Kluckers got Brandon Hill. ***
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How? In this case, the elements are as follows: 1. Take one highly regarded academic casualty; 2. Have him end up at a place where you've had some success pulling OLs in the past; 3. Watch as he balloons up to nearly 400 pounds and looks like warmed over **** most of the season for Hargrave; 4. Take advantage of other programs backing away; 5. Snap up the big fella after he realizes Tunsil is headed to T-town and needs to take the offer while it's still there.
We didn't recruit him this time around. My guess is that we really like our O-line class and didn't want to risk any of those commits for a guy that could be viewed as equal or less talented and a risk. Furthermore, with all our O-line returning next year, early playing time wouldn't really be in the cards.
agree that if bama had wanted him back they
would have gotten him. in fact i think he tried to committ to them this week and basically got the word. that said if he was good enough for saban out of hs, then we can sure afford to give him a try. as we all know, ole miss needs olinemen.
would have gotten him. in fact i think he tried to committ to them this week and basically got the word. that said if he was good enough for saban out of hs, then we can sure afford to give him a try. as we all know, ole miss needs olinemen.
Furthers my theory that Freeze isn't doing much evaluation.....
....I honestly think he just looks at stars on Scout and Rivals, and blanket offers the guys. Orgeron admitted to doing this, and he's Freeze's recruiting mentor so there you go. But talent is talent, and yes, Hill has some talent. Seems like Freeze has the Cal mentality, give me the talent and we'll find a way to work with it. Not saying it isn't a good thing, just a different approach than I am used to at MSU. Worked for Orgeron I guess, although he never really got much out of his guys, had to bring in Nutt to get them to play with confidence.
....I honestly think he just looks at stars on Scout and Rivals, and blanket offers the guys. Orgeron admitted to doing this, and he's Freeze's recruiting mentor so there you go. But talent is talent, and yes, Hill has some talent. Seems like Freeze has the Cal mentality, give me the talent and we'll find a way to work with it. Not saying it isn't a good thing, just a different approach than I am used to at MSU. Worked for Orgeron I guess, although he never really got much out of his guys, had to bring in Nutt to get them to play with confidence.
to reinforce this point, this is from Tuesday of this week.
"I just received my test score! Made a 20 which matches my g.p.a. and makes me qualified!" Hill said.
The former three-star offensive lineman projects best at guard, but he's playing tackle for Hargrave at 6-foot-6, 350 pounds. He has admittedly been focusing on the books of late, but he's ready to turn more of his focus back to football.
"It's time to grind harder," said Hill. "Now I can put some of the books down and get full time back in the weight room and get better.
"I got a dream to chase."
So what's the next step now that Hargrave's season is over? Said Hill, "Wait to January and sign my LOI (letter of intent) to 'Bama."
"I just received my test score! Made a 20 which matches my g.p.a. and makes me qualified!" Hill said.
The former three-star offensive lineman projects best at guard, but he's playing tackle for Hargrave at 6-foot-6, 350 pounds. He has admittedly been focusing on the books of late, but he's ready to turn more of his focus back to football.
"It's time to grind harder," said Hill. "Now I can put some of the books down and get full time back in the weight room and get better.
"I got a dream to chase."
So what's the next step now that Hargrave's season is over? Said Hill, "Wait to January and sign my LOI (letter of intent) to 'Bama."
have to disgree about the evals...
we've got a couple of committs in this class who were offered on the basis of evals at our camps. not highly recruited or starred. i would imagine freeze does offer a lot of these top rated kids from far flung areas on the basis of stars (actually more like offer lists than stars i think) but i have no problem with that. the closer to home they are the more closely they look at them.
we've got a couple of committs in this class who were offered on the basis of evals at our camps. not highly recruited or starred. i would imagine freeze does offer a lot of these top rated kids from far flung areas on the basis of stars (actually more like offer lists than stars i think) but i have no problem with that. the closer to home they are the more closely they look at them.
Hill is a three star so how exactly is Freeze blanket offering by stars? And Bama didn't want Bobby Massie either**
not sure if you're talking to me but i'm not
saying freeze blanket offers. quite the opposite but he does in fact offer a lot of top rated kids that i don't think he's scouted himself. and as i say i have no problem with it. i don't think hill is a "blanket offer" as you say he's "only" a 3* and since we've been recruiting him for over a year freeze obviously knows whether he thinks he can play.
saying freeze blanket offers. quite the opposite but he does in fact offer a lot of top rated kids that i don't think he's scouted himself. and as i say i have no problem with it. i don't think hill is a "blanket offer" as you say he's "only" a 3* and since we've been recruiting him for over a year freeze obviously knows whether he thinks he can play.
^^my thoughts exactly^^^. Worth a shot. Saban can afford to not have to take chances. MSU/ole miss, not so much. This guy is probably worth a chance. Even if you get one really good season out of him, it's well worth it. Getting in shape is easy when you're 20.
Your theory is based on one lineman committing to bama? Come on, there are 5 positions on the line that require two deep to remain competitive. Surely one guy committing didn't turn him to ole miss. Plus, he could have chosen any other school. my question stands, how are they getting big names to look or commit
It is interesting that while we didn't go back after Hill with him now being at Hargrave that we are indeed still after another Hargrave OL named Sunny Odogwu who is huge at 6-8 310.
wasn't there talk that some of the bear boosters in memphis
were interfering with him well after signing day? I'm sure someone remembers the details, but there was a pretty detailed story about it.
were interfering with him well after signing day? I'm sure someone remembers the details, but there was a pretty detailed story about it.
Yeah, he's using Scout.com and Rivals to decide who he offers. Are you serious about this crap? How about Quin Burdette, who is in the 2-deep on defense at safety as a freshman and was a 2*? Or how did he know that Mike Hilton would be a good DB if he was listed as a RB? Or Trae Elston would be able to start at safety, since he was listed as the #68 CB? You can't possibly believe the guy is staking his coaching reputation on Rivals and Scout, can you?
Orgeron admitted to using Scout and Rivals to FIND players, contact numbers, and video on these players they had not otherwise scouted, not to identify their talent. Since the databases can hold much more information than players than could possibly be scouted on routine scouting trips or at combines, it makes sense. If you see something you like, get more video, see them in person, and make an evaluation. It's how he found a 4-year starter at placekicker for Ole Miss.
The fact that any player is in your 2 deep right now.....
is not a fair evaluation of their talent level. Mike Henig could probably play for you all right now back there.
is not a fair evaluation of their talent level. Mike Henig could probably play for you all right now back there.
I'm sure he is evaluating some of them.....
and he could possibly be putting in the work. No clue. But if the word is true about Hill, he is definitely taking a chance on him. Which is definitely OK.
I think the big question many want to know is if it's better to spend time actively recruiting solid out of staters rather than more projects that are closer and more thoroughly evaluated. Obviously you have to work harder on out of staters because they have no regional tie to your school so that's the trade-off.
and he could possibly be putting in the work. No clue. But if the word is true about Hill, he is definitely taking a chance on him. Which is definitely OK.
I think the big question many want to know is if it's better to spend time actively recruiting solid out of staters rather than more projects that are closer and more thoroughly evaluated. Obviously you have to work harder on out of staters because they have no regional tie to your school so that's the trade-off.
Trae Elston was a Under Armour All American. Freeze didnt just luck up and find some diamond in the rough there.
And regarding Burdette, is he really in the 2-deep at safety, or is he 2-deep in the safety because of injuries? Because considering yall have had walk-ons getting reps in your secondary, I dont think the depth chart is what it would be if everyone were healthy.
And regarding Burdette, is he really in the 2-deep at safety, or is he 2-deep in the safety because of injuries? Because considering yall have had walk-ons getting reps in your secondary, I dont think the depth chart is what it would be if everyone were healthy.
i think with lineman you'll never fill an sec roster with just ms kids. esp since neither of us gets them all. i don't conside alabama or west tn or n la or s ark to really be much of a stretch to recruit. distance wise they are closer than the ms coast so they can be worked pretty easily. i agree that they have no tie but on the other hand since we're not very often going to take one that bama/lsu/ark really really want then if they are sec type kids they'll be looking for a home and msu or ole miss are certainly close enough and they are aware of us.
No doubt.....
Memphis, all of Alabama really and Louisiana have to be on the radar for State and Ole Miss. Ole miss has done a good job of recruiting North Alabama lately too. MSU got a few in there last year. Secondly, I think you have to go to Atlanta, South Florida and now Texas for guys, specifically Dallas and Houston. Takes too much time to recruit the small towns if you're having to fly out.
I wish I could see more of an MSU presence in Mobile and Pensacola.
Memphis, all of Alabama really and Louisiana have to be on the radar for State and Ole Miss. Ole miss has done a good job of recruiting North Alabama lately too. MSU got a few in there last year. Secondly, I think you have to go to Atlanta, South Florida and now Texas for guys, specifically Dallas and Houston. Takes too much time to recruit the small towns if you're having to fly out.
I wish I could see more of an MSU presence in Mobile and Pensacola.
Burdette has been in the 2-deep at safety since Fall practice. When Sawyer was injured in preseason he and Elston battled for the starting spot. Then Sawyer was moved to CB and Elston took over at FS for good. Chief Brown and Burdette are our 3rd and 4th safeties, with Burdette also coming in on obvious passing situations and covering the slot or playing the MLB position in a Tampa 2. He's playing ahead of Frank Crawford, a JR safety signed by Nutt and Tanner Burns a former KSU transfer.
Out of 22 commits, 15 are either from MS, a MS JUCO, or Memphis. I'd say he's recruiting regionally pretty well. Several are from Georgia as well as some top targets. Several other recruits are from Illinois, Texas, or Louisiana. I wouldn't say they're stretching themselves real thin trying to recruit everyone everywhere. Seems like they're concentrating in certain high-volume areas as well as recruiting the state heavily.
Actually only 12 of 22 have MS ties + Memphis......
Learn to count. You'll probably get Conner, so I'll give you one more. For the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you count Liggins even though he doesn't eve play football right now. Add Brassell and you've got 14 total there. I'm guessing you're counting the 2 AL guys. Looking at the MS prospects left, there's really not much for you there. You aren't getting Shumpert. Point being, you're getting your clock cleaned instate.
This class that you bears are touting as the best ever looks pretty much like every other UM class to me, except for Nkemdiche, which would be quite a pull. Although you did get lucky there (Nutt got his brother, not even Freeze), I'll still give you credit.
Learn to count. You'll probably get Conner, so I'll give you one more. For the benefit of the doubt, I'll let you count Liggins even though he doesn't eve play football right now. Add Brassell and you've got 14 total there. I'm guessing you're counting the 2 AL guys. Looking at the MS prospects left, there's really not much for you there. You aren't getting Shumpert. Point being, you're getting your clock cleaned instate.
This class that you bears are touting as the best ever looks pretty much like every other UM class to me, except for Nkemdiche, which would be quite a pull. Although you did get lucky there (Nutt got his brother, not even Freeze), I'll still give you credit.
Can't wait to revisit this comment in February. Can I get Ronny to archive it for me?
Say what you want, this guy looks good to me. That extra weight looks like muscle. And I would like to take a chance with him on our team, especially with the O-line play we've had at the tackle position since Sherrod left (Mullen's first year).
May want to ask Whereisomaha about "revisiting" comments about croots around here before you make a statement like that.
"Quay Evans and Nick James will never play a down for MSU". Not Ronny, just sayin.
For the record, I'm not talking about Shumpert, he'll be at Mississippi State.