Women’s college basketball is way more popular overall than college baseball. With your logic why didn’t we offer Vic 3 million? Not to mention women’s college softball is just as popular now as baseball and we only pay our softball coach $200 thousand a year.
I’d rather go 7-5 and beat Ole Miss in football over a baseball championship, if I had to choose one over the other.
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You can keep saying this as many times as you want, but it’s the same thing as telling UConn or SC that no one gives a damn about women’s basketball. They do, State fans care about baseball, and I’m not going to scold someone for giving money to something they love rather than a leftover safety from south Alabama that has a 50/50 shot of ever seeing the field for a 2-10 team.
When this football program starts to resemble something worth investing in again, there are conversations to be had, but Selmon and Lebby have work to do to prove to fans that money put into it isn’t money that’s being tossed straight down the drain.
Not sure why attendance and other issues matter. The thread started with someone's personal opinion about what they wanted, an opinion similar to choosing what to eat off a menu. I'd rather another baseball Natty instead of winning 7 games and beating Ole Miss, something I'd like to see but doesn't really matter to anyone outside of MS. I prefer sweet potato fries over regular fries. I know they are slightly healthier but that's not why I prefer them.
First of all, as I pointed out already, women’s basketball is three time more popular nationally than college baseball. So UConn and SC investing in women’s basketball over baseball is good logic. Not to mention SC pays its football coach over 8 million a year. UConn football on the other hand is independent and not even in a league.
What other P5 school pays their football coach and staff the least out of everyone else in their conference, and at the same time pays their baseball coach more than anyone else in the entire nation. Most backwoods and asinine thing ever.
MSU baseball broke even last season on the P&L while SC women’s basketball lost 5.6M
I’m not going to sit here and pretend that either is a sound financial investment, but don’t let TV rating comparisons fool you. Even with a $2.9M coach salary, no sport is bleeding money nationally like women’s hoops
Absolute terrible take. Something somewhere needs a winning tradition. No one believes it is possible to consistently win at State in anything, but baseball proved it. Build on what you do well and let the winning get contagious to the rest.
Absolutely. I'd much rather have rays of light in successful teams that win consistently and can possibly win National Championships than teams that struggle to have a winning season and have no hope of ever winning a NC. It's hard to be proud of your school when it's the doormat and has been forever. For God sakes, support something somewhere that wins. Every State graduate I know is very successful. The school needs to find something for them to be able to support.
Let's simplify this.
A 5 Million investment to baseball at MSU would make us a constant big boy year after year.
A 5 Million investment to football takes us from a 6-6 team to a 7-5 team and still is nowhere near the big boys of the SEC.
We will never keep up with the Joneses in college football, why not go all out in a sport where we can be the best? Trust me, this investment in baseball isn't going to hurt us in football.
And some of you my god... are you seriously questioning why Mississippi State would be making a monumental commitment to college baseball? Look at yourself in the mirror and ask that question. We invest in football just enough to stay competitive because we aren't able to invest like the larger schools. College football is a slowly dying sport anyway the way things are going.
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Let’s keep simplifying. Why not make that same investment in women’s basketball or softball or volleyball. With that kind of investment we could be really awesome in those sports, even better than baseball. My point is a 7-5 football team that beats ole Miss most of the time, is way better than being one of the better sec baseball teams. Better investment, better everything.
You’re beginning to get on the right track but that’s awful for football from your perspective…
Social media: Football has 200K followers on Facebook. Baseball is second with 99K followers. WBK is third with 58K followers. Softball has 40K followers. Men’s Basketball has 32K followers. Volleyball has 19k and Soccer 9K.
The argument can be made that MSU’s social media follows mean that football’s funding levels is over-supplied…
Specifically football finding should be around 10 percent less with the monies going to women’s basketball, soccer, and volleyball.
That’s called Better investment. Better everything.
Of course that’s not going to happen.
So with that said, be careful about your talking points because they ain’t good ones.
I would trade missing the postseason in baseball for the next 10 years for one 10 win season in football this year.
MSU Football has only 26K more followers on Instagram than MSU Baseball (186k to 160k)
From a social media standpoint, Football is a 98 pound weakling and Baseball is the BMOC in Starkville.
The argument can be made that the Real Front Door is baseball.
The second argument is that MSU Athletics needs to work more on MBK, WBK, Volleyball, and Soccer.
Perhaps the answer to your question lies here. Exactly how often, and for how long, have we ever even been that level you act like is an option on the table(7-5 team that beats Ole Miss most of the time)? Even before the portal / NIL?
Looking at our 3 most successful tenured coaches:
JWS went 6-6(ish) on average over 13 years. Went 7-6 in Egg Bowls (.538 winning percentage).
Mullen went 7-5 on average over 9 years, and went 5-4 in Egg Bowls.
Leach was the only other competent coach we’ve had in the modern era. If you give him 2 patsy nonconference wins in 2020 to account for schedule imbalance that year, he averages around 7-5 for 3 years, 1-2 in Egg Bowls.
Put ‘em all together, its a quarter century of data of our best coaches. Its all largely before we were set at a massive disadvantage with portal / NIL. And its still less than a 7-5 average, and its 13-12 against Ole Miss….just barely over .500.
Long story short, this “7-5 and beat Ole Miss most of the time” status isn’t even achievable or sustainable for us. Its not an option, regardless of your preference. Not over any extended period of time, anyway, and especially not now that the entire landscape has shifted.
ummmmm what
Natty in ANYTHING > 7-5 football team
**EDIT** okay maybe not anything... but id take one in baseball, m/w basketball longggggggg before a 7-5 football team.
Natty in ANYTHING > 7-5 football team
**EDIT** okay maybe not anything... but id take one in baseball, m/w basketball longggggggg before a 7-5 football team.
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