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Stop telling white people they are racists because they are white. That’s a good start. I’ve never talked down to a single person of color on my life and as far as I can remember have never looked at anyone different because of something they can’t control like skin color.

Things like weight, hygiene, attitude is what separates people not skin color. If I avoid a group of black people its because that particular group earned that from me. Same goes for white people.
That is awesome of you if true, but again, you not being racist has nothing to do with others or it still being a problem. News flash: White people aren't typically going to notice racism that is directed at them. Just because you don't see it or experience it does not mean it doesn't exist.

Have I called you directly a racist?
 

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Not liking someone strictly based on their skin color is wrong.
Rejecting ideas on the basis of race is supremely wrong, yet that is what you advocate on the very subject of racism, which makes you entirely racist. And yes, if I think a black man's feelings about racism are wrong I will tell him, perhaps boldly. And have.
 
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I can't make you accept any truths you don't want to believe. He was targeted for his birth records and certificate for years. Simply because he was the first major black candidate and the first black president. That is oppression whether you want to admit it or not.
That had nothing to do with race, it had to do with his very sketchy background. Now you're playing victim for him. That isn't oppression.
 
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Slavery of the kind in which you speak has been over. Yes illegal sex slavery is everywhere but, focus on the word illegal.

Growing up in Louisville I have had my share of being called white boy, cracker and other words from youths when I was young. Also, playing basketball for military teams while in I was relegated to the bench while being the only white goy on the team and I was better that half on the team. In some cases, not making the team because they could have only 15 players and I was the only white guy there. I was better than some that made it. A buddy on mine quit one team because he saw it too and did not think it was right.

First few years in the military during the 70's there was a lot of racial tension that saw mistreatment from all sides. Blacks against Whites and vice verse. American/Mexican vs Puerto Ricans (Actually was worse than White on Black).

Racial prejudices are out there but, once again, not anywhere near as bad as it was or as bad as we are being lead to believe.
And you should not have been treated that way. It was wrong!! That is racism and it has no place here.

See how easy that was?

It is still pretty bad, but I would not expect a white person so really see, be away, experience or no about it on the level of racial minorities in this country do.
 
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Can you please cite where congressional members where saying to vote white men out. I think you may find they were saying they wanted more females and members of minorities to make up a congress actually representative of the America we all live in today. And why should it not? If half the US is women, should they not have an equal voice in congress. If The make up of our country is becoming more mixed, should our representatives not be as well?

Good Lord, where do you come up with these crazy conspiracies?


The quotes are out there and easy to access. I think I'm finished with you as you demand proof from others while you provide proof of nothing and basically have a "because I said so" stance on everything. Total waste of time. I dont know if you actually believe most of what you say as it's so out there. I think you just enjoy debating.
 
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You really need to ask? Would you want a black person lecturing you on what it's like being white? Or what it's like to have a small penis?
Would not bother me a bit. People have been telling me for years how I am. I just laugh and drive on unless you've are the pervert I think you are and have been watching me urinate.
 

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Rejecting ideas on the basis of race is supremely wrong, yet that is what you advocate on the very subject of racism, which makes you entirely racist. And yes, if I think a black man's feelings about racism are wrong I will tell him, perhaps boldly. And have.
Except you are white and have never experienced racism on the scale of a black person. You have always been in the vast majority of this country.

White people like you don't see or experience racism in the way or on the scale of black people. Again, there are very very very few places in the country where you can go and not be the racial majority. You did not need civil right legislation just be treated like everyone else. There is nothing you can teach a black person about racism.

Likewise, as a man, would you provide women detail or the rigors of pregnancy and childbirth? Why not?
 

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The quotes are out there and easy to access. I think I'm finished with you as you demand proof from others while you provide proof of nothing and basically have a "because I said so" stance on everything. Total waste of time. I dont know if you actually believe most of what you say as it's so out there. I think you just enjoy debating.
So if they are so available you should have no issues posting them here real quick.

Please, please please. I really wanna see it.
 
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Being poor, whether you are black or white, is the biggest "oppression" in America today. Not having the means to advance in society is a much bigger hindrance than "racism".

There are actually a couple more unearned privileges which help more, intelligence and looks. Wealth can be squandered.

If you are intelliget enough, you never buy in to these failed beliefs. If you are good looking enough, you can just marry someone successful who likely doesn't hold these failed beliefs.

Then there is another, your conscientiousness which is earned... if you work hard enough, even if you are ugly and dumb, you can be successful enough if you just work hard enough.

Where you don't get anywhere is holding these failed tribalistic beliefs blaming everything on the nefarious other... everyone else is bad and out to get you...it might even cost your life as that totally unnecessary chip on your shoulder where your unwarranted discontent eff the police attitude gets you shot by an incompetent policeman as you reach for your wallet.

What the regressive left really wants, and this whole systemic racism malarkey is a part of this anti-American agenda, is to equalize the playing field for everyone, make everything fair and even steven. This only sounds good and makes sense to the totally obtuse, just like this whole thread. You only get to where they go by not thinking hard enough.

It is really remarkable... and dangerous.
 

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That is awesome of you if true, but again, you not being racist has nothing to do with others or it still being a problem. News flash: White people aren't typically going to notice racism that is directed at them. Just because you don't see it or experience it does not mean it doesn't exist.

Have I called you directly a racist?
No but you have called a few people ITT racists that have said nothing to suggest they are.

I don’t feel sorry for black people any more than I feel sorry for white or yellow or red people. Want to know why?

Because I’m from one of the poorest towns/counties in the country. I see people of all colors in an equal playin field because we are all poor.

Some (White, black, brown) put on their big boy pants and try to work themselves out of a situation that they may or may not have had any say in.

Some (White, black, brown) sit at home and whine about not having the opportunity that others have.

Some people get a head start in life. That doesn’t mean the rest of us should whine and not do anything to change our situation
 

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Except you are white and have never experienced racism on the scale of a black person. You have always been in the vast majority of this country.

White people like you don't see or experience racism in the way or on the scale of black people. Again, there are very very very few places in the country where you can go and not be the racial majority. You did not need civil right legislation just be treated like everyone else. There is nothing you can teach a black person about racism.

Likewise, as a man, would you provide women detail or the rigors of pregnancy and childbirth? Why not?
I see, so it is this "scale" that you allude to, that will always give blacks a pass, for those litany of times they can be wrong about racism, and very often are, which should afford them a layer of protection, from any horrifying experience of being better informed.
 
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I'm pretty old.
If you are over 60 then you probably experienced a lot and I am sorry you did but, my point of it getting better still stands.I'm getting old too and have experienced much. I have seen (as I have previously posted) a lot of dirty treatment of minorities and others in the past and I can assure you (with all sincerity) none of it originated or came from me. Not to say I have not argued with people over situations but, never used a racial slur ever. With all of this talk of parents, my mother made sure we were raised correctly. You said anything bad and it was a bar of soap in the mouth and a tanning of your back side. With that being said, I think too many people allow themselves to be manipulated into believing things are worse than they are.
 
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There are actually a couple more unearned privileges which help more, intelligence and looks. Wealth can be squandered.

If you are intelliget enough, you never buy in to these failed beliefs. If you are good looking enough, you can just marry someone successful who likely doesn't hold these failed beliefs.

Then there is another, your conscientiousness which is earned... if you work hard enough, even if you are ugly and dumb, you can be successful enough if you just work hard enough.

Where you don't get anywhere is holding these failed tribalistic beliefs blaming everything on the nefarious other... everyone else is bad and out to get you...it might even cost your life as that totally unnecessary chip on your shoulder where your unwarranted discontent eff the police attitude gets you shot by an incompetent policeman as you reach for your wallet.

What the regressive left really wants, and this whole systemic racism malarkey is a part of this anti-American agenda, is to equalize the playing field for everyone, make everything fair and even steven. This only sounds good and makes sense to the totally obtuse, just like this whole thread. You only get to where they go by not thinking hard enough.

It is really remarkable... and dangerous.

I agree. I was just stating that "racism" is down on the list of reasons for "oppression" in America today. Coming out of any depressed area is difficult. But with Affirmative Action, quotas and an emphasis on helping the least among us, being a minority gives people that are intelligent or driven a way out today moreso than any other time in our history.
 

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I'll never understand why so many of you spend so much of your time arguing that something doesn't exist when it clearly does.

Why is it so painful for you to say racism still exists today? That it's just not as out in the open? That people, particular black people, face discrimination every day in the work force, by police, by regular citizens, etc?

It won't make you feel less of a man. I promise.
No one said it did not exist. Maybe you should read enough or understand enough to contribute more intelligently to the thread.
 

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My general test for whether racism is still prevalent is a simple “would I rather” question.

I’m a standard white dude. Grew up in Canada and have lived in Kentucky since the mid 90s. Would I rather have been born a black dude? **** no.
 
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Nah, child porn isn't really my thing.

Also, evidently he had a hard life growing up, so I doubt a camera and film was something they had anyway.
As did I, you want to trade stories? Bet mine will be considered rough even by your standards.
 

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And you should not have been treated that way. It was wrong!! That is racism and it has no place here.

See how easy that was?

It is still pretty bad, but I would not expect a white person so really see, be away, experience or no about it on the level of racial minorities in this country do.
Not arguing that, never was.
 

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Black people have been telling you what it is like to be white?
No, just people in general have been trying for years to tell me how I should be, who I should be, who I should hang out with, who I should go out with. Funny thing is, no matter how many time you tell people this is who I am, they are still trying to change you and yes some were black.

You would probably be surprise at my circle of friends.
 
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Bud, you and I are too far apart to really waste much more breath or typing on the matter.

Big business needs to bring jobs back stateside to the communities that need them. If that means some regulatory and tax breaks for big companies, then I guess that's the way it is.

Americans working in American communities is better for America than Chinese working in China.

White people are called racist every day, and associated with tragedies that we had no part in. That by definition is racist. Clumping people into something based on skin color.

Every time a race hustling talking head with an agenda gets on TV they ask me to atone and feel bad.

We have acknowledged it. It's called history books. It's called the civil war. It's called all the rules, laws, regulations, quotas, diversity rules, welfare, etc that have come about since. Every time the discussion comes up it is acknowledged by everyone, conservative and liberal, that it was bad.

Yes, slavery happened. Yes it was bad. However it is not unique to America.

Nike is putting things on the back of shoes. Flags of other countries that have more current human rights abuses. That fact that the shoe was made by some child in less than ideal conditions for nothing is an atrocity itself. But that's fine. Issues of other countries are palatable.

Again, many people and businesses rich, poor, liberal, or conservative hire illegal immigrant labor. I disagree with it. Pointing out Trump saying look what he did does nothing. We know, and for 1000th time there's nothing that can be done about that until the immigration laws are made more strict and border more secure.

People, many millions of whom voted for Obama and Clinton, did not vote for trump because of racism or because they like cheap immigrant labor. They voted for Trump because he put forth American first ideals.

Rand Paul, Jeb Bush, nor any of the others would have changed the rhetoric coming from the left. The left was going to scream and holler, racism, misogyny, "white lash", etc regardless.

Don't blame pubs for not electing an independent when the libs don't even want a liberal CEO, of liberal company, HQ'd in liberal Seattle to run as one. How about this, you all vote for an independent. I don't agree with Schultz on many things but I can appreciate his rags to riches story and think overall he would probably be a better President than any of the far left and far out candidates we saw in the first two debates.

The libs did not have better candidates in 16. They had more liberal candidates. Which is why we have Trump. Put up a Tim Ryan or Schultz type and come back to the moderate wing of the party, tighten up the stance on border/immigration, ease up on the "Toxic, racist, white, male, priveledge" bs, don't scare all the employers off to foreign countries with outrageous tax and regulations, and the party will win 2024.

It's been done, it did not work.

Which ones have you been blamed for?

Who is asking you to atone or feel bad? Can you cite this please?

Slavery is the biggest stain on American history. Just regulating it to ohh well it happened get over it does't quite cut it.

It points out he has no desire to return jobs to American workers. Like, at all! It's a complete lie!

What America Ideal does he put first? Job have been leaving just the same. New ones aren't coming. We are no better today than 3 years ago. In many aspects we are worse off. We are in trade wars with no end and are having to give social welfare to farmers to make ends meet.

People voted for Trump because he lied and they were dumb enough to believe it. He still got 3 million + less votes. Not like most people even wanted him.
 

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No but you have called a few people ITT racists that have said nothing to suggest they are.

I don’t feel sorry for black people any more than I feel sorry for white or yellow or red people. Want to know why?

Because I’m from one of the poorest towns/counties in the country. I see people of all colors in an equal playin field because we are all poor.

Some (White, black, brown) put on their big boy pants and try to work themselves out of a situation that they may or may not have had any say in.

Some (White, black, brown) sit at home and whine about not having the opportunity that others have.

Some people get a head start in life. That doesn’t mean the rest of us should whine and not do anything to change our situation
Who have I called a racist?

Economic success has nothing to do with whether a person is or isn't racist not whether someone does or does not deal with racism.
 
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No, just people in general have been trying for years to tell me how I should be, who I should be, who I should hang out with, who I should go out with. Funny thing is, no matter how many time you tell people this is who I am, they are still trying to change you and yes some were black.

You would probably be surprise at my circle of friends.
I would not. You could be a great guy, I would not be shocked as you seem pretty decent. That still does not change the fact racism exist and people of color deal with it constantly.
 
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I see, so it is this "scale" that you allude to, that will always give blacks a pass, for those litany of times they can be wrong about racism, and very often are, which should afford them a layer of protection, from any horrifying experience of being better informed.
What scale?
How are they wrong?
What are they being protected from?
Could you please make at least a little sense?
 
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If you are over 60 then you probably experienced a lot and I am sorry you did but, my point of it getting better still stands.I'm getting old too and have experienced much. I have seen (as I have previously posted) a lot of dirty treatment of minorities and others in the past and I can assure you (with all sincerity) none of it originated or came from me. Not to say I have not argued with people over situations but, never used a racial slur ever. With all of this talk of parents, my mother made sure we were raised correctly. You said anything bad and it was a bar of soap in the mouth and a tanning of your back side. With that being said, I think too many people allow themselves to be manipulated into believing things are worse than they are.
Sounds like you were raised right! Kudos to your parents!
 

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The point is it...

-doesn't exist to the extent you think it does.
-doesn't help you or anyone else if you blame your problems on others instead of accepting full personal responsibility.
-tribalism is dangerous and these racializers don't want what's best for you.

also, the logic you use to support your beliefs doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I want you to stop actually feeling less of a man

-because you say it doesn't? Racism and bigotry is alive and well on this very board on a daily basis.
-it doesn't hurt you to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe some might be at a disadvantage compared to others.
-what is a racializer? Someone that recognizes reality and points it out?

I feel just fine, by the way. I can live my life and understand injustice at the same time.
 
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