Jerry on the game
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Have to find a way to get Hines more minutes or we definitely lose him next year. Gotta look at the big picture Coach.
Hines also has to get in better shape . He gets gassed after playing for a few minutes .
A few questions.
How is Hines still not in shape 4 months into the season?
If guys legs was tired why did the starters play so many minutes?
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How is Hines still not in shape 4 months into the season?
If guys legs was tired why did the starters play so many minutes?
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What's puzzling is they say he is cramping and not in as good of shape as he should be. Some of that could be true, but after sitting for 10-15 minutes of actual time, maybe more than that, you would think an 18yr old can recover? Payne, possibly injured remains on the court with all the stress of late game minutes? Hines can score and Payne struggles to. Rotate them in and out. You are allowed to do that.
Same with Parker. He gave us valuable minutes at Butler but barely played last night. Other than Clark, he’s the only guy on our roster who can create his own shot. No reason he can’t play with Budd for a few minutes to take some of the pressure off of him.
It's multiple things.
A big piece of it is conditioning. We know Hines missed the Spring and summer as a late signing. Sha said he was out of shape from Day 1 and has alluded to his injuries and/or conditioning almost every week. We know he missed games with a mystery injury (concussion?). Sha has mentioned a groin injury and muscle cramping. Cramping is an issue for many players nowadays - especially freshman. See Daryn Peterson for Kansas. Hines has also lost a lot of weight but sometimes that can zap a players strength and stamina depending how they are eating.
So the issues are real and they keep him from being more than a 20-minute player.
But we've also seen many times where Sha seems to forget Hines for the last 8-12 minutes of games even when Payne is struggling. I don't think this is all conditioning. I think it comes down to trust - Sha trusts the 24 year-old veteran Payne who had some great BE games more than the freshman kid.
I also think an underrated issue is that Payne is better at team execution than Hines. He's much more experienced running plays and setting screens. And defensively, he's better at hedging and defending the perimeter. Those things aren't obvious to most fans who know that Hines is a better scorer and shot blocker so believe he should be playing more.
And finally, I think Sha falls in love with matchups in his mind. In the scout, they'll decide Hines matches up best vs the other team's backup Center and only play Hines when the backup is in the game. That's fine early but you eventually have to adjust in the 2nd half and Sha hasn't done well getting Hines consiatent action late in games.
Hopefully, in the future they will build more structure into the offense and utilize the strengths of the players they do have. Dar is one of the few players that has improved as the season has advanced. He's doing a decent job in his limited minutes on the defensive end. You can tell he is reluctant to get too involved on offense. Maybe you run a play for him to get a quality jump shot? Parker as you say only gets shots off slashing and a midrange. Why not get him a stationary shot either from the wing or near free throw line? However, I'd say the biggest miss is not dumping the ball into Hines more than they do. Need better spacing when they do that. He has to keep his wits and make crisp passes out of there if the scoring opportunity is not available.
Conditioning is also the difference bt BE games and non-con. It doesn’t exist in a vaccum. The gap of physicality and working around better athletes is huge.
Then experience. NJ Benson is a 4-year player. Look at Tarris Reed, Duke Brennan, even the Georgetown guys, etc.
I hope there’s a good alignment between Holloway and Hines, the family, the agent. Keep working here, develop, be a star here. And pay him.
Then experience. NJ Benson is a 4-year player. Look at Tarris Reed, Duke Brennan, even the Georgetown guys, etc.
I hope there’s a good alignment between Holloway and Hines, the family, the agent. Keep working here, develop, be a star here. And pay him.
The bottom line is that moving forward The Program needs a two-way player at the 5. If not Hines next season, then someone else. The best SHU teams have had that. Too many to mention. You are limiting your program's offensive efficiency if you are targeting guys that can hedge on the defensive side, If that's the main concern. There are 5's that can hit a short J. or even a three in some cases. Putbacks and jams are nice, but it's not enough. Mix in some up and down free throw shooting and it's a problem. Start there. The PG problem was at minimum upgraded a few notches this season. So, they did a good job there.
lol we can’t afford guards that can shoot the 3.
Now we are going to be to target 2 way players at the 5 that could potentially make a 3 also?
Where is the tree that all this money is growing on?
All about scouting. ~365 teams. There have got to be shooters you can unearth somewhere. Need a coach scouting and building connections 24/7.
Lol, I did not say an All-Star. Serviceable. They do exist. I actually would actually like to see a 5 that can score 8-12 points and occasionally higher than that. A nice baseline jumper is nice to have in the arsenal. By the way when did Centers, 5's if you like stop developing their offensive skills?
We can afford guards that shoot the three. We don't recruit them. Dawes was good though.
See I think this a false narrative that has caught a lot of traction.
We haven’t been able to truly afford the best offensive players, Sha has gone after more productive mid major players with college experience this year that have excelled on the defensive end.
I don’t want to hear that he wasted his budget to try and go 10+ deep. Honestly, go back and look at the track record of Williams, Dar, Rivera, Sumenick, Felton, and Parker. What is a realistic number he spent on all 6 of those players combined. You might be able to get 1 starter for what we spent on them.
Everyone is saying he should have front loaded his roster management to go after guys that can score. For $6m he would have been able to potentially secure his starting rotation and then not a single player after that.
You can’t play with only 5 guys either.
I have not mentioned anything about roster construction as far as reserves. What I am saying is that you can't have goose eggs from starters or three starters that combine for 12 points on a night-to-night basis. You just can't. It's great if you are searching for mid majors that fit the defensive scheme, but that can only take you so far. If you don't have a quality PG (we do) and a 5 that can contribute more consistently (maybe we do) it's almost hopeless.
I don’t think it specifically has to be a “5” / center. I think you can have a Bediako / Gill type player that is stronger defensively but is a little more reliable on the offensive end than Payne has been. As long as that player is paired with a legitimately sized offensive threat at the PF spot.
I know the game has evolved to become a more perimeter oriented / 3 point analytics type game. However, in the college game there is still tons of value in having a player that can initiate offense within 5-8 feet from the basket. We saw that first hand this season when Ezra Ausar of USC went off for 25 points and 8 rebounds while getting to the charity stripe for 19 FT attempts.
I’m surprised nobody has brought up the “We need a GM” Nonsense yet
I bet you most every program could have had the Carroll kid that Xavier found in the portal. I don’t recall seeing him on many preseason top 100/200 portal lists.
He plays no defense whatever, but as others have said might be the best scorer in the BE.
Outside of the top handful of kids, everyone is going to have some flaws/warts. It’s a question of what the coach wants and can live with.
I don't recall him being viewed as this "big time" get by Xavier when he portaled. Maybe I'm wrong.
Weve learned 2 big things so far in the sha era.
1. U need money, period
2. The dawg mentality only lasts so long. It looked good in nov and dec, but our ability to turn teams over like crazy has dwindled. Now even if u do turn em over youve gotta score!
I've said it before & I'll say it again, No matter how good your defense is, if you cannot score, you WILL NOT WIN---we have proved this once again--
Yeah because unlike every successful coach around the nation, Sha is such a great communicator and negotiator and has so much spare time that he doesn't need a GM.
A GM is nothing but a fancy suit to take heat and questions away from a coach. I’m willing to say 80% or more of GM’s in pro sports are hired and fired with no truly tangible positive result that couldn’t have been accomplished without them in the first place.
The same will be true in college athletics
I'm sure he got 7-figures. He was Top 200 in Evan Miya, On3 & 247's top transfers. 6'8" versatile & efficient scorer with 3 years of AAC experience in a winning program that went 78-29 in his 3 years.. Formative years playing for Dusty May.
If you owned the Yankees would you have the Manager on the field also handle all of the GM duties?
What exactly do you think a GM does that’s so difficult? 90% of the job is done in the off season when the coach has nothing to do.
I have no clue on how to gage the $$, but he wasn't on anyone's preseason all Big East teams, and I don't think anyone predicted he would be the best scorer in the conference. If someone did, I missed it.
In fairness, Simpkins and ASM to a lesser extent can create their own shots. Fisher also creates shots but never seems to convert.
We are not the nyy, we are not a school that has fb. Frankly, a GM for us is very questionableimo. If money were no object, maybe, but it us. My thinking makes sense given this season. We are a few front ends away from bubble talk without one.
We have a limited budget. All comes back to decision making. Sha doesn’t want to concentrate it at the top that’s why retention will be tough for us ongoing.