If you are a Governor when you open things back up ?

[LineSkiCat14]

Restaurants can open up if they want, I'm still not going into one. I'd guess at least 30% of the population is similar to me. Restaurants are screwed no matter what.

I probably won't either. That said, bars will have their own restrictions. Everything more sanitized, reduced capacity and spacing, staff wearing masks and gloves. They opened up the farmers markets this week, but with like 20 guidelines, strict enough to make me think there's just no way someone can catch this unless you got legit coughed on at the produce stand.

Again, I am going to give it a few weeks after the first initial open, to see what the virus numbers do.. but bars were fine during normal flu seasons, and they would be substantially more "un-clean" then, as they are now. IMO, there's hundreds of reasons you will be less susceptible in one tomorrow, than you would in January.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Restaurants can open up if they want, I'm still not going into one. I'd guess at least 30% of the population is similar to me. Restaurants are screwed no matter what.

Chain restaurants, maybe.

20 to 40 year olds who frequent the small independent restaurants I’m worried about not coming back? I’d imagine the percentage that won’t go to a restaurant is far lower than 30%.

If DeWine and Beshear stepped out of the way, restaurants would be sold out this weekend.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Possibly. But there are also a lot of people that are making money on this. In my circle, I'd say more people are profiting off this than are being hurt, financially speaking. I am in NY, though. I can't really speak to rural America.

What I do think will be a problem: How many people will risk going to a somewhat crowded bar and what will the limits be on capacity? SO yeah, it will take a while. But if the bar around the corner can go to half capacity, and therefore hire half it's staff back, that's a start.

Testing is also going to help. More and more testing centers are opening by me, and a new wave of anti-body tests are being done. That will also help.

I can't speak for others when it comes to bars, except that I do think there will be a lot of people going at first. I'll be there with bells on from day one and making up for lost time in spades.

 

[cole854]

I am in NY, though.

In the city or somewhere upstate? My wife is in midtown 150 days a year up until March 5th....her firm is hoping for a June office opening but dependent on Cuomo, Delta, and the hotels.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Pepp and Delores in OTR in Cincinnati had 3-4 hour wait times right before forced economic depression. I can assure you the people who were willing to wait multiple hours for a meal are going to be right back out as soon as DeWine stops arbitrarily deeming some people not worthy of earning a livelihood.

 

[bigsmoothie]

No way in hell he beats a strong R who can avoid the habit of sounding like a dumb *** ( Bevin) You are crazy. He squeaked by Bevin and Bevin was ... Bevin.

Sore loser

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Chain restaurants, maybe.

20 to 40 year olds who frequent the small independent restaurants I’m worried about not coming back? I’d imagine the percentage that won’t go to a restaurant is far lower than 30%.

If DeWine and Beshear stepped out of the way, restaurants would be sold out this weekend.

It's a good point. I'd personally never set foot in a chain restaurant, unless I had to. And those places not only attract the older population, but also a poorer population. You go to some of these brew-pubs and gastro-bars.. you're spending $6-8 bucks for a beer and $10+ for any mixed drink.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

In the city or somewhere upstate? My wife is in midtown 150 days a year up until March 5th....her firm is hoping for a June office opening but dependent on Cuomo, Delta, and the hotels.

Upstate. Albany area. Lived in the Bronx for 5 years though. Albany county still has about 300k residents. So it's actually a pretty good mix. My mom owns her own law firm so she's in the same boat. They had to let go of a few positions.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I can't speak for others when it comes to bars, except that I do think there will be a lot of people going at first. I'll be there with bells on from day one and making up for lost time in spades.

I do think it will be a tough road. Can they get their staff back? That's another question. But yeah, we're still basically 2 weeks out from even the chance at reopening.. which is 2 more weeks of declining cases and new breakthroughs. Once I feel comfortable, I'm going to drop some SERIOUS coinage at all my local spots.

Part of our ritual for March Madness was to go to a local sports bar and watch the games from 11:30am until midnight.. different people would meet us at different times based on work.. but our bar tabs at the end of the night were obscene. Sometimes be like 2-$300/person lol. So I'm certainly going to make up for that.

 

[ManitouDan]

I know this horse is near dead but my employees brought it back up -- I checked the Ky Covid website and there is no executive order from the Gov that come May 11th business employees MANDATORY mask -- correct ? He suggested it , or used the language " should wear a mask " -- correct ?

 

[CatsFanGG24]

I know this horse is near dead but my employees brought it back up -- I checked the Ky Covid website and there is no executive order from the Gov that come May 11th business employees MANDATORY mask -- correct ? He suggested it , or used the language " should wear a mask " -- correct ?

Thought he said employee mandatory...general public not working is highly suggested to wear one. He made that distinction yesterday, although I don’t know about the exec order.

 

[cole854]

I know this horse is near dead but my employees brought it back up -- I checked the Ky Covid website and there is no executive order from the Gov that come May 11th business employees MANDATORY mask -- correct ? He suggested it , or used the language " should wear a mask " -- correct ?

From the Kentucky.gov site....he says "should" and "essential business" and if you can't maintain the sd rules.

Masks
The Governor said that by May 11, everybody working for an essential business that is reopening should be wearing a mask. Going to the grocery, into any place of business or any place where social distancing of keeping at least six-feet apart might be broken, the Governor said every Kentuckian should be wearing a mask.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Pepp and Delores in OTR in Cincinnati had 3-4 hour wait times right before forced economic depression. I can assure you the people who were willing to wait multiple hours for a meal are going to be right back out as soon as DeWine stops arbitrarily deeming some people not worthy of earning a livelihood.

No one on earth is waiting 3 hours to eat.

 

[ManitouDan]

Thought he said employee mandatory...general public not working is highly suggested to wear one. He made that distinction yesterday, although I don’t know about the exec order.

FUUUUUUDGE . better not be . I own my own business . Me wearing a mask when I dont have person to person contact with any person would be far far FAR beyond dumb and IMO overstepping his legal bounds. As stated before .. if it were so %$^$%^(&*ING important why are doing it NOW ? not 30 days ago . Because its NOT !!!! good grief I despise out state / national govt.

 

[ManitouDan]

From the Kentucky.gov site....he says "should" and "essential business" and if you can't maintain the sd rules.

Masks
The Governor said that by May 11, everybody working for an essential business that is reopening should be wearing a mask. Going to the grocery, into any place of business or any place where social distancing of keeping at least six-feet apart might be broken, the Governor said every Kentuckian should be wearing a mask.

Yes that what I saw on the website . One employee said she saw him say that mask were mandatory but i think that was the day before most of Ky said " ah no we are not " and the AG stepped in.

 

[Bill Cosby]

No one on earth is waiting 3 hours to eat.

In you little weird *** bubble detached from reality, probably not.

On a spring/summer night in a city with a thriving restaurant scene where you can put your name in and meander around to other bars and restaurants while waiting, yes I can assure you that’s the case.

 

[bigsmoothie]

In you little weird *** bubble detached from reality, probably not.

On a spring/summer night in a city with a thriving restaurant scene where you can put your name in and meander around to other bars and restaurants while waiting, yes I can assure you that’s the case.

That’s called a reservation. Good lord

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

No one on earth is waiting 3 hours to eat.

Wrong. We aren't talking about your Applebee's spots here. Have you not ever eaten at a restaurant that requires reservations or in the busiest part of town?

https://www.citybeat.com/food-drink...ounders-grandparents-with-a-pastacentric-menu

 

[Bill Cosby]

That’s called a reservation. Good lord

Again, get out of your weird *** bubble. Some restaurants don’t take reservations. Others may book up weeks in advance.

Pretty clear why some of you guys couldn’t care less about restaurants opening back up. We aren’t talking about you going to unlimited appetizers at Applebee’s on a fancy Friday night. Independent restaurants were thriving until being deemed unworthy of existing and are at risk of not coming back.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Bill - I see demand dropping off at least 20% until the vaccine comes out, regardless of whether we open up. Bars maybe not as bad since young adults should be safe. But this isn’t “just because of the shutdown”; there are legitimate concerns from basically everybody over 40 years old catching a deadly disease.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Again, get out of your weird *** bubble. Some restaurants don’t take reservations. Others may book up weeks in advance.

Pretty clear why some of you guys couldn’t care less about restaurants opening back up. We aren’t talking about you going to unlimited appetizers at Applebee’s on a fancy Friday night. Independent restaurants were thriving until being deemed unworthy of existing and are at risk of not coming back.

So it’s such a nice place that there is a 3-4 wait but they don’t take reservations. Ok.

 

[anthonys735]

Have we seen evidence from any of the tracers that a restaurant caused a substantial outbreak? Not rhetorical, I honestly don't know the answer.

I'm actually ok with delaying the bars and restricting safe distancing for restaurants. The stuff that drives me nuts has been the industry that had no business being shut in the first place and certainly not for 6 weeks -> chiros, horse tracks, most elective medicine, therapists, hotels, beaches, parks, professional services, retail and on and on.


I'll be going to get a cold draft beer asap.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Bill - I see demand dropping off at least 20% until the vaccine comes out, regardless of whether we open up. Bars maybe not as bad since young adults should be safe. But this isn’t “just because of the shutdown”; there are legitimate concerns from basically everybody over 40 years old catching a deadly disease.

Over 40? The average age of death in both Sweden and Italy appears to over 80. Other than younger people with severe pre-existing conditions, the IFR rate (which is probably around a quarter of one percent, for all cases) is statistically insignificant until age 60 and only starts to get really scary for those over 70.

 

[Bill Cosby]

So it’s such a nice place that there is a 3-4 wait but they don’t take reservations. Ok.

Yes. Sounds like you’re catching up.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Over 40? The average age of death in both Sweden and Italy appears to over 80. Other than younger people with severe pre-existing conditions, the IFR rate (which is probably around a quarter of one percent, for all cases) is statistically insignificant until age 60 and only starts to get really scary for those over 70.

Over 40 the death rate starts to go from basically 0 to up to 20%. Yeah, if you’re healthy and in your 40’s you should be fine, but there’s still like a 5% chance you end up in the hospital.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Bill - I see demand dropping off at least 20% until the vaccine comes out, regardless of whether we open up. Bars maybe not as bad since young adults should be safe. But this isn’t “just because of the shutdown”; there are legitimate concerns from basically everybody over 40 years old catching a deadly disease.

Obviously we can’t really know for sure, but I would bet that number is way off for the people who would be patronizing a lot of the smaller restaurants. There’s virtually no risk to people under 60 without other health conditions.

 

[bigsmoothie]

Yes. Sounds like you’re catching up.

No one, I repeat no one, goes to a place, they tell them it will be 3-4 hours for a table, and they say cool we will wait.

 

[ZakkW]

What's the latest on when the gyms are going to re-open - I don't watch Super Terrific Happy Hour with Andy or read the damn website

 

[anthonys735]

What's the latest on when the gyms are going to re-open - I don't watch Super Terrific Happy Hour with Andy or read the damn website

June

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I bet I lost 45 lbs on my bench press. I better get a stimulus check for that.

 

[ManitouDan]

What's the latest on when the gyms are going to re-open - I don't watch Super Terrific Happy Hour with Andy or read the damn website

" Super Terrific Happy Hour " [roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll][roll]

 

[Bill Cosby]

No one, I repeat no one, goes to a place, they tell them it will be 3-4 hours for a table, and they say cool we will wait.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not sure what else can be said. Some people are willing to spend a night out and have a few drinks at different spots while waiting for a table at a great restaurant.

I guess I’m getting a better understanding of why restaurants are getting the shaft in all this if daddy Andy and his supporters think the restaurant industry is two for one apps at chili’s.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Over 40 the death rate starts to go from basically 0 to up to 20%. Yeah, if you’re healthy and in your 40’s you should be fine, but there’s still like a 5% chance you end up in the hospital.

I am not sure if I understand what you mean by 20%. If you mean a 20% increased likelihood of death compared to the next lower age bracket, that would make sense, and it also makes sense that there is about a 5% chance of hospitalization but there is no way in the world that this virus is 20% fatal for people who catch it over the age of 40. The overall CFR rate is apparently around 3% worldwide for all confirmed cases, but the majority of cases are either asymptomatic or symptomatic but so mild that no confirmation of the virus is ever done. Where there has been mass testing, or antibody testing (which can detect where infections without symptoms have occurred), the IFR (the infected fatality rate) is apparently around 2 or 3 in a thousand in most places and almost 7 or 8 in a thousand in New York City. I have no idea why New York's numbers are so high except for (1) there may be a deadlier strain there than elsewhere, (2) the subways may provide opportunity for people to get a higher attack dose of it and (3) the idiotic decision to allow positive patients to go back to nursing homes and thus proportionately the most vulnerable people just got hammered by this.

If there is a 5% chance of hospitalization, by the way, and that does sound reasonable, the roughly 10% chance of death if that occurs, is fairly consistent with the likely IFR, if a bit high. 5% chance of the hospital, and 10% chance of death IF it's the hospital, and that's .5% overall.

 

[WildcatofNati]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not sure what else can be said. Some people are willing to spend a night out and have a few drinks at different spots while waiting for a table at a great restaurant.

I guess I’m getting a better understanding of why restaurants are getting the shaft in all this if daddy Andy and his supporters think the restaurant industry is two for one apps at chili’s.

My guess is that Ed has never been to OTR on a busy weekend evening.

 

[anthonys735]

Meanwhile...

 

[bigsmoothie]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not sure what else can be said. Some people are willing to spend a night out and have a few drinks at different spots while waiting for a table at a great restaurant.

I guess I’m getting a better understanding of why restaurants are getting the shaft in all this if daddy Andy and his supporters think the restaurant industry is two for one apps at chili’s.

Never been to chili’s but thanks for the tip. Could I borrow your preferred customer card?

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

I am not sure if I understand what you mean by 20%.

I mean if you are 85 and you catch this thing you have about a 20% of dying apparently. It's basically nil until you hit 40. At 40 it goes from basically 0 up to 20% in your 80's. So 40 is kind of the time when things start to get bad.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Anybody be for a full opening for 50 and younger? Special shopping times/dining times for 50+? In between the crossover of special times would be a sanitation period.

Cross age interactions would have to be limited and strictly followed - but this would be reasonable with the data and jumpstart the US much faster.

Honestly, the best thing for at risk and older age groups is for the 40 and unders to go all in and mix it up.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Anybody be for a full opening for 50 and younger? Special shopping times/dining times for 50+? In between the crossover of special times would be a sanitation period.

Cross age interactions would have to be limited and strictly followed - but this would be reasonable with the data and jumpstart the US much faster.

Honestly, the best thing for at risk and older age groups is for the 40 and unders to go all in and mix it up.

That's not fair to older Americans who are presumably aware of the heightened risk and who in many cases are just as eager to go to restaurants, church, etc, as anyone else. I don't even think that would be legal, although the lack of legality isn't stopping a whole host of other things right now.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

That's not fair to older Americans who are presumably aware of the heightened risk and who in many cases are just as eager to go to restaurants, church, etc, as anyone else. I don't even think that would be legal, although the lack of legality isn't stopping a whole host of other things right now.

Exactly my point. Nobody is allowed in restaurants, stores etc right now. If that can be the case, surely a full opening with age weighted guidelines and exclusive times could be a thing.

A 25% capacity restaurant may not make it. A 75% or so with special times may.

When everything has been stripped for everyone, I can compromise a full opening with specified times age weighted.

The working group of 18-50 is likely a lot larger than that of the 50-65 group. The vulnerability of one group should not shut down the whole and at this point I think it’s fair to try to open up in any way imaginable.