Jemele Hill suspended by ESPN

[theGspot_rivals384545]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion, but there's always a chance that expressing your opinion could come with consequences. My opinion of my boss is that she's an idiot, but I won't express that to her for fear of being fired. That would be my potential consequence. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded room without there being consequences, and I can't tell my boss they are an idiot without their being consequences. This is about as friendly and as basic as I can explain it.

Yelling fire in a movie theatre is a crime. That's why there would be legal consequences. Having an opinion is not.

It depends on the state you live in. Some places would make it almost impossible for them to fire you on those grounds alone, or else they could face consequences. I never said ESPN didn't have a right to act as they saw fit, I just find it ignorantly amusing the people on here who refer to her as a bad person strictly because she had a different view point or opinion. Did I agree with her calling Boston fans Nazi's? Nope, but it is her right to do so. Do you not find it ironic that posters here feel they have a right to their opinion, but she doesn't. Just doesn't seem very logical, but that's about as friendly and basic as I can explain it.

 

[BoxterS]

Yelling fire in a movie theatre is a crime. That's why there would be legal consequences. Having an opinion is not.

It depends on the state you live in. Some places would make it almost impossible for them to fire you on those grounds alone, or else they could face consequences. I never said ESPN didn't have a right to act as they saw fit, I just find it ignorantly amusing the people on here who refer to her as a bad person strictly because she had a different view point or opinion. Did I agree with her calling Boston fans Nazi's? Nope, but it is her right to do so. Do you not find it ironic that posters here feel they have a right to their opinion, but she doesn't. Just doesn't seem very logical, but that's about as friendly and basic as I can explain it.

I haven't seen one person on here say that having an opinion is a crime, or that people aren't allowed to have opinions. I'm not sure you know what you are arguing.

My point is that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion, but must be ready to face "potential" consequences for expressing that opinion. Jamele is 100% allowed to have an opinion, and she is 100% allowed to express it, but because she did she has suffered consequences.

Also, I said you can't yell fire in a "crowded room". Never mentioned a theatre.

 

[pharm727]

If Al is calling for a boycott, then I’m buying it. Why am I not surprised he is supporting her. They are both racist. She should be fired!

 

[TankedCat]

Yelling fire in a movie theatre is a crime. That's why there would be legal consequences. Having an opinion is not.

It depends on the state you live in. Some places would make it almost impossible for them to fire you on those grounds alone, or else they could face consequences. I never said ESPN didn't have a right to act as they saw fit, I just find it ignorantly amusing the people on here who refer to her as a bad person strictly because she had a different view point or opinion. Did I agree with her calling Boston fans Nazi's? Nope, but it is her right to do so. Do you not find it ironic that posters here feel they have a right to their opinion, but she doesn't. Just doesn't seem very logical, but that's about as friendly and basic as I can explain it.

I'd love to find a state where you can have an opinion your boss is a worthless son of a b****, say that on social media and then be protected from getting fired. Who knows, maybe California is progressive enough they have laws like that.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I haven't seen one person on here say that having an opinion is a crime, or that people aren't allowed to have opinions. I'm not sure you know what you are arguing.

My point is that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion, but must be ready to face "potential" consequences for expressing that opinion. Jamele is 100% allowed to have an opinion, and she is 100% allowed to express it, but because she did she has suffered consequences.

Also, I said you can't yell fire in a "crowded room". Never mentioned a theatre.

You haven't read many post then or not comprehended them then.Several people have stated she shouldn't voice her opinions. Why have them of you can't voice them? Why have free speech if you can't use it?

Where did I say anyone said having an opinion is a crime? I was referencing people calling her a bad person, strictly because of her opinions and people hoping bad things will happen because of that opinion.

I've never said ESPN didn't have a right to address it as they saw fit, which they did. However, to say someone is a bad person, or shouldn't be able to have one without consequences is just ignorant.

You do realize yelling fire anywhere when there isn't actually a fire that could cause panic, distress or harm is illegal. Regardless of crowded room, movie theatre, Restaraunt, your home or anyplace else that people are at risk of panic or injury. You should really consider reading a law book or two. It might help you understand it some.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I'd love to find a state where you can have an opinion your boss is a worthless son of a b****, say that on social media and then be protected from getting fired. Who knows, maybe California is progressive enough they have laws like that.

***** is profanity, which isn't protected by the first amendment. Moron, stupid, ignorant, jerk, dumb and etc.. are not profanity and thus are protected. By a lot of reports, Rex Tillerson called his boss a moron, potentially a "F'ing Moron" and is still employed.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I fully support Jamelle Hill personally and I have the utmost respect for her courage to be outspoken on her platform!! I also agree that ESPN as a private company has the right to discipline or fire her if they deem her actions to be contradictory to their company mission. So I honestly feel both parties in this case. If I owned a company I wouldn't continue to pay someone and provide a platform to someone whose very speech is hurting my company. But it's because Jamelle knowingly risked it all to speak out, I applaud her!!! I don't know how this national convo became about the flag and anthem. It was never and isn't about the anthem or flag!!! It's a peaceful protest advocating for better treatment of a group of people that reside in the best country in the world. It's never been about the flag or anthem. However if one wishes to have that discussion, it can be had. The Star Spangled Banner is a poem that's become the national anthem but the second and third verses speak of slavery. For the group of people who were enslaved this song may not be worth celebrating. But to me that's another entire different discussion. We SHOULD be diacussing the disproportionate ethnic make-up of our prison population and police brutality on the streets of this great country.

First, good grief. Second, she didn't do anything out of courage, she spoke out of unmitigated arrogance.

 

[utbb01]

I didn't swing an extremist brush. I was just stating facts about a protest in Charlottesville. And I didn't call the protest in Charlottesville extremists. Those are your words. To my knowledge there's members of the government in the Charlottesville protest. I wish everyone could hear San Francisco 49er safety Eric Reid's response in the matter. I think he did a great job of articulating the issue at hand.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You haven't read many post then or not comprehended them then.Several people have stated she shouldn't voice her opinions. Why have them of you can't voice them? Why have free speech if you can't use it?

Where did I say anyone said having an opinion is a crime? I was referencing people calling her a bad person, strictly because of her opinions and people hoping bad things will happen because of that opinion.

I've never said ESPN didn't have a right to address it as they saw fit, which they did. However, to say someone is a bad person, or shouldn't be able to have one without consequences is just ignorant.

You do realize yelling fire anywhere when there isn't actually a fire that could cause panic, distress or harm is illegal. Regardless of crowded room, movie theatre, Restaraunt, your home or anyplace else that people are at risk of panic or injury. You should really consider reading a law book or two. It might help you understand it some.

Civics 101, free speech is between the government and a citizen. An employee has very limited speech rights at work.

 

[utbb01]

Oh and to the earlier poster did you see Zion's measurements at the USA camp? 6'6 272 pounds. Man that kid can move!!!

 

[TankedCat]

***** is profanity, which isn't protected by the first amendment. Moron, stupid, ignorant, jerk, dumb and etc.. are not profanity and thus are protected. By a lot of reports, Rex Tillerson called his boss a moron, potentially a "F'ing Moron" and is still employed.

The Constitution protects free speech from government interference. In the private sector, however, courts have made management discretion the rule. Employees who don’t work for the government and aren’t in a union can be fired or punished for almost anything they say, wherever they say it. Business groups say companies need the authority to put the best person in the job and to shuffle as they deem necessary.

There seems to be some vagueness in regards to the concept of concerted activity. Is Jamelle Hill acting alone? Seems to be the case.

 

[utbb01]

And BigBlue for an African-American woman to work her way up through the ranks and reach the heights she's reached, it takes courage to take an unpopular stand. Now I'm not acting as if she stormed the beaches of Normandy but she had to know she was on thin ice.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

***** is profanity, which isn't protected by the first amendment. Moron, stupid, ignorant, jerk, dumb and etc.. are not profanity and thus are protected. By a lot of reports, Rex Tillerson called his boss a moron, potentially a "F'ing Moron" and is still employed.

You are utterly clueless.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/profanity-the-first-amendment/

 

[KyCatFan_rivals45723]

***** is profanity, which isn't protected by the first amendment. Moron, stupid, ignorant, jerk, dumb and etc.. are not profanity and thus are protected. By a lot of reports, Rex Tillerson called his boss a moron, potentially a "F'ing Moron" and is still employed.

One of the posters on the Paddock here lost his job because of something he posted on these message boards. It just shows freedom of speech has it's limits and there can be repercussions to what you say. I don't think he said anything about his boss, coworkers, or the company he worked for either.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

Civics 101, free speech is between the government and a citizen. An employee has very limited speech rights at work.

That's actually not true at all, but you're free to believe as you want. After all, that's your right.

 

[topps coach]

So she used her celebrity status, built from her sports "news" job, to encourage sports fans to not attend the sporting events which she is supposed to talk about. Yes, that sounds like reason for suspension.

If she had said boycott some movie, or Walmart, or ...., then that would be ok. But she can't be telling people to boycott the product she is trying to "sell".

Small business owner here.Any of my employees that did anything that cost me money would be fired not suspended

 

[TankedCat]

That's actually not true at all, but you're free to believe as you want. After all, that's your right.

please, by all means, educate me. Cite sources

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

That's actually not true at all, but you're free to believe as you want. After all, that's your right.

How dumb can you possibly be. Just read the first line, genius. http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-workplace-free-speech/index.html

 

[ScrewDuke1]

White people mad again online.

This sounds pretty racist.

 

[warrior-cat]

***** is profanity, which isn't protected by the first amendment. Moron, stupid, ignorant, jerk, dumb and etc.. are not profanity and thus are protected. By a lot of reports, Rex Tillerson called his boss a moron, potentially a "F'ing Moron" and is still employed.

Are you really this dumb *****? Wow!

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

You are utterly clueless.

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/profanity-the-first-amendment/

The Supreme Court distinguished the two by explaining that Cohen’s action was a “simple public display” as opposed to a direct insult or intent to incite harm, as was the case in Chaplinsky. (Also see Fighting words section.) Guess you missed this part? Do you understand that calling your boss a ***** would be a direct insult?

 

[Cat06]

You haven't read many post then or not comprehended them then.Several people have stated she shouldn't voice her opinions. Why have them of you can't voice them? Why have free speech if you can't use it?

Where did I say anyone said having an opinion is a crime? I was referencing people calling her a bad person, strictly because of her opinions and people hoping bad things will happen because of that opinion.

I've never said ESPN didn't have a right to address it as they saw fit, which they did. However, to say someone is a bad person, or shouldn't be able to have one without consequences is just ignorant.

You do realize yelling fire anywhere when there isn't actually a fire that could cause panic, distress or harm is illegal. Regardless of crowded room, movie theatre, Restaraunt, your home or anyplace else that people are at risk of panic or injury. You should really consider reading a law book or two. It might help you understand it some.

I never said she can't voice her opinion. I said there are consequences to your free speech.

Free speech in this country protects you from the government arresting you, trying you and executing you.

Free speech does not grant you immunity from consequences. Open your eyes and look at what she was suspended for. She did not like Jerry Jones using his free speech, so she tried to rally the boycott troops to boycott the very source of her employers income.

Apparently the free speech concept only applies to her, and not Jerry Jones. Explain that one please?

Not without Consequences.

 

[MarvinHagler89]

That's actually not true at all, but you're free to believe as you want. After all, that's your right.

You are getting owned

 

[ScrewDuke1]

The subtle racism in this thread amazes me.

Your racism isn't subtle at all.

 

[TortElvisII]

And BigBlue for an African-American woman to work her way up through the ranks and reach the heights she's reached, it takes courage to take an unpopular stand. Now I'm not acting as if she stormed the beaches of Normandy but she had to know she was on thin ice.

Being a liberal is tough in sports media. Only 98 percent of your cohorts agree with you.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

You are getting owned

By whom?

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

How dumb can you possibly be. Just read the first line, genius. http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/08/technology/google-workplace-free-speech/index.html

And if you would read more than just the first you might have also found "You can say whatever you want in a private workplace, Schwartz said, but you should "assume your employer might have something to say about it." And also, "But some forms of employee speech are protected by the nation's labor laws."

 

[TortElvisII]

And if you would read more than just the first you might have also found "You can say whatever you want in a private workplace, Schwartz said, but you should "assume your employer might have something to say about it." And also, "But some forms of employee speech are protected by the nation's labor laws."

I doubt boycotting advertisers is.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The Supreme Court distinguished the two by explaining that Cohen’s action was a “simple public display” as opposed to a direct insult or intent to incite harm, as was the case in Chaplinsky. (Also see Fighting words section.) Guess you missed this part? Do you understand that calling your boss a ***** would be a direct insult?

I didn't miss that part, you didn't limit your ignorant statement. Yes, in rare cases profanity is not protected. In the vast vast majority of uses, it is. It's only something like 99.99% to .01%. Again, just how dumb are you?

 

[TankedCat]

And if you would read more than just the first you might have also found "You can say whatever you want in a private workplace, Schwartz said, but you should "assume your employer might have something to say about it."

as in they will fire you

But some forms of employee speech are protected by the nation's labor laws."

none of which has anything to do with Jemelle Hills plea to boycott advertisers. It relates to preventing employees to discuss issues like wages and workplace policies - primarily rooted in preventing free speech to discuss labor practices of the workplace. Most likely a leftover era of the fight against unionization.

YMMV but if I were you, I'd quit while I was behind.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I never said she can't voice her opinion. I said there are consequences to your free speech.

Free speech in this country protects you from the government arresting you, trying you and executing you.

Free speech does not grant you immunity from consequences. Open your eyes and look at what she was suspended for. She did not like Jerry Jones using his free speech, so she tried to rally the boycott troops to boycott the very source of her employers income.

Apparently the free speech concept only applies to her, and not Jerry Jones. Explain that one please?

Not without Consequences.

How does free speech not apply to Jerry Jones? I have said everyone has a right to free speech, but using your free speech to criticize someone else's right to use free speech just seems dumb. Much like saying someone is only a bad person because they have an opinion you disagree with.

I support ESPN doing whatever they see fit, it's their right.

I've never said I agreed with anything she said, I just said she has a right to say them and that doesn't make her a bad person.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I didn't miss that part, you didn't limit your ignorant statement. Yes, in rare cases profanity is not protected. In the vast vast majority of uses, it is. It's only something like 99.99% to .01%. Again, just how dumb are you?

So would calling your boss a ***** or any other profanity be protected or not?

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

as in they will fire you



none of which has anything to do with Jemelle Hills plea to boycott advertisers. It relates to preventing employees to discuss issues like wages and workplace policies - primarily rooted in preventing free speech to discuss labor practices of the workplace. Most likely a leftover era of the fight against unionization.

YMMV but if I were you, I'd quit while I was behind.

They have a right to, just as she has a right to voice an opinion. Have I ever stated they could not fire her?

I never said it had anything to do with Jermel, I was just pointing out that free speech is allowed in the workplace, which you just confirmed was accurate. Thanks!

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I doubt boycotting advertisers is.

If she isn't slandering or defaming the business it is. If she simply states I don't support this company because of their actions, beliefs or what not she is entirely within her rights. Slandering or defaming would cause it to be illegal.

 

[Cat06]

[QUOTE="theGspot]
"She should have just talked about her experiences grabbing people's genitalia just because she's kind of famous. She probably could have been elected president by now."

I will remind you that THIS is how you entered the conversation.

Nothing to do with The entire topic. Now you are going back and forth and can't stand still with your positions.

Have a great evening. I will employ the ignore feature so I don't have to read your drivel any longer.

 

[TankedCat]

I was just pointing out that free speech is allowed in the workplace, which you just confirmed was accurate. Thanks!

no, thank you, I derive a certain pleasure from face saving attempts on the internet.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

I didn't miss that part, you didn't limit your ignorant statement. Yes, in rare cases profanity is not protected. In the vast vast majority of uses, it is. It's only something like 99.99% to .01%. Again, just how dumb are you?

I love that you retort to childish levels of name calling anytime you get into an argument. It just demonstrates your overall lack of intelligence. Weren't you the anti-Diallo guy that was having a meltdown back in the spring?

 

[TortElvisII]

If she isn't slandering or defaming the business it is. If she simply states I don't support this company because of their actions, beliefs or what not she is entirely within her rights. Slandering or defaming would cause it to be illegal.

I doubt advertisers want to be openly boycotted on air.

Call it a hunch.

 

[theGspot_rivals384545]

no, thank you, I derive a certain pleasure from face saving attempts on the internet.

What was face saving? I noticed you didn't point to any evidence to support your claim? Care to?

 

[MudererofCrows]

Your racism isn't subtle at all.

Ahh yes the rallying cry of the Alt-Right.

“No, you’re racist!”