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Please don't label me with some of the posters who have headed over there to run their mouth -- I'm actually here to have a legit basketball discussion.


What do you guys think West Virginia needs to do well to beat Kentucky? What do they need to avoid? What would be your gameplan?


From what I've seen, I'll give you my take on what Kentucky needs to do to beat WVU.


1. Be physical on the defensive glass. WVU is a poor shooting team, but they get after it on the offensive boards. Due to our defensive scheme, we have left ourselves out of position a lot on the defensive glass -- That, combined with the fact that we have been soft with the ball (looking to run before securing the rebound), has led to a lot of 50/50 balls going against us. If we aren't stronger with the ball, we could be in for a long night.

2. Spacing vs. the press -- Whatever you've heard about Kentucky and their lack of ball handlers, please ignore it -- Look at the numbers, it's simply not true. However, where we do struggle is our spacing on the offensive end. Presses are more successful against teams with poor spacing because you get guys bunched together, creating trap opportunities with no outlet pass. We need to get the ball to Andrew Harrison in the middle of the court and clear out -- Make your guys decide to press and run the risk of having Andrew throw over top of the press or back off and let Andrew bring the ball up against man defense.

3. Get Willie Cauley-Stein involved early. WCS is always a game-changer on the defensive end, but he can disappear on the offensive end at times. I've noticed this year that if he doesn't get a few touches early, he's a no-show on the offensive end. I'd like to see getting the ball to WCS 10-12 feet away from the basket and letting him make a move the first few possessions.

4. Avoid a sluggish start. The one common theme with this Kentucky team has been that they seem to start slow a lot. We need to come out ready to play. "Upsets" happen when you let a team hang around and start truly believing they can win the game. If we come out and punch you guys in the mouth early, I like our chances to really pull away -- However, we haven't done that really at all this year.


That's all I got from the Kentucky side of things -- So what do you guys have? What do you need to do to win tomorrow night?
 
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1. Disrupt you wth our defense. Frustrate you with the press.
2. Make shots
3. Out rebound you.
4. Be the more physical team at both ends.
5. Do what Cinci did to you in the first 12 minutes but do it for 40 minutes

Our best chance is to get you out of your game with unrelenting pressure.
 
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They have everything to lose. We have nothing to lose.
They lose its a national embarrassment .

We lose, well, we were supposed to lose.

I like where we are at right now. There is no pressure on us.
 

LowFatMilk

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Re: Our best chance is

Originally posted by TarHeelEer:
Devin avoids foul trouble, and we do our normal thing.
I'm not sure about our normal thing...at least on offense.

I can see us wasting PLENTY of possessions trying to establish Devin on offense (under the basket). I just don't see it working. Obviously he's VERY important rebounding though, particularly on the offensive boards. That's where he can get his points imo.

We need something 'special'...either from our outside shooting or the lack of Kentucky's.
 

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Just like you said about ignoring that stigma about your "lack of ballhandlers" the same could be said about our "lack of shooters." I don't buy it. When WVU starts drying up on offense look closely at why and look at the KIND of shots they're taking. They're not high percentage shots when guys are standing around and just passing the ball from side to side then forcing something inside when it isn't there.

But when they're really being creative and all guys are moving and reversing things, then that's when WVU gets hot. We can shoot the ball but we take some low percentage shots at times which leads to, I think a misunderstanding of our so-called poor shooting.

Another thing, Teams have cut Staten off from driving the ball and when WVU starts forcing it with different players attempting to drive and it's not there, that's when we go cold. Plus, I thought Huggins waited too long to adjust to how Maryland was carving up our trap defense. I wouldn't trap all the time. I would change defenses if something isn't working consistently. We're going to have to adjust fast in this one.

What we have going for us is tremendous depth, and even though they're inexperienced at this level, the odds go up for someone to deliver when you keep putting fresh bodies in there. Plus, our two starting guards are seniors. We just need them to play like it.
 

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Good post. Obviously we need to be as unconventional as possible. You have superior talent so we cannot simply man up. We need to press, play zone when needed, be aggressive and have superior smarts. We have to be smarter than you with and without the ball. But most importantly we must NEVER BACK DOWN. We must stay in your face from start to finish. If we flinch, which we won't, then you are going to steam roll us. So given that we won't back down, I fully expect this to be one of the UGLIEST games ever played by a Mountaineer Team. But in the end, when the clock clicks down, and 3 players are on the bench after fouling out, it will be absolutely BEAUTIFUL watching the Mountaineers and Fans celebrating at mid-court. I Can't Wait.
 

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I follow basketball like say a month and a half a year.

IMO for WVU to win, they need:

1. To be meaner than hell. Not dirty, just pesky, mean, and constantly in UK's face on defense creating at least the season average on turnovers.
2. The game to be physical with the refs letting Devin Williams play without foul trouble.
3. WVU shoot a little better than normal.


But honestly what do I know? I don't watch college basketball until after Presidents' Day. I watch football. Basketball is only fun for me this time a year.
 

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Make the extra pass. Ky gets a lot of blocks by the second man - he is leaving his man open to go to the ball. Dump to his man and he should be open - Holton catch and jam. Let the twins score rather than feed dunk. Twin more apt to miss from 6-8' than WKS is to miss dunk and get fans involved.

Change defense as often as needed. Don't let Ky get comfortable in identifying defense set early.

Good luck to the Mountaineers.
 

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Hit our shots. keeping certain folks out of foul trouble...

If WVU can get up 8-10 pts...it could make the young UK studs feel a bit panicky since they have rarely dealt with adversity this year
 

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I agree, it's like getting a bonus ball on the pin ball machine. It's an extra game that we weren't expected to get. Plus getting this far helps with recruiting and lets us see how we compare to the probable NC giving us a bench mark for next year and gives all our young players one plenty of NCAA game experience. It is a win no matter the outcome.
 

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I agree,...

stuffing a wad of $100 bills in the refs pockets before the game and beating on them till blood is drawn ought to work. Maybe a knife kept ready in the waist band of Adrian's shorts.
 

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I go with Huggins

Just do what we do best.

If it isn't enough, so be it.

But the ferocious press and rebounding are WVU's major assets. You got with what brung you to the dance.

CUYAHOGA FALLS EERS
 

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Re: Our best chance is

Nothing to lose. ky has won 9 titles and wv has 0 in over 100 yrs. you need to win one title in something.Your in the sweet sixteen. Nothingbig in that for ky fans. spoiled rotten u all have nothing to lose. hell maybe 0-12 is not as great as wv thinks its done against marshall. now your marshall.
 

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Re: Our best chance is

Originally posted by sistersville:
Nothing to lose. ky has won 9 titles and wv has 0 in over 100 yrs. you need to win one title in something.Your in the sweet sixteen. Nothingbig in that for ky fans. spoiled rotten u all have nothing to lose. hell maybe 0-12 is not as great as wv thinks its done against marshall. now your marshall.
Sistersville, what was the score the last time we played Kentucky? That's right, we won that game. Let me repeat that...we won the game...we are not Marshall (0-12). Bye now!
 

sistersville

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how you doing wiwi? last time ky and wv played wv was up 10 at half but lost. i wish wv fans understand they do have something to lose a national title. You beat ky you then have everything to lose.
 
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I'm not even sure what you are trying to argue because what you said has nothing to do with what I said.


I'm talking specifically about THIS game. WTF does Marshall have to do with anything.
 

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Posted yesterday on the BL, but here are 3 things I believe we need to do to have a chance:


(1) Just look back at our 3 best wins, in terms of RPI:v. Kan. (RPI: 3): +15 FGAv. Okla. (RPI: 18): +18 FGAv. NCST (RPI: 40): +22 FGA


Getting at least 15 more FGA is a must. This will come from winning the TO and Rebounding battle on both on the offensive and defensive end of the court… We need to be getting extra shots, while limiting their second chance buckets. Pretty much the easiest thing to point out that needs to be done….

(2) Never let them get comfortable. Pound them non-stop physically like they have never experienced before, while never shutting our mouths. Get in their heads off the bat. I'd love to see another repeat from our start against UM, Dax knocking down a deep 3 and immediately getting in the grill of one of the Twins. Never give them a second of peace, whether that comes mentally or physically.


(3) If you can call anything a weakness regarding UK, it's outside shooting. If we can take away Booker, while packing in the paint; we will have a much better chance of UK having one of those days were it's just not there. Give the Harrison's little room to throw it up…. If they happen to have one of those off games (which is very possible for them both, not so much Booker) we will have a much better chance of stopping them offensively, than allowing them to play with our bigs down low.
 

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Re: Our best chance is


Originally posted by WiiWii:
Originally posted by sistersville:
Nothing to lose. ky has won 9 titles and wv has 0 in over 100 yrs. you need to win one title in something.Your in the sweet sixteen. Nothingbig in that for ky fans. spoiled rotten u all have nothing to lose. hell maybe 0-12 is not as great as wv thinks its done against marshall. now your marshall.
Sistersville, what was the score the last time we played Kentucky? That's right, we won that game. Let me repeat that...we won the game...we are not Marshall (0-12). Bye now!
 

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Keys for WVU

1.) Hit the glass on the offensive end and increase the shot total because WVU is going to shoot a low percentage in this game.

2.) Keep the 4's out of foul trouble... especially Holten. The press is so much better with him on the court.

3.) Hope Kentucky has one of their 30% from the field and 25% from the three point line games.

4.) Have the refs not call a tight game. It needs to be physical. My biggest ref pet peeve in any game I have watched this year is the refs calling the defense for fouls when the offensive player initiated contact with his off arm or palm of his hand via a pushoff.

5.) Have at least two of these players, Browne, Carter, Miles, and Paige get hot from the three point line.

6.) Box out well on the defensive end and hope for some over the back calls on Kentucky's bigs,,, Kentucky has a ton of length and can kill a team on the glass with second chance points when motivated.

7.) Jump out early and have a great start. Kentucky has had some bad starts this year including being down 11-0 (I may be wrong) to an Ivy league team--I think it was Columbia.
 

docinjax

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Re: Our best chance is

Originally posted by WiiWii:

Originally posted by sistersville:
Nothing to lose. ky has won 9 titles and wv has 0 in over 100 yrs. you need to win one title in something.Your in the sweet sixteen. Nothingbig in that for ky fans. spoiled rotten u all have nothing to lose. hell maybe 0-12 is not as great as wv thinks its done against marshall. now your marshall.
Sistersville, what was the score the last time we played Kentucky? That's right, we won that game. Let me repeat that...we won the game...we are not Marshall (0-12). Bye now!
So wrong. West Virginia won against Kentucky in the 2010 Elite 8 game 73-66.

The very next year Kentucky beat West Virginia 71-63 in the 2011 3rd round of the NCAA tournament in Tampa.

So Kentucky won the last game..........
 

bobhertzel'ssweatpants

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Originally posted by WiiWii:
Sistersville, what was the score the last time we played Kentucky?
I get your point, but don't play into their hands...

March 19, 2011
UK 71 WVU 63

Don't argue with sisterville. He has about 15 favorite teams including Marshall, WVU & Kentucky.