he played the last 2 years. He was literally our only offense in the first half. This goes to the nuance thing that drives me bonkers when it comes to fan message boards (and I'm not saying you are doing this by any means, because you don't). Everything becomes so reactionary game to game. Clark hasn't been the "star" some were touting him as, but he is the least of my concerns going into any game.

To be clear, I was relaying Sha’s comments about Clark—he said that while he is playing well, he nevertheless needs to do more playmaking, including getting to line and creating shots for his teammates. Sha is also the one that said he can’t/doesn’t shoot 3s. My commentary was only to add that Clark’s inability/unwillingness to 3s combined with fact we don’t have any other great sharpshooters is a hurdle to him playmaking the way that Sha wants him to.

 

[JTSHU]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

Thats bad. Is he guessing or does he know for a fact because this team played like a team in nov and dec

 

[jack 1970]

That's always happened in college basketball, and it seemingly happens even more so in the transfer portal/NIL era. Every coach has to deal with this on various levels. Besides Clark or Hines, I'm not even sure who this would really be directed to, because they are the 2 most likely to cash in this offseason to certain degrees.

Might be time to start thinking about who we want to have back next year. Clark and Hines are must keeps. Others are debatable.

 

[Fishjam]

Classic deflection tactic on his part. He's an egomaniac who can't bear to take any responsibility or admit fault.

He didnt stop there. He had a lot of people to blame. Blamed the refs repeatedly. Said the guy who gave him a tech for no reason was calling all the Fouls.said we drive to the basket more than our opponents but they got 35 Free Throws and we couldn't buy a foul.

He also said since the UConn game, that all the league officials are calling more fouls against SH because Hurley complained about it.

When Popkin mentioned Clark had a good first half, Sha said no he didn't. He's not playing well. He's not playmaking for others. Said AJ and Simpkins can score on their own and Budd isn't setting them up.

 

[MooneyHall07]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

If that is true then whoever is trying to get theirs is not doing a good job of it, except for maybe Budd.

 

[Hall Is Life]

Classic deflection tactic on his part. He's an egomaniac who can't bear to take any responsibility or admit fault.

I apologize for saying that you had an agenda a couple weeks ago. You were absolutely right and I was in La La Land.

 

[JTSHU]

I don't see Hines being selfish although I'm sure he's the most attractive asset to Agents & coaches. Clark, Simpkins, Williams and Parker have all drawn Sha's ire. Fisher is just absolutely shot. He offers nothing to winning basketball. He couldn't even have a good game against his old team that was throwing games when he played for them

I dont see selfishness on this team. I think they are all trying really hard. They just lack the talent. Payne has terrible hands but hes doing what he can. Fish is not a 4 and not his fault. The guards just cant shoot. Trey isnt a pg. Budd is working really hard. Hes finding the open man but cant finish. He had a good mid range shot tonight. What more can he do? If anything AJ was taking some quick shots but he has no more years left. These guys can showcase all they want. None of their numbers want me.bringing anybody back. Recruit over all of them. Id like to keep these guys together but at what price. None of their stats jump off the paper to me. Budd can play, najai is young but will prob produce. Nobody else impresses me for next year

 

[JTSHU]

He didnt stop there. He had a lot of people to blame. Blamed the refs repeatedly. Said the guy who gave him a tech for no reason was calling all the Fouls.said we drive to the basket more than our opponents but they got 35 Free Throws and we couldn't buy a foul.

He also said since the UConn game, that all the league officials are calling more fouls against SH because Hurley complained about it.

When Popkin mentioned Clark had a good first half, Sha said no he didn't. He's not playing well. He's not playmaking for others. Said AJ and Simpkins can score on their own and Budd isn't setting them up.

Budd is bustimg his *** to create. Those guys couldnt knock down shots. Thank god budd was hitting his mid range or we lose by 15

 

[HallGuy2323]

He said that people are getting in the players' ears and they are trying to get theirs instead of playing team basketball. Ouch.

We all knew that would happen. As soon as a season goes south if you want to earn the same or more next year you have to start showcasing yourself…. It’s inevitable with the open transfers

 

[jack 1970]

Fishjam,

Yes, comments directed at Clark, Simpkins and Hines.

Grass is always greener somewhere else.Ask them to call Coleman at OSU.7th man in rotation,22 mpg,8 ppg, shooting 5% from 3. $ doesn't buy you everything.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Might be time to start thinking about who we want to have back next year. Clark and Hines are must keeps. Others are debatable.

Clark is a must keep? Maybe at a 75% discount and as a backup

 

[JTSHU]

Grass is always greener somewhere else.Ask them to call Coleman at OSU.7th man in rotation,22 mpg,8 ppg, shooting 5% from 3. $ doesn't buy you everything.

I think isaiah is at 7ppg after today. For 1.5 mil?

 

[Turiddu]

It is hard to believe that this is the same team before the four-game slide.
The offense is atrocious, and they are playing like strangers who have never played together.

 

[ShuPirate2007]

There’s zero accountability from the university’s highest paid employee: NIL, handlers, refs, Hurley, are all to blame for today’s loss. Certainly not his dreadful offense and (lack of) leadership.

 

[shu09]

I apologize for saying that you had an agenda a couple weeks ago. You were absolutely right and I was in La La Land.

No need for that, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that he hasn't changed his stripes, despite a better record this year. He's the same old stubborn, below average college basketball coach.

 

[NIL BAD]

I don't see selfishness on this team either. They've lost confidence. Happens to the best of teams. He needs to build them back up instead of the constant tantrums.

We're also getting killed at the foul line during this losing streak. 17 FT's today to Depaul's 34. It's more than obvious Sha doesn't have the same respect of the officials that the more established coaches in the league do.

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Whose gotten better from Maui, who has emerged? No coincidence the slide

 

[Piratz]

Reminds me of 2011-12. Sha is too emotional. Rarely even keeled. The team started what today, 1/11? He’s right teams figured out how to play is. And zero adjustment.

Another half with 20 points scored. I lost track of how many times Greg Anthony said the offensive spacing is terrible with Seton Hall, lmao.

 

[CTF591011]

Try to be PG, but Fire Shaheen the golden boy Holloway, who has lived off that St Peters run beating the two biggest chokers Calipari and painter and I will trash this guy until he makes the tournament. We should've made it tbh in 2024 since NCAA, SEC, and that joke MWC corrupted the committee and STOLE a bid from its which is why I try to be rational and believe in Shaheen, but I don't care, outside 2024 he has been dreadful.

Yes we are 14-6, but have been beating trash and I don't care I believe Shaheen literally purposely scheduled a pathetic non-con to try to deceive fans and the players. It's pathetic bro. And the fact this team in almost every game has been down double digits. Like I enjoyed the wins, but I hated inside how we continued this terrible deficits. I thought we would figure it out by the UCONN game but this arrogant know it all, continued this till tonight. And the one time we looked good for a half and up double digits we still choke.

My nprobem with Holloway is we have seen the same thing we have seen with Willard, and I swear even with how awful the offense was with Willard, he at least got the guys to buy in with an offensive system that complimented the guys especially when we had Powell and his ISO play.

What's frustrating to me is we looked earlier in the year like a Creighton run offense, guys looked like they would like to cut and shoot decently. We they gone back to worst offense than even Willard which is my point. See it feels Shaheen scheduled terrible teams to make offense look that fluid or he idiotically changed the offense so team can follow this annoying super try hard defense style.

Well look what is happening? If we continue to lose, Shaheen and players deserve what's coming with criticism. For my opinion, based on his terrible attitude to media and questionable behavior to players he is very self centered. And the players seem to also carry this as well so this is not all Shaheen, but great to even just decent coaches bring guys in.

What've I've seen is arrogance and a disgrace to this fanbase. I know expectations aren't supposed to be high, but I want a program that will carry those 2016-2021 teams and that Cinderella 1989 team.

And thing with Shaheen, and why I am harsh, we he has been hyped like next John Thompson. Media and fans have put the expectations and I believed it when we hired him, but I feel he has shown to be like Shaka Smart was at VCU. One shot wonder riding off that one tourney run.

Maybe if fans didn't hype the guy up cause of that one tourney run and I really like Shaheen and will eat crow like a hypocrite if he gets us where we want, but he has failed miserably especially now.

 

[BlueWhiteKnight]

I dont see selfishness on this team. I think they are all trying really hard. They just lack the talent. Payne has terrible hands but hes doing what he can. Fish is not a 4 and not his fault. The guards just cant shoot. Trey isnt a pg. Budd is working really hard. Hes finding the open man but cant finish. He had a good mid range shot tonight. What more can he do? If anything AJ was taking some quick shots but he has no more years left. These guys can showcase all they want. None of their numbers want me.bringing anybody back. Recruit over all of them. Id like to keep these guys together but at what price. None of their stats jump off the paper to me. Budd can play, najai is young but will prob produce. Nobody else impresses me for next year

Agree with this take, I still seem a team trying hard but they don’t have the weapons to go toe to toe when their defense isn’t pitching a perfect game. I was optimistic as they piled up early wins that the offense would come around but they have zero 3 PT threat which has severely hampered their ability to compete now that teams have enough tape to gameplan against them. My best hope is they can keep a core and add to it for next season.

 

[Bud Boomer]

We suck at the moment. Whatever the reason, I’d just like for us to get back to not sucking again. It’s more fun that way.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Might be time to start thinking about who we want to have back next year. Clark and Hines are must keeps. Others are debatable.

The odds of Clark staying are 60% and Hines 10%. $$$$

 

[NYC Pirate]

I don't see selfishness on this team either. They've lost confidence. Happens to the best of teams. He needs to build them back up instead of the constant tantrums.

We're also getting killed at the foul line during this losing streak. 17 FT's today to Depaul's 34. It's more than obvious Sha doesn't have the same respect of the officials that the more established coaches in the league do.

I'd be more inclined to go along with the foul thing if it was a close game loss like USC. Butler bludgeoned The Hall, 4 legit makes in the 2nd Half at MSG and they had 1 basket in the first 7 minutes at DePaul. That was not a true 60 point
Output tonight. Felt more like high 40's or low 50's which is Atrocious. Can't say its the Refs.

 

[Hall91]

Pretty depressing situation. Shaheen’s leadership is in question right now whether anyone thinks it is correct or not.

AJ Stanton McCray just has had some invisible man type of performances. Clark is a good PG but not someone who can put a team on his back at this level. No doubt, the refs are calling everything tighter and that’s resulting in more points going to the oppnent via FTs which very much can be the difference in the games.

This is the concern with a team filled of transfer hired guns; when the going gets tough, wHo is really on board?

 

[King of S]

That's always happened in college basketball, and it seemingly happens even more so in the transfer portal/NIL era. Every coach has to deal with this on various levels. Besides Clark or Hines, I'm not even sure who this would really be directed to, because they are the 2 most likely to cash in this offseason to certain degrees.

How about keeping Hines on the court more than 8 minutes??

 

[shupat08]

Hopefully the conference fines the crap out of Sha for his post game comments about the refs, league officials, and his coaching peers

 

[dehere23]

Well at least he came on the post game and was respectful. Coming to terms with their warts. Most importantly, he needs to do the same with his warts.

Team has checked out on Sha. He shared the team refused to listen, space themselves, and are getting outplayed physically, and are giving up on themselves.

Also shared, since the Creighton/UConn games; the Big East refs have decided to start calling the games much tighter, after McDermott and Danny complained.

Those of us commented from the jump this season that foul trouble was going to be an issue. When you press and play as aggressive as we do, you are going to get more whistles against you. It gets to a point where "how much can the refs actually call", and IMO we often get away with much for that exact reason. It isn't a Seton Hall conspiracy. Heck, Zuby is the best defensive player in the league and he's been in foul trouble and gotten tough whistles during his last few games because of how often he switches on guards/wings and contests them off the bounce and at the rim.

 

[Piratz]

I'm not sure all the issues can be chalked up to simple film study or inevitable stat regression. The team is abandoning the type of movement and passing we had early in the season, that is clear. He's right about that.

The officials have definitely changed how they're calling us. We cannot be -15 from the FT line every game and win without the 3-ball.

For him to say it's people in their ears, OK Sha, then go fix it.

 

[shu67]

The coach should be in their ears first and foremost!

 

[shupat08]

I'm not sure all the issues can be chalked up to simple film study or inevitable stat regression. The team is abandoning the type of movement and passing we had early in the season, that is clear. He's right about that.

The officials have definitely changed how they're calling us. We cannot be -15 from the FT line every game and win without the 3-ball.

For him to say it's people in their ears, OK Sha, then go fix it.

I'm also convinced you can call SHU for about 4-5 fouls on every defensive position. It's how Sha coaches defense. It's a Sha problem not an officiating problem.

What's the old saying? "Adapt or die"

 

[Piratz]

I'm also convinced you can call SHU for about 4-5 fouls on every defensive position. It's how Sha coaches defense. It's a Sha problem not an officiating problem.

What's the old saying? "Adapt or die"

Agreed. Too much street ball toughness. It was the same thing last year with the fouling rates but nobody cared.

It’s under the microscope now too.

 

[Halldan]

If you remember I posted on the Trove after watching the Blue/White scrimmage and talking to one of the coaches...I told him we can't play like that once the season begins because we are fouling on near every play. He countered that Holloway coaches like that but the players have to learn the refs whistle in each game.

But that's easier said than done when you play as we do. Not always, but often the fouls called against us are legitimate.

Coach like that on D and the players are going to play like that in the game. Accept it but don't make the excuse that the whistle is unfair.