Judge

[NIL BAD]

How many of his prime years have been wasted by a flawed team philosophy. Very similar to Eli with the Giants. I saw a quote by ARod this morning that really nailed it.

"Aaron's been very classy. We've all been very consistent with that. Honestly, from the entire organization, he's the one guy I would circle that has least to be to blame. I mean, he's got a lot of talent," Rodriguez said. "But for me personally, one of the worst constructions of a roster I've ever seen. You have three left-hand catchers, you have five DHs, you have a first baseman in and out. It is just a very, very difficult hand for [manager Aaron] Boone. And honestly, they were exposed against a much better Jays team."

 

[shu67]

Sorry but Alex got some of it very wrong as Boonie helped to put that team together and decides who starts!

 

[HallGuy2323]

Same old story. Cole getting hurt was a major bummer but it happens to most teams. Yankees have spent big on pitching but it just never seems to translate for them. The always continual glut of DH’s is a killer. Lack of speed, lack of high end defense.

When playoff time comes around you can’t count on hitting 4 home runs every game. Guys like Volpe, Chisholm and Dominguez not developing into contact / on base threats just ruined the roster construction. Basically forced the team to rely on either Judge, Stanton, Bellinger or Grisham to hit a home run.

 

[dehere23]

We lost in the ALDS. It stinks, but these are first world problems year-after-year for the Yanks. Thank God I have them in my life as a fan. If my other teams had 1/2 of the Yanks consistent, sustained success, I would be a happy sports fan year round.

Judge is an all timer. The playoff critique was somewhat BS before this postseason, but hopefully that goes away now because he was freaking awesome over these 7 games.

Every Yankee fan knows this was a flawed team. The injuries to the staff were a killer. Still, they gave us another year of winning postseason baseball. Made a late run to make the Division title interesting.

Are they as good as anyone in the AL? Yes IMO. But I would put 3 NL teams ahead, and so I’m not crushed by this outcome. I desperately, desperately wanted to beat the Red Sox and would have been upset if we didn’t. Once we did that, I was content with whatever happened after.

 

[NIL BAD]

Not sure how you could even compare the Yankees to the Jays this year. Jay's dominated them during the regular season & totally embarrassed them in the post season. Having your offense shut down in the ALDS in a bullpen game was absolutely pathetic.

Regarding Boone, he only had so many options. Blue Jays wound up throwing 8 relievers last night. Boone only had 3-4 guys in his pen he could actually trust & even that is a stretch.

 

[Piratz]

Yeah I can’t get too wrapped up and frustrated about playoff losses. They got to the World Series last year.

I don’t like how they assemble the team either. I find the style of play and interest lacking.

Nice to see Judge have a moment in Game 3 with that moonshot off the foul pole.

 

[Section112]

Same poor roster construction, same result. It took Stick Michael to revamp the Yankees and he wanted more guys that could put the ball in play and field their position. The Yankees won multiple WS with the players he put together. Cashman keeps relying on analytics and exit velocity and more but how about analyze the effect striking out has in the playoffs? All you have to do is look at the last 7 years of Yankee teams. Cashman is the problem and Boone is his puppet.

 

[IronKaz1]

Eli won superbowls soo

 

[HallLine69]

As a Met fan, my enjoyment of the post-season begins once the Yankees are eliminated. It was especially fun seeing them lose at home against 8 separate pitchers. I am not very proud that these things are such a source of enjoyment, but I just can't help my self.

And yes I freely acknowledge what a disaster and embarrassment the last three months were for the Mets.

 

[hbkmyr]

Eli won superbowls soo

Yea I don’t understand the Eli comparison. Those giant teams were built to win in the playoffs. The opposite of judge and the Yankees.

 

[dehere23]

Yea I don’t understand the Eli comparison. Those giant teams were built to win in the playoffs. The opposite of judge and the Yankees.

Love me some Eli, but Judge is on a different level as a player in their respective sports. Eli was a very good QB -- someone who any franchise would take for 10+ years to run their team -- who was able to elevate his game in the postseason and big spots to be as good as the upper echelon QBs, even though Eli was never really at that level.

Judge is a first ballot HOFer.

 

[dehere23]

As a Met fan, my enjoyment of the post-season begins once the Yankees are eliminated. It was especially fun seeing them lose at home against 8 separate pitchers. I am not very proud that these things are such a source of enjoyment, but I just can't help my self.

And yes I freely acknowledge what a disaster and embarrassment the last three months were for the Mets.

How you as a Mets fan are about the Yankees, is how I as a Yankee fan am about the Red Sox. If the Yanks are eliminated but the Sox are still playing, I'm very much still locked into every game as if my team is playing. Until they are out.

I've always found that dynamic so fascinating. The majority of Yankee fans I know care little about the Mets, but most all will forever loathe the Red Sox and be into rooting against anyone the Sox play in the postseason, etc. Whereas Met fans -- despite periods in which the Braves, Phillies, or Marlins tormented them in devastating sports fandom ways -- care more about the Yanks losing than those other teams.

 

[Seton75]

We dont need another baseball thread, but the Dodger Phillies game just reminded us how pitchers can dominate. And that makes great baseball. Koufax, Drysdale and Podres. Bob Gibson. Orel in 88. Petitte vs the Braves in 96. Not sure if we ever scored tonite but for them walking in a run and then the error in the 11th. And the Phillies needed an error to score theirs.

Last year, i thought the Dodgers toughest series was with the Padres. Never thought Mets or NYY were gonna beat us. Dont know who we are playing next but i hope we dont run into another team as good as the Phillies. That pitching, and their best pitcher is hurt. OMG

 

[lloyde dobler]

How you as a Mets fan are about the Yankees, is how I as a Yankee fan am about the Red Sox. If the Yanks are eliminated but the Sox are still playing, I'm very much still locked into every game as if my team is playing. Until they are out.

I've always found that dynamic so fascinating. The majority of Yankee fans I know care little about the Mets, but most all will forever loathe the Red Sox and be into rooting against anyone the Sox play in the postseason, etc. Whereas Met fans -- despite periods in which the Braves, Phillies, or Marlins tormented them in devastating sports fandom ways -- care more about the Yanks losing than those other teams.

Same way SHU fans root against Rutgers and vice versa

 

[TheHall87]

How you as a Mets fan are about the Yankees, is how I as a Yankee fan am about the Red Sox. If the Yanks are eliminated but the Sox are still playing, I'm very much still locked into every game as if my team is playing. Until they are out.

I've always found that dynamic so fascinating. The majority of Yankee fans I know care little about the Mets, but most all will forever loathe the Red Sox and be into rooting against anyone the Sox play in the postseason, etc. Whereas Met fans -- despite periods in which the Braves, Phillies, or Marlins tormented them in devastating sports fandom ways -- care more about the Yanks losing than those other teams.

As a Met fan I am the complete opposite. I've spent most of the past 10 days trying to avoid the Yankee games at all costs while watching whatever I could of all the other games.

I've tried to grow out of being avidly anti-Yankee and part of that is generally avoiding them unless I have no choice. Apathy is my friend. Lol.

 

[dehere23]

Same way SHU fans root against Rutgers and vice versa

True for some, absolutely. For me as a fan, there is no other college basketball equivalent that comes close to Yanks/Sox. Same with my pro football fandom, although the Eagles get borderline close at times. For pro basketball, it was the Bulls/Pacers/Heat for periods of the 90s/00s, and the Pacers came close again last year. But still nothing that touches the Sox.

 

[MBF68]

A-Rod is a wind bag: frustrated by the rightful Hall of Fame snubs and Yankees not honoring his number 13.

 

[Halldan]

No doubt he has had a very dubious past, especially with the Yankees. But it doesn't mean in this case he isn't correct.

 

[NIL BAD]

Eli already had 2 Super Bowl rings by the time he was 31. Unfortunately the Giants didn't see the need to surround him with an adequate line after the second Super Bowl. Like Judge, he never complained about the roster or made any controversial public remarks but he probably should have. It definitely tarnished his legacy.

 

[Fishjam]

Yankees issues start with Hal and Cashman. Hal and the family are content making huge money every year with a consistent 3 million fans and playoff berths every year. For that reason, he has allowed Cashman to have a lifetime contract despite only 1 championship in the last 24 seasons.

Cashman is a competent GM but has major weaknesses that show every year and prevent greatness. He relies far too heavily on analytics and is too stubborn to make changes when one of his moves isn't working out. Year after year he amasses talent like he's a Fantasy baseball owner, ignoring important aspects of team-building, personalities and having a balanced team that can win in multiple ways.

What ARod said, I have said all season. This is a poorly constructed roster. Cashman's obsession with LH swinging Catchers has had him trade away about 6 RH-hitting Catchers in the last 2 years that could have platooned with Wells. Narvaez in Boston, Perez in Florida, etc were traded by Cash. Team defense has been atrocious. Their Infield defense is among the worst in baseball which had to be patched by trading for McMahon who is excellent. But they gave away runs all year and in the playoffs.

This then extends to Boone and the players. Boone is too rigid in his decision-making and doesn't make changes because the strategy comes from the front office. He has to take blame for the failure of young players developing, huge defensive gaffes like failure to cover first base or hitting cut-off men, baserunning blunders, etc.

 

[shu67]

When you have a guy like Judge you build a team around him of guys who can get on base. Instead they built a team of guys who strikeout a lot, don't make contact a lot and they do hit a lot of homers....mostly with no one on base. Judge should be batting 3rd or 4th with guys in front of him who can hit .300 or close to it, get on base a lot and have speed. Instead he bats 2nd with the guy in front of him batting .230. The back end of the order has 3 guys barely batting .200.

The whole infield is barely batting .230. between Wells, McMahon, Volpe, Chishoim and Rice! Bellinger is the only legit hitter and on base guy other than Judge.

The Yankees almost every year lead the majors in home runs but that does not get them a world series win! It's the wrong formula!

 

[Fishjam]

When you have a guy like Judge you build a team around him of guys who can get on base. Instead they built a team of guys who strikeout a lot, don't make contact a lot and they do hit a lot of homers....mostly with no one on base. Judge should be batting 3rd or 4th with guys in front of him who can hit .300 or close to it, get on base a lot and have speed. Instead he bats 2nd with the guy in front of him batting .230. The back end of the order has 3 guys barely batting .200.

The whole infield is barely batting .230. between Wells, McMahon, Volpe, Chishoim and Rice! Bellinger is the only legit hitter and on base guy other than Judge.

The Yankees almost every year lead the majors in home runs but that does not get them a world series win! It's the wrong formula!

Amen! When your offense has Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton, you should build much of the rest of your team with guys like Toronto has. Give me a team that gets on base, is athletic, can put the bat on the ball, run and play good defense.

Cashman is intoxicated by the HR to such a degree that he tries to make HR hitters out of players who should be hitting line drives - Volpe being the poster boy for this.

Overall in this postseason, no one could get on base consistently except for Judge. Judge had a .581 OBP but the rest of the regulars were well below .300 except for McMahon (.333). Grisham (.219), Bellinger (.258), Stanton (.267), Chisholm (.280), Volpe (.198), Wells (.260), Rice (.286) meant not enough baserunners aboard when Judge came up.

I think the Yankee lineup needs a shakeup even though they led baseball in HRs and Runs scored. This has not been a winning strategy in the playoffs. You have to bring Bellinger back. Judge, Bellinger, Stanton, Rice & McMahon are enough pure power threats in a lineup. I'd move on from Stanton if a trade can be made to free up the DH. I'd then rebuild the team in the 4 key positions in the middle of the diamond - C, 2B, SS & CF.

There are a lot of internal candidates to fill those spots but I'm not handing starting jobs to Volpe, Wells or Dominguez. They'll have to earn them. I love Jazz' talent but he's a frustrating player. I don't think he's a guy I'd sign to a multi-year deal so I'd attempt to move him while he's affordable and coming off a 30-30 season. If we improve at the other spots, I'd live with Jazz but he has to be coached up to be stronger fundamentally. I'd love it if Spencer Jones wins the CF job. I'd live with rookie struggles offensively from him if he's a very good defensive CF with power and speed.

 

[TheHall87]

Amen! When your offense has Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton, you should build much of the rest of your team with guys like Toronto has. Give me a team that gets on base, is athletic, can put the bat on the ball, run and play good defense.

Cashman is intoxicated by the HR to such a degree that he tries to make HR hitters out of players who should be hitting line drives - Volpe being the poster boy for this.

Overall in this postseason, no one could get on base consistently except for Judge. Judge had a .581 OBP but the rest of the regulars were well below .300 except for McMahon (.333). Grisham (.219), Bellinger (.258), Stanton (.267), Chisholm (.280), Volpe (.198), Wells (.260), Rice (.286) meant not enough baserunners aboard when Judge came up.

I think the Yankee lineup needs a shakeup even though they led baseball in HRs and Runs scored. This has not been a winning strategy in the playoffs. You have to bring Bellinger back. Judge, Bellinger, Stanton, Rice & McMahon are enough pure power threats in a lineup. I'd move on from Stanton if a trade can be made to free up the DH. I'd then rebuild the team in the 4 key positions in the middle of the diamond - C, 2B, SS & CF.

There are a lot of internal candidates to fill those spots but I'm not handing starting jobs to Volpe, Wells or Dominguez. They'll have to earn them. I love Jazz' talent but he's a frustrating player. I don't think he's a guy I'd sign to a multi-year deal so I'd attempt to move him while he's affordable and coming off a 30-30 season. If we improve at the other spots, I'd live with Jazz but he has to be coached up to be stronger fundamentally. I'd love it if Spencer Jones wins the CF job. I'd live with rookie struggles offensively from him if he's a very good defensive CF with power and speed.

You won't be able to move Stanton. He has a full no-trade and has made it clear he doesn't want to leave.

I'm sure it could happen for the right number but you would also probably have to eat a lot of the contract to get a solid return.

 

[IronKaz1]

Jaxson Dart is now the NEW Eli