Jerry on the game
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Good response after the sloppy game against Wagner.
Hate how Sha refers to the "second group". Tells me that is gonna be a thing. Hope when the game is on the line he is not so trigger happy to pull Clark out of the game.
Yes, hoped for the best for Felton, that looked nasty.
We have lots of room for improvement and we won by more than 20. Dont like the basic offense, need improvement with utilizing post play. I thought Parker looked OK as b/u PG last night. I see lots to like in Williams.
Gotta stop the threes...maybe some day. I used to say when Myles Powell watched film he wished he played against our three pt D; this is not new. Maybe someday we do it better.
My prognosis, who knows. I remain hopeful we are better than expected.
We have lots of room for improvement and we won by more than 20. Dont like the basic offense, need improvement with utilizing post play. I thought Parker looked OK as b/u PG last night. I see lots to like in Williams.
Gotta stop the threes...maybe some day. I used to say when Myles Powell watched film he wished he played against our three pt D; this is not new. Maybe someday we do it better.
My prognosis, who knows. I remain hopeful we are better than expected.
Dont know if its just my imagination but it seems tome we have at least 5 guys who can drive to hoop and get off at least a decent shot. We had nothing like that last years except maybe Coleman
Against the teams we've played thus far, we had numerous players from last years team who could score by attacking the rim.
Besides Coleman, in your opinion who were they?
Last year’s team was also 1-2 at this point
Guys that could get buckets against these teams we've played so far besides Coleman? Wusu and Jenkins. Prince at times against that level of competition as a small ball 4. Dual/Scotty M had the ability to even if they didn't know how to use it yet. Even "Baby Mamu" was at his best against teams like we've played so far.
Yes we are better this year. The first post I said about yesterdays game was that at minimum it looks like the ability to score points won't be anywhere near the struggle it was last season game-in, game out. That's a good thing.
I am in no way defending last year’s team.
But they lost to Ken Pom (final rank)
238 - Fordham
218 - Hofstra
So far this year they have beaten
301 - St Peter’s
346 - Wagner
273 - Fairfield
with still to come…
362 - New Haven
229 - Monmouth
334 - Central Connecticut St.
At this point I reserve judgment on the team and their performance until after they take the floor in Maui.
This is a better defensive group than last year which almost automatically makes it a better offensive group. If they can continue to turn teams over, they should have opportunities to score easy baskets.
Um no. Definitely not. Apparently you forgot how Wusu would put his head down, barrel straight to the hoop without making a move and then heave up a prayer that never came close.
To me, Wagner looked head and shoulders better than Fairfield. Not sure if it was actually that or if it was on account of us playing so poorly against Wagner. But Wagner's passing and ability to attack our defense and run pick and roll seemed far superior to what we saw from Fairfield last night.
You have to look at plenty of others from years past.
And in the next few weeks, facts are facts, and they’ll be facing teams from the ACC, Big 10 and Big 12, plus two TBAs.
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Agree about Wusu. Against this type of competition he could get to the basket and score. I honestly forgot about Jenkins. Not sure I agree about the others but then again I’m not about to argue whether or not any player can score against terrible competition.
Perhaps. Jury out for me on that so far because of the competition. I love, emphasize love, pressing with this group. I was one of the ones on here last year imploring and begging Sha to press more, though I understand there were reasons he didn't that Sha is qualified to assess and I am not as a fan. Our 5s will be better defensively, I'm comfortable saying, because a corpse would be better defensively at that spot than what we rolled out last year. Everything else we will see.
Wusu played minutes for 5 years in the Big East. Including for one team that was squarely on the bubble and another that was not far off from the bubble. I'm well, well aware of his flaws and limitations. But Wusu last year would have been a very good player in the MAAC or NEC. Prior years too.
It's certainly up there. But coming off last season Holloway had no choice. But I hope to never see it again. Quality teams, of which we might or might not be, get little from games like this.
I think the irony in all off this is last year’s team loses to Fordham and Hofstra with Isaiah Coleman going a combined 4-16 in the two games.
We talked about this last year. If they would have pulled out those games would the end game conversation be any different if they were 9-23 overall? Absolutely not.
If this team wins it’s 6 cupcakes games and goes 3-2, or 2-3 against the higher level comp, there will be optimism heading into BE play.
But make no mistake about it, this team and Sha will be judged based on how they acquit themselves during conference play.
Do I think this team is better based on the eye test? YES
Do I think they can be more competitive in the BE? I am not so sure yet.
Him and Aligbe would be the 9th and 10th players on this roster. Getting minutes on last years horrendous team is not a good quality..
Prince, I agree he would be down in the rotation from what I’ve seen.
Wusu - not a chance. And that’s not to overly pump him up as a player. But he started on a Big East team that won 25 games and played minutes his entire career
I have no idea how good we will ultimately be this year, but with the exception of Coleman (discussed extensively elsewhere) and Godswill, there is not one other player from last year that would be in my top 10 this year. This team would beat last year's team by 20.
I agree…Wusu is being severely disrespected here. He is not going down as a Pirate great, but geez talk about being taken out of context.
Wusu is a defensive minded SF who played 5 season in the BE. Last year he was asked to play PG or primary ball handler way too often. Hence his performance struggled because that is NOT who he is.
When asked to play the proper role for the Pirates in 2023-24, he did admirably well.
His shooting splits were not to the standard we wanted, but as the 4th / 5th scoring option. Averaged 8 ppg / 5 rebounds/ 2 assists / 1.6 steals. Started 37 out of 37 games for a team that won 25 games. And was normally given one of the tougher defensive assignments night in and night out.
While at SJU in his sophomore/ junior years he shot 38% / 36% respectively from three. That’s who we thought we were getting in that regard. But make no mistake about it, he did put up those numbers for a BE team.
Over the first 4 seasons of his collegiate career he finished with over 1000 points scored. I challenge you to go look up how many Seton Hall players have accomplished that.
Last year left a real bad taste in everyone’s mouth, but Wusu was a competent BE player and at this point in time everyone on this roster has a ways to go to prove that themselves.
This.
Plus, he is the quintessential Sha player.
He was also hurt much of last year and for as poor as last year's team was, not having him in the lineup for a quarter of the season was a major issue. Certainly not having Dylan available wasn't the sole reason but we were 0-7 in games he didn't play. That includes the Monmouth disaster.
I'm very encouraged by what we've seen so far. We can only go off style of play and individual skillsets because the level of competition has been awful. Definitely a substantially more talented team than last year and many more options, at least.
That season with Willard where the floor bottomed out when we were trying to make Aaron Cosby a PG and were relying on Tommy Maayan, we played a similar schedule, one of the worst in the country. Got off to a sparkling record (with zero quality wins), even won the BE opener. The team was 11-2, 1-0. Then finished 3-15 in the BE.
We'll see!
That season with Willard where the floor bottomed out when we were trying to make Aaron Cosby a PG and were relying on Tommy Maayan, we played a similar schedule, one of the worst in the country. Got off to a sparkling record (with zero quality wins), even won the BE opener. The team was 11-2, 1-0. Then finished 3-15 in the BE.
We'll see!
Unless we are attracting top available transfers & have visions of making the tournament, it would be nuts to schedule a strong out of conference schedule at this point. Let the players (many of them from mid major programs) get acclimated to one another & Sha's system.
Crazy to me how many basketball and football players wear low-top shoes while playing. Not smart