Spot on. I agree that he is not coming, but it is an interesting conversation. I wonder what kind of roster he would be able to maintain in this day and age of players who, if talented, make generational wealth (for them) in college.
Didn’t know most staffs had switched to having milk and cookies waiting for players in the locker room after every game to protect their feelings.
I get not wanting Meyer and I don’t think he’s coming, but this idea he’s too mean for today’s players to be successful is nuts.
Franklin loved his players and they sure showed up for him when it mattered.
I get not wanting Meyer and I don’t think he’s coming, but this idea he’s too mean for today’s players to be successful is nuts.
Franklin loved his players and they sure showed up for him when it mattered.
No, that was a real incident with Meyer a few years back when he was coaching the Jaguars and back for a visit in Ohio. Part of what got him canned from Jacksonville
I don’t feel we need a “Penn State guy” in fact I don’t believe there IS a qualified and eligible Penn State guy out there right now who could get us to win it all.
MAYBE D’anton Lynn would be worth a roll of the dice… not endorsing him, just saying maybe. I do agree with the notion that Rhule would possibly get to the same plateau that Franklin had been stuck on and likely no higher.
What I don’t want is someone who would be the complete antithesis of the Penn State way, meaning douchebags like Meyer and Kiffen.
Our new coach doesn’t have to be a “perfect person” by any means… who is? But I believe it’s possible to find someone about whom we could say “all in all, they’re a good man” AND they would also have the passion, drive, and coaching acumen to get us to a natty or two. Both of those things can be true.
I don’t believe in taking a shortcut to a “possible” (still by no means guaranteed) road to winning by throwing out all criteria for the traits of our candidate coach as a human being. That would be chowing down on the “unseasoned dish” JoePa told us all about.
Is my approach more challenging? Absolutely, but I believe it’s worth it.
MAYBE D’anton Lynn would be worth a roll of the dice… not endorsing him, just saying maybe. I do agree with the notion that Rhule would possibly get to the same plateau that Franklin had been stuck on and likely no higher.
What I don’t want is someone who would be the complete antithesis of the Penn State way, meaning douchebags like Meyer and Kiffen.
Our new coach doesn’t have to be a “perfect person” by any means… who is? But I believe it’s possible to find someone about whom we could say “all in all, they’re a good man” AND they would also have the passion, drive, and coaching acumen to get us to a natty or two. Both of those things can be true.
I don’t believe in taking a shortcut to a “possible” (still by no means guaranteed) road to winning by throwing out all criteria for the traits of our candidate coach as a human being. That would be chowing down on the “unseasoned dish” JoePa told us all about.
Is my approach more challenging? Absolutely, but I believe it’s worth it.
not to make it political but since this board leans conservative (Not targeting you CV, or anyone in particular) i find it interesting that presumably some here voted for Trump and are having issues with Urban’s character. hold the football program to a higher standard than the presidency is a choice.
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There’s more at stake in our football program.
I think he deserves a look. He is a dynamic up and coming coach and he knows the culture here
I think DL knows what our culture used to be. NIL is quickly eroding any school culture, regardless of the school. Program/school culture is dead. Basically, each kitchen/family room recruiting discussion goes like this...
"Hello mom of 4/5 star recruit, here at State U we care about the education of our players, getting that degree matters"
"That's great, how big is the bag?"
"Additionally, we want to help develop these boys into fine upstanding young men"
"That's great, how big is the bag?"
"We will work hard to teach the values that will matter in a life worth living"
"I DON"T GIVE A SHIIT, HOW BIG IS THE BAG?"
I agree, but if we had a miraculous turnaround and somehow beat Ohio State and played hard the rest of the year, I would support Terry Smith. Again, more than likely this is all fantasy land stuff, but he would deserve it in such an improbable scenario.
I definitely don’t want to make things political as we’re not supposed to do that on this board, and I respect that policy and feel it is very wise.
Without any commentary or taking any particular position, I’ll just say I’m a registered independent, and not once did I vote for the candidate you mentioned.
I absolutely support Terry Smith, he seems like a great guy and I deeply appreciate what he’s doing for Penn State while having been handed a very unenviable set of circumstances.
I would support him for the HC job if he were to achieve that… I wish very much that I could feel there is even a minor possibility of things playing out that way,
I hate both us and the U.S.
The Standard at PSU should be beat OSU ever game at home and take 1 at the Shoe in a 10 year span, same with UM. Not bow down to OSU or UM in anyway shape or form.
Not even Joe was able to do that. I think winning 3 out of 10 overall would be a success initially. Then you can stretch the goal out to 50/50 once things are really running. Problem is that with the new schedule we aren't playing them each year
I think you have it backwards, I don’t think the board is the same political spot you mentioned. I also think there’s too many people here who in their hearts truly want Joe’s grand experiment to continue on even though we all know that that’s never going to happen at any team in college football anymore. It’s just the way the sport has evolved
McCarthy is giving you a choice of concentration camps.
Don't pick Florida, it's hurricane season.
I wonder what LSU fans would think about Urban?. Probably more than this board. Winning matters to the rest of the world
I like Franklin a lot as a person, but there are several things in his tenure that I hated on a personal level...his comments to Sickles around his suspension in 2016, his handling around the Sexual Assault questions in the press conference last year (and forcing Greg to keep going up with their stupid statement), his multiple instances of getting into it with students after losses (I was 10 feet away from him in the Ohio St 2018 incident and thankfully Jemal Griffin was there to pull him away before he made a total *** of himself), etc.
More good than bad, but not Mother Teresa (and the same with Joe).
I keep hearing that a trained monkey can win 70% of their games with our schedule. I can certainly see why some don't see Rhule as the most exciting choice, but this thinking that he can't win at PSU with more resources than he's ever had while he can win at his other stops is pretty ridiculous.
The difference with Joe was, he snapped on those who were being Jackasses. Recall Pitt "You're a disgrace to the game".
Joe could be a pretty big ahole after losses (and hell, even after wins sometimes too). But as with Franklin, I liked him 99% of the time.
Weird...some voted for Clinton which more comparable
"Not to make it political", but you did, and the thread is already off the rails.
Did you honestly not see that coming?
No one else to blame but @fastlax16.This board is getting as cray-cray as Rivals.. Almost Test Board level.
He knew exactly what he was doing when he posted his allowed, highly partisan opinions.
To me, Rhule has gotten fat and financially happy. He doesn’t seem as “hungry” as he was at Temple.
He's not playing against AAC opponents either. It's not like he won big games there either.
Just like Baylor...he's great when there aren't expectations but that's not Nebraska when handed a top tier QB he can't develop because the kid's dad forced him to go there.
Can you imagine if Franklin had put himself in that position with a woman not his wife?
what was partisan about it? I’m a registered independent who has voted red and blue.
The partisans are the ones who use phrases such as libtard and magat. You’ve identified your camp. Enjoy your evening.
Says the walking, talking bag of bullshyft who purposely polluted this thread because he tried to be politically cute.
Completely understand where you’re coming from. Urban is by no means beyond criticism And NIL/portal is something he didn’t have to deal with. But he is the one who brought that talent to OSU.
I hear what you’re saying about a lot of guys didn’t have an Urban resume before their current stop. I truly believe that the next coach has to either be a proven commodity (Urban) or an up and coming coach with promise (Smart before UGA). I don’t think the middle ground, an existing head coach with a solid but not great resume (Rhule) is going to suffice. It would be a hard sell to the fan base. I do think somebody like Urban comes with far fewer questions than an up and comer. For every Dan Lanning and Kirby Smart there is a Scott Frost and a Mel Tucker.