I’d rather go 7-5 and beat Ole Miss in football over a baseball championship, if I had to choose one over the other.
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I’d rather be competitive in all sports. This is one step closer to achieving that.
I'm not sure how many 17-ing ways it has to be said, but the baseball money is not pulling money away from football. At all.
The only thing here is YOU don't like how OTHER people are spending THEIR money. GTFO with that nonsense. You want more money towards football? Then YOU donate more money to football.
Let me break it down.
Football = profitable
Baseball = not profitable
Trying to not be good at football is stupid.
Trying to not be good at baseball is stupid.
I do not understand why so many think that Lebby won't be able to get the FB program moving in the right direction based on 1 years stats. He may or may not be the answer but we don't know that as of yet. Like it or not, FB pays the bills even at 2-10 it generated more $ than all the other sports combined.
Exactly. Basketball is a revenue sport but how many people show up to those games compared to baseball? My thought is there is a demand for excellence in baseball and the administration recognizes that. Does that mean that we stop trying in football of course not.
Just like people saying we don’t need an IPF. Well, if someone agrees to give you $50 million dollars you take it. If you feel like $50 million dollars could be better spent, then tell them where you want your $50 million dollars to go.
I think most financially supportive fans are two to three sport fans at the least. I also think that being good in at least one of the three keeps engagement up for the other two if only slightly. If we suck at all of them complete complacency kicks in and that’s when people put State way down the priority list.
I’ll also add that baseball is probably better for Starkville than basketball is. The Jackson and Tupelo crowd comes to a February Saturday 3:00 basketball game and heads home right after the buzzer. The baseball crowd hangs out all weekend and spends money. A better Starkville makes for a better State.
And you’d rather bring a water gun to a real gun fight. All I’ve said, is If we’re not going to fully commit, spend money and actually try to compete financially with Ole Miss and everyone else in football, then why in world would you try to compete doing common warfare strategy and schemes, but with great value talent. My point is, fine if this the level of attention and commitment you want to give to the football program, then at least use gorilla warfare. You have to be different to mitigate the talent gap and hope to catch better overall common schemed talent by surprise. That’s all my point has been. You could attempt this at a very high level with a while lot less money for coaches and especially players. Not to mention because of the style of play and uncommon scheme, you could hold on the players from being poached as much, and develop them. Which also bodes well for beating beater natural talent that comes and goes year to year.
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"I’d rather go 7-5 and beat Ole Miss in football over a baseball championship, if I had to choose one over the other."
What you are choosing is mediocrity then.
That was not your point in this thread. Your point was to trash baseball.
In your other thread about doing niche things in football, many people agreed, if I remember correctly.
It's better than having a pathetic wish like 7-5 over national championships.
"Profitable"... Dude go back to economics 101 class damn. You're stuck in 2015
Dude you are saying a bunch of stuff but making zero intelligent points.
Upside down implies its not profitable. It is profitable.
Not for a small market team that doesn't win it all. And even then it's not. Count all the salary, athletics budget and the NIL wasted. It's a loss even when you count it as brand spend. ROI is never
Do you know what upside down means?
You can make an argument the ROI isn't worth it but if you get kicked out of the SEC i can assure you the ROI will plummet.
Saying we should spend less on football and more on baseball or less on baseball and more on football is dumb either way.
We should try and win at both.
It is ok man, you are looking at a completely different ledger. And the fear of getting "kicked out of the SEC" is funny. We cannot win at football without spending 5X more. And even then it will be only a few more games. We are the new Vandy that will upset a team maybe here and there. At least for the next few years until the rules change on player salaries.
OM isn't much different than us and they're winning games but keep accepting that BS
Both of my points are tied together, with regards to focus, money, and level of commitment.
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I’d say the same thing to you about college baseball and women’s softball. As would the overwhelming majority of the country.
Any football team that is a member of the SEC is profitable, not because they are good or bad though. We are a prime example
They are different in that they are spending much more and they are also losing to inferior teams like Kentucky, LSU and Florida. We both missed the playoffs, as a reminder. But damn they felt great being ranked top 15 and winning against Georgia, South Carolina and Duke. That is priceless.
I'm all for baseball raising prices (they already have) and making money. That helps us and we can do it once the stadium is paid off. But we can't keep hiring inexperience on the football field. We were willing to pay Mullen $7MM a decade ago but we're still sitting here ripping through coaches at low costs. We refuse to nut up and build back our football program. Leach and Cohen created a mess that's going to take a couple years to level off but if Lebby can't win year 3, it's time to start looking around for a proven football coach and commit to football more.
Yes but if you let your football program suffer enough it’s going to cost in the long run.
2024
Ole miss football revenue - 75.3 million
OM expenses - 57.1 million
Profit - 18.1 million
MSU revenue - 44 million
Expenses - 36 million
Profit - 8 million
That’s double the profit
tell me again winning in football doesn’t matter?
can you imagine if we took that extra $10 million and put it to baseball and basketball only?
or gave half to football to catch up even more?
See my post below. you are absoletly wrong.
Ole miss is generating 30 million more in revenue than us and its equated to 10 million more in profit. ITS B/C THEY WENT 9-3 AND THREATENED THE PLAYOFFS!!!
Big difference is Ole Miss has good leadership, smart decision makers.
If their Hall of fame coach died they wouldn’t make naked drive through man the permanent head coach, let him fire the entire coaching staff , let boosters hire all their buddies , then install a garbage 1940s offense. You can’t nuke your own program when you are already working on a shoe string budget.
They aren't spending much more. They did it one cycle and it's been pretty similar to us since.
Everyone on here is 100% certain of our football future just like they were 100% certain, as of 1 week ago, that Zac Selmon could not land a big hire. This place is full of sheep. Everyone thinks the same.
1. Football was so bad last year. It was painful to watch.
2. Football fans have ‘baseball penis’ envy.
3. Why don’t y’all just shut the f*ck up and let us enjoy the Spring ritual of something better that a Toledo victory celebration.
4. It’s all about Maroon and White.
2. Football fans have ‘baseball penis’ envy.
3. Why don’t y’all just shut the f*ck up and let us enjoy the Spring ritual of something better that a Toledo victory celebration.
4. It’s all about Maroon and White.
When you make posts like you do, the only reply should be a simple one calling out how dumb your posts are.
I’d rather go 7-5 and beat Ole Miss in football over a baseball championship, if I had to choose one over the other.
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Dude, I enjoy football way more than baseball and victories over OM are always glorious ... But that's just crazy.I'd prefer a NCAA Championship in the Transgender Male's Cornhole Competition over just being slightly better than mediocre with our football program and not competing for a national championship.
Okay, that was some nasty hyperbole, but most definitely would prefer a championship in baseball, basketball (mens & womens), softball and probably golf and tennis. Natties are extra special for an institution and the athletic program.
And we spent more than we ever gave except on coach. But we also went
its a myth. College baseball is higher than women's basketball or softball.
Talk about eating your own. This thread certainly rose to the top. When did this "one or the other" mentally start? We should be pulling for all Big 3 sports and that support should be to foster excellence in all three. Mississippi State has numerous disadvantages compared to our fellow SEC members including financial, logistics, culture and population but they can be overcome as seen by football's 2014, basketball's 1996, and baseball's 2021. Reality will keep those successes infrequent but we can still achieve enough to be proud of the maroon & white.
I’d say the length of this thread and the constant back and forth would demonstrate that everyone does not think the same.
Absolute terrible take. Something somewhere needs a winning tradition. No one believes it is possible to consistently win at State in anything, but baseball proved it. Build on what you do well and let the winning get contagious to the rest.