I see Rutgers playing in the Rose Bowl within 5 Years

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This is 2023 not 2003. It doesn't take 5 years let alone 8 years to turn over a roster. The portal has accelerated the process so much. The field house is won't have a huge impact. Schools open/renovate facilities all the time. It not going to produce a huge surge in recruiting. Even if it open for the 2025 season likely any impact won't be felt until the 26/27 class.

Wrong, it takes 5 years if you are unable to recruit top line talent from the portal. We will continue to use the portal to fill holes. Not expecting a huge surge, but it should help us get a handful of 4 ⭐️ players.
 
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Recruiting is subpar at best
Coaching leaves a lot to be desired
Talent.. not there
Development of players?
NIL - not even close

It’s not 1964. You need to score points
I love you enthusiasm, but you’re way off here

This is a defense first program. Scoring points isn’t as important to the head coach. Defense is ready to go, from a talent and depth perspective, led by All American candidates Aaron Lewis and Max Melton. There is a solid group of starters backed up by quality depth. Offense still has a ways to go.
 

MADHAT1

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2023, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2024, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2025, 6-6, Pinstripe Bowl

(Football Fieldhouse Opens)

2026, 7-5, Outback Bowl
2027, 10-2, Rose Bowl
stay optimistic Al, it's great to see someone with an : we can do it attitude posting that way.
The we';ll never be good enough attitude many RU fans have makes being optimistic about RU FB frustrating at times when trying to see a bright football future for the team .
 

RUforlife

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For the context of our situation, yes. This is a big job which requires 8 years of effort if the status quo is maintained. Things can be accelerated if our fanbase supports NIL, and the football fieldhouse is built.
OMG! 8 years to rebuild a football program, only at Rutgers would this even be considered possible. US presidents only get a max of 8 years to change the world, yet it takes 8 years to get a college football team to play .500 football at Rutgers.
 

PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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Wrong, it takes 5 years if you are unable to recruit top line talent from the portal. We will continue to use the portal to fill holes. Not expecting a huge surge, but it should help us get a handful of 4 ⭐️ players.
Who is responsible for that? No one saying top line talent but certainly enough to win more than 6 games in year 5. There no reason you can't put together enough talent in 5 years to win 7 plus games.
 

Knight Shift

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2023, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2024, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2025, 6-6, Pinstripe Bowl

(Football Fieldhouse Opens)

2026, 7-5, Outback Bowl
2027, 10-2, Rose Bowl

Springsteen wrote a song about you, al:
 
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Who is responsible for that? No one saying top line talent but certainly enough to win more than 6 games in year 5. There no reason you can't put together enough talent in 5 years to win 7 plus games.

Penn State is well supported, so you don’t have a proper frame of reference.

How so, when you have 3 guaranteed losses in Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State. Another two in Wisconsin and likely USC. And then Maryland, with whom we’ve struggled with. Playing a Bug Ten schedule like Rutgers is, and you run out of opportunities very quickly.
 
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OMG! 8 years to rebuild a football program, only at Rutgers would this even be considered possible. US presidents only get a max of 8 years to change the world, yet it takes 8 years to get a college football team to play .500 football at Rutgers.

When the program isn’t properly supported, things take longer. Want things faster? Write an NIL check like I did and convince your friends to do the same.
 
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Penn State is well supported, so you don’t have a proper frame of reference.

How so, when you have 3 guaranteed losses in Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State. Another two in Wisconsin and likely USC. And then Maryland, with whom we’ve struggled with. Playing a Bug Ten schedule like Rutgers is, and you run out of opportunities very quickly.
Come on even Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Illinois, and Purdue have coaches that didn't need 5+ seasons to win more than 6 games. Heck everyone likes to say Franklin can't coach but even he had two 9 win season at Vanderbilt in 3 years yet you think it unreasonable to expect that from Schiano? You can't say those programs are so much better supported.
 
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This is a defense first program. Scoring points isn’t as important to the head coach. Defense is ready to go, from a talent and depth perspective, led by All American candidates Aaron Lewis and Max Melton. There is a solid group of starters backed up by quality depth. Offense still has a ways to go.
This is a play not to lose, bend but don’t break, stuck in the early 2000s type program

You need to score points to win. Not play pop Warner offense and hope your defense can save the day

It’s not the big east 2006. Evolve, or continue getting smoked
 

bigmatt718

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This is a play not to lose, bend but don’t break, stuck in the early 2000s type program

You need to score points to win. Not play pop Warner offense and hope your defense can save the day

It’s not the big east 2006. Evolve, or continue getting smoked
Even at the NFL level, the teams who win big today are offense first teams who play to score every time they touch the ball like the Chiefs and Eagles. 2 more years of dinosaur football and then Hobbs can hire an offense first HC.
 
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tico brown

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Come on even Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Illinois, and Purdue have coaches that didn't need 5+ seasons to win more than 6 games. Heck everyone likes to say Franklin can't coach but even he two 9 win season at Vanderbilt in 3 years yet you think it unreasonable to expect that from Schiano? You can't say those programs are so much better supported.
Too much logic
 
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MADHAT1

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Going from a HC that left the with a 8-22 record and expecting a winner quickly shouldn't be expected .
Also acting like a HC going into his 4th year can't make the program a winner because the program regressed to 4-8 from the 5-7 regular season record ( with a bowl appearance making the year a 5-8 one) is a bit much to take.
It's like aRU fans want to give up and go along with PSU fans that always look to put RU FB down.
Schiano is going into his 4th year and has proven in the past he can make RU FB a respectable program, yet it's like some here want him to fail.
Other program's fans that come here I can expect failure is an option talk, RU fans should tell them, RU won't fail and we expect it to become a winner
by the 5th year.
Then we can start looking at making the playoffs in year 8 and lose the debbie downer attitude that allows opponents to come on this site to put down the RU FB program and find supporters , unlike Al who strongly supports RU FB and finds mostly detractors.

Schiano made RU good enough in year two to go bowling, the four previous years RU was in the toilet bowl .
 
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yesrutgers01

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GS needs 5 wins this year or just move on...And stop the talk of a development team...That is ******** loser talk.

Sorry, bt someone really just has to say it.

He made the defense into a good P5 defense- and that is without the means to NIL or a bunch of 4-5 stars.

That should tell you it can be done. He sucks with the offense and we went a whole damn year not even recruiting a QB when we didn't even have one that could play yet.
At this point- no more excuses. Get us 5 wins and let's see the offense turn the corner.
 

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LOL!!! Al just woke up from hibernation. FYI, this is the year 2023 Al. Please refer to the past decade of Scarlet Knights Footbal.
 

LETSGORU91_

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2023, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2024, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2025, 6-6, Pinstripe Bowl

(Football Fieldhouse Opens)

2026, 7-5, Outback Bowl
2027, 10-2, Rose Bowl
Al, what make you a better prognosticator than Leonte Carroo??

Caroo...Rose Bowl
We did play in the gator bowl in 2021. Keep the APR high enough and with another pandemic we could be there.
That was a pure gift and wasn't based on athletic accomplishments.
 

brgRC90

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stay optimistic Al, it's great to see someone with an : we can do it attitude posting that way.
The we';ll never be good enough attitude many RU fans have makes being optimistic about RU FB frustrating at times when trying to see a bright football future for the team .
Well, we have 2 kinds of the "we'll never be good enough fans": 1. We'll never be good enough because "even Jesus couldn't win at Rutgers with Satan as OC" 2. We'll never be good enough while Schiano is the HC.
 

MADHAT1

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"That was a pure gift and wasn't based on athletic accomplishments."
The athletic accomplishments were winning enough games to qualify.
So it might have been a gift, but one that was earned.
 
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LotusAggressor_rivals

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This is a defense first program. Scoring points isn’t as important to the head coach. Defense is ready to go, from a talent and depth perspective, led by All American candidates Aaron Lewis and Max Melton. There is a solid group of starters backed up by quality depth. Offense still has a ways to go.
A program with a head coach for whom scoring points isn't important is a program that will lose a lot of games.
 

NickRU714

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I already have way too many posts/threads saved for later viewing and chuckling. Can someone else save this one? After the "Schiano earned an extension" thread - I'm tapped out on saving posts.
 

Morrischiano2

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2023, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
2024, plateau year, 4-8 to 6-6
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2026, 7-5, Outback Bowl
2027, 10-2, Rose Bowl
You are very pessimistic. Most of us believe we will be in the National Championship in 2024.
 
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Come on even Indiana, Minnesota, Maryland, Illinois, and Purdue have coaches that didn't need 5+ seasons to win more than 6 games. Heck everyone likes to say Franklin can't coach but even he had two 9 win season at Vanderbilt in 3 years yet you think it unreasonable to expect that from Schiano? You can't say those programs are so much better supported.

With the exception of Maryland, those other programs have been in the Big Ten a lot longer than we have, and have updated facilities, allowing them to recruit better than we have. We’ve only been full members since like 2001.

There is possibility we get 6 this or next year. More than 6 will likely have to wait till year 6, at the present trajectory.
 
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This is a play not to lose, bend but don’t break, stuck in the early 2000s type program

You need to score points to win. Not play pop Warner offense and hope your defense can save the day

It’s not the big east 2006. Evolve, or continue getting smoked

To score points, you need lots of offensive talent at the skill positions, which we lack. NIL is not a meaningful factor for us. Playing tough defense and running the ball is the way this coach wants to do things.
We will win our share of games after year 6.