Al didn’t u say the same thing 3 years ago. So we’re beating OSTATE, Michigan and State Penn or USC, State Penn and UCLA all in the same season. Don’t think if we dial in at 4-8 in 23 and 24 we will be able to recruit enough talent to make the RB in 27.
I see Rutgers playing in the Rose Bowl within 5 Years
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More excuses Al, BB 2nd season at Illinois and he got it done. PT and Rhule have been in their position a year and they aren’t talking about a 5 year plan. It the coach job to make it happen, if GS doesn’t have a winning season in year 4 and 5, you want us to give him 2 more years.SMH
BB got it done quickly because Lovie smith did a decent job recruiting, something Chris Ash struggled with. They benefit from a new S&C facility which opened in 2019.
Nebraska has top notch facilities and alumni willing to write significant NIL checks, something we lack. They don’t lack for talent. We lack talent on the offensive side of the ball.
This is a slow build because we are doing it with mostly 2 and 3 star high school recruits, who have to be developed. This takes time.
Dull, boring, no buzz, lifeless football doesn’t attract much interest.
Stadium will be a morgue
If you're willing to wait 6 years for results, that's on you
Other programs (Sparty, CU, etc.) are doing it much quicker
I wanted GS back, thinking he learned from his previous mistakes and had evolved
It finally hit me in the Nebraska game last year that he'll never change
Great coordinator, leader of men, and program builder
But stubborn to a fault, and a medic ore (at best) game day coach
Yep. The Nebraska and especially the Maryland game last year lost me with Schiano 2.0. He's what Edsall 2.0 was for UConn, a fossil trapped in his own time without the ability or the willingness to adapt. 2 years of substandard football and then Hobbs can pull the plug and hire an offense first HC like the rest of the damn sport. Hoping Mike Elko doesn't win too big too quickly at Duke because he'd be exactly who I'd want here.
MSU and CU have boosters writing big checks. You want faster results, write a big check. If we can get 100 people to write a check for $10K to NIL, we can get ourselves a top notch transfer WR1 for $1M. Talk is cheap. It’s put up or shut up time. Or we simply wait.
What do you mean Nebraska and Maryland lost you. Maryland invested $300M in a state of the art football facility. Nebraska invested big money in their football facility a long time ago. Many of our fans are asking for results but haven’t invested in the football program to achieve them.
Not beating the worst team in Nebraska history or getting past the 50 yard line vs Maryland is a disgrace. Keep supporting dinosaur football, you're the problem, not the solution.
This thread reminds me of how difficult it is to build something in football. I know Maryland is sometimes referred to here as a team that is pulling that off, but who really knows how well they will do moving forward. Maybe they just got lucky by snagging a great QB.
I understand the doubts about Coach Schiano, but on the other hand, he has a lot more experience with this than any of us.
As a fellow B1G newbie fan, and a New Jersey resident, I hope it works out at Rutgers, whatever it takes...
I understand the doubts about Coach Schiano, but on the other hand, he has a lot more experience with this than any of us.
As a fellow B1G newbie fan, and a New Jersey resident, I hope it works out at Rutgers, whatever it takes...
From 2010-2020, Kansas was the worst team in Power 5 going 20-108. They got 6 wins and went to a bowl game in the current coaches 2nd season.
James Franklin took over Vanderbilt who was 31-76 from 2002-2010 and went 6-7 their first year, then 9 wins his next two years.
Speaking of Vanderbilt, Clark Lea is slowly but surely rebuilding that program, going 5-7 in his second season after taking over a program who went 27-55 after Franklin left.
Mike Locksley took over a Maryland program who went 38-61 from 2011-2018 and have taken them to two straight bowl wins in his third/fourth seasons.
And there’s Illinois where absolutely NO ONE GAVE A RATS ARSE… PERIOD from 2005-2020, going 26-97 with 6 coaches. Bret Bilema took over and promptly went 5-7, 8-5 his first two years there.
Lots of coaches who take over programs don’t need a 6-8 year rebuild and just have done more with less in the BCS and CFP eras. But it’s always SCHIANO NEEDS TIME, ONLY SCHIANO KNOWS HOW TO COACH AT RUTGERS, or whatever.
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You all engage him which is wrong. It's like feeding into the fantasies of a delusional child except he's an adult everyone in this thread is supposed to be smarter than this.
why that long? hate to say it, but TULANE did it fairly quick with less recruiting? not a believer in having to take 4-5yrs...
I agree they have boosters writing big checks
They also didn't sit idle and wait for the current coach to turn things around
CU went out and hired Deion
MSU went out and hired Mel Tucker
Deion has the "it" factor
Tucker energized a fan base that was stale after D'Antonio left
What has Greg shown you that says he's going to turn things around?
His recruiting, especially since Fran left, has been subpar
Game day coaching has been meh at best
Penalties out the ***
Zero offense
Not a little, I mean none. Zilch. Looks like a middle school team out there
The buck stops with Greg
He's the guy in charge, and he's not working for free
You give him 2 more years, tops
Last year was simply unacceptable
If he doesn't turn things around, spend some of this newfound B1G money on either a proven coach, or an up and comer that you believe has potential
But to keep drinking the GS kool aid, especially after this past disaster of a year, is foolhardy at best
It the coach job to recruit, both Nebraska and Colorado will be in the top 30 in recruit ranking this year because of their coach. That is on the coach, if you can’t create buzz around ur program, you won’t be able to recruit. How do u expect to win a RB in 27 recruiting 2 and 3 stars. You can’t have a coach have potentially 5 losing season and blame it in the previous coach
Those Chris Ash players are now Seniors, if they’re still around. How about the Juniors and Sophmores that Schiano recruited? Or the coaching staff who had three years with three Schiano classes to wipe off the “Ash Errors?”
Iowa and Wisconsin among others have done this most of the time.
There is also possibility that we might win 10 games, but a very slight one. Nothing from last year suggests we should expect a better team this year. I hope we see improvement but right now we have nothing to go on.
There could be a deal with Satan we don't know about.
I just bought 1st base seats for 2025 Pinstripe Bowl...Thanks Al
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I think GS even said this early in his first tenure. He said something to the effect that success is 80 percent talent & “iron sharpens iron” meaning u need to practice against the best to be at your best. The Moose never forgets
The offense is no longer going to be a cluster because we hired seasoned professional Kirk Ciarocca to run it.
Kirk Ciarocca has had two 1K receivers in the same season while at Western Michigan and Minnesota. He adapts the playbook to the talent onhand.
Schiano is not averse to throwing the ball. In 2008, we had Tiquan Underwood and Kenny Britt who caught a ton of passes, and Britt was drafted in the first round. There will be more to come.
Did anyone around the program recently give birth to a baby after a difficult pregnancy?
It was cool we got a bowl game that way in year 2 . But not something we should brag about
Building Rutgers into a team similar to the 2001 Miami Hurricanes, has always popped into my mind, especially since I knew many players from that team, having gone to grad school there. And guess who was involved in recruiting many of the players for that team: Greg Schiano, spending the ‘99 and ‘00 seasons there. The hardest working group of people I’ve ever known:
2001 Miami Hurricane Starters
LT - Bryant McKinnie - Woodbury, NJ - 2 star
LG - Sherko Haji Rasouli - Montreal - 2 star / Ed Wilkins - Plainfield, NJ
C - Brett Romberg - Ontario - 4 star
RG - Martin Bibla - Pennsylvania- 2 star
RT - Joaquin Gonzalez - Miami - Walkon
RB - Clinton Portis - Miami, Willis Mcgahee - Miami, Frank Gore - Miami
TE - Jeremy Shockey - Oklahoma- 4 Star Juco Transfer
TE - Robert Williams - 3 star - Dallas, TX
WR - Andre Johnson - 5 star
WR - Darryl Jones - 4 star
Defense
DE - Jamaal Greene - Camden, NJ - 3 star
DT - William Joseph - Miami - 4 star
NG - Matt Walters - 2 star - Florida
DE - Jerome Mcdougle - Florida, 3 star, Juco transfer
LB - DJ Williams - California- 5 star; recruited by Greg Schiano
MLB - Jonathan Vilma - Coral Gables, FL - 4 star
LB - Chris Campbell - TX - 4 star
CB - Philip Buchanan - 4 star
CB - Mike Rumph - 5 star
SS - Ed Reed - Louisiana - 4 star
FS - James Lewis - Piscataway, NJ - 3 star
2001 Miami Hurricane Starters
LT - Bryant McKinnie - Woodbury, NJ - 2 star
LG - Sherko Haji Rasouli - Montreal - 2 star / Ed Wilkins - Plainfield, NJ
C - Brett Romberg - Ontario - 4 star
RG - Martin Bibla - Pennsylvania- 2 star
RT - Joaquin Gonzalez - Miami - Walkon
RB - Clinton Portis - Miami, Willis Mcgahee - Miami, Frank Gore - Miami
TE - Jeremy Shockey - Oklahoma- 4 Star Juco Transfer
TE - Robert Williams - 3 star - Dallas, TX
WR - Andre Johnson - 5 star
WR - Darryl Jones - 4 star
Defense
DE - Jamaal Greene - Camden, NJ - 3 star
DT - William Joseph - Miami - 4 star
NG - Matt Walters - 2 star - Florida
DE - Jerome Mcdougle - Florida, 3 star, Juco transfer
LB - DJ Williams - California- 5 star; recruited by Greg Schiano
MLB - Jonathan Vilma - Coral Gables, FL - 4 star
LB - Chris Campbell - TX - 4 star
CB - Philip Buchanan - 4 star
CB - Mike Rumph - 5 star
SS - Ed Reed - Louisiana - 4 star
FS - James Lewis - Piscataway, NJ - 3 star
I understand what you're saying but these might not be the best examples. Colorado hasn't played a single game yet under their new coach so who knows how that works out and MSU with the $9 million dollar man went from 11-2 to 5-7 in one year and the only beat us by six points at home.
Illinois would have been a better example to make your point.
Did you just compare Rutgers to one of the best college football teams in history???
Did you just compare Rutgers to one of the best college football teams in history???
One of the best college football teams in history that Greg Schiano had a prominent role in building, from ‘99 to ‘00, don’t forget. He helped do it once, he can do it again. He’s recruited elite players at Penn State, Miami, and Ohio State.
Why can’t he consistently recruit elite players at Rutgers? Because people will run their mouth on message boards but won’t open their wallet. Which is sad, because our fans have money. They just don’t want to spend it supporting Rutgers football. There’s no Wall Street and 6 and 7 figure bonuses in Ann Arbor or Columbus.
It’s the school, alumni apathy and the overall football product. We throw up the football Fieldhouse and seriously support NIL, we will win our share of championships. It’s not going to happen on its own though. It will happen because people care.
We live in the best location in America. There’s no reason why we can’t attract the best college football players in America. What is holding us back, is that when recruits visit Ohio State and Michigan, they see programs committed to the highest level of success. Those are Cadillac type programs. When they visit Rutgers, they see a Chevy type program. Almost impossible for a Chevy to compete with a Cadillac which is reflected in the recruiting. Whose choosing a Chevy when they can choose a Cadillac? We properly support this program and it will be a Bugatti!
That's a good point
Although I'd think CU and MSU would have longer staying power, due to larger $$ boosters and historical program success
Free agency is changing the game though in college football for sure
To me he used a team from TWENTY TWO years ago to prove his point. Nothing like being a supporter of Dinosaur Football like using a team from ancient history as an example to prove your argument.Did you just compare Rutgers to one of the best college football teams in history???
I’m sure Butch Davis, Larry Coker, Randy Shannon, Mark Stoops, Chuck Pagano, Rod Chudzinski, Greg Mark, Art Kehoe and the other coaches had nothing to do with recruiting the players for that football team, eh?
With all the billion dollar Forbes 500 corporations in NJ, the best Rutgers can do to for stadium naming rights is High Points Solutions and SHI. At least people know Jersey Mikes. Publicity for this team is subpar. Customer service for season tickets, tickets, passes, or anything else Rutgers Football is subpar, esp seeing The stories I read here and heard about people having a hard time renewing season tickets or whatever is hilarious that this is how a Power 5 program sells their tickets.
Oh, and WTH is the alumni support, which could add a big lump on the budget and get things done.
But yeah… it’s the message board fans fault.
I’m going to reserve judgement until December. If Rutgers win 6 games this year, GREAT. If not then it’s the head coach not hiring the right coaches since 2020 and the coaches who have done well has gone elsewhere. He does not get 2 or 3 second chances to right his staff.
He is in his 4th season and as I stated elsewhere, other coaches has done more with less under worse circumstances than Rutgers within the 10 years (After 2006). It can be done here.
If fans don’t care enough about the football program, why should corporations? Ironically, because there is so little fan support there is very little corporate support. Corporations think in terms of ROI, and the business case to support Rutgers is very weak.
Of course the rest of those Miami coaches had an integral part of Miami’s success. But Greg Schiano would have had the Miami job if he hadn’t taken the Rutgers job. Which shows he had a prominent role in their success.
Pony up or shut up. You write a big check and you can have say. Posting on a messageboard doesn’t give you say. He will be back next year and you will like it.
So you think because you spend lots of money donating you can post whatever drivel you want and people who spend less can’t? That sounds elitist. You’re really full of it now, telling me what to do.You feel so passionate about this, you should go to the NJ corporates and tell them to support NJ team instead of telling message board people to STFU.