Yankees beefed up their biggest area of need with tall task lying ahead
At long last, the Yankees found some relief for their beleaguered relief corps.
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Like what the Yankees did?
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1 - He added 2 good bullpen arms that will help. Not sure about Bird.
2 - He filled the black hole at 3B with a strong defensive player Who has already made a difference.
3 - He added to the depth and versatility by adding some RH bats so they can platoon, pinch-hit, pinch-run and put in defensive replacements when needed.
4 - He added a legitimate backup SS so he doesn't need to play Volpe everyday
5 - Did it without giving up any of our top prospects although I liked Flores and Riggio.
6 - Taking a risk by not adding a SP. Gambling on Gil to be healthy and effective. If it works then he's your #3.
I would have gambled a little more, thinking about this year and the future.. You have to fix the defense. LF and SS are a problem. Volpe has shown he's not a SS. Just does not have the arm strength. Maybe you move him to 2B next year.
I think we should bring up Spencer Jones and let him play every day. I understand we have a glut of OFs right now. I would have dealt Grisham or Dominguez in a deal for a P or an upgrade at SS. Grisham is a FA at end of year and I have serious concerns with Dominguez' defense and ability to hit Right Handed. OF for next year is Bellinger, Jones & Judge.
2 - He filled the black hole at 3B with a strong defensive player Who has already made a difference.
3 - He added to the depth and versatility by adding some RH bats so they can platoon, pinch-hit, pinch-run and put in defensive replacements when needed.
4 - He added a legitimate backup SS so he doesn't need to play Volpe everyday
5 - Did it without giving up any of our top prospects although I liked Flores and Riggio.
6 - Taking a risk by not adding a SP. Gambling on Gil to be healthy and effective. If it works then he's your #3.
I would have gambled a little more, thinking about this year and the future.. You have to fix the defense. LF and SS are a problem. Volpe has shown he's not a SS. Just does not have the arm strength. Maybe you move him to 2B next year.
I think we should bring up Spencer Jones and let him play every day. I understand we have a glut of OFs right now. I would have dealt Grisham or Dominguez in a deal for a P or an upgrade at SS. Grisham is a FA at end of year and I have serious concerns with Dominguez' defense and ability to hit Right Handed. OF for next year is Bellinger, Jones & Judge.
Actually not withstanding last night the Yankees did very well Thursday, short of adding a starting picture. They got controllable players without
giving up a lot.
giving up a lot.
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One of Cashman's biggest weaknesses when evaluating talent is he overlooks player make-up. Not everyone is cut out to play in NYC for the Yankees, just because you get a lot of strikeouts for a last place team doesn't mean you can handle closing out a high-pressure game in a playoff race. Playing for the Yankees is a different kind of pressure and they often have players not suited for it. We'll see how this year's acquisitions fare. McMahon has looked good, tough debut for the rest.
On balance, I'm happy with the Yankee moves. Improved various areas. We'll see how it plays out.
This year was always going to be an uphill climb without Cole and Gill (we'll see how he comes back). Losing Schmidt on top of that. It's August, and they are very much in the mix.
I try and wear my other teams "fandom" hat when it comes to the Yankees, because they are often judged by unfair standards. As a Giant fan, Knick fan, and Hall hoops fan, let's just say Thank God I've had the Yankees (and btw, us Giants fans are kind of spoiled as well).
This year was always going to be an uphill climb without Cole and Gill (we'll see how he comes back). Losing Schmidt on top of that. It's August, and they are very much in the mix.
I try and wear my other teams "fandom" hat when it comes to the Yankees, because they are often judged by unfair standards. As a Giant fan, Knick fan, and Hall hoops fan, let's just say Thank God I've had the Yankees (and btw, us Giants fans are kind of spoiled as well).
I'm not a Yankee fan but I thought they did fairly well for themselves at the deadline.
McMahon was having a bad year for a dreadful team and seems to have reacted well to actually having something to play for. Plus, he fills a position of need for them now and in the immediate future. The other position player moves are for depth -- marginal upgrades with experience over inexperience.
Theoretically they've solidified the back end of the bullpen for a few years as well. Having four solid options to close out games shouldn't be a bad thing. Yes, the newcomers had a bad night on Friday but it's one game. There seemed to be something in the water around MLB yesterday as there were a number of odd games.
McMahon was having a bad year for a dreadful team and seems to have reacted well to actually having something to play for. Plus, he fills a position of need for them now and in the immediate future. The other position player moves are for depth -- marginal upgrades with experience over inexperience.
Theoretically they've solidified the back end of the bullpen for a few years as well. Having four solid options to close out games shouldn't be a bad thing. Yes, the newcomers had a bad night on Friday but it's one game. There seemed to be something in the water around MLB yesterday as there were a number of odd games.
The Yanks traded away 18 minor-leaguers in trades leading up to the deadline. They did it without including their "top rated" prospects. Often it feels like trades for non-elite prospects are a no-brainer but here's an example of 3 former Yankee prospects traded in the last year who are playing in the Majors already.
Last year the Yankees traded for Jazz Chisolm for 3 prospects, the highest rated being Catcher Agustin Ramirez who was ranked #20 in the Yankees system.
Jazz has put up a good season for the Yanks but continued the string of Yankees mental errors by being doubled off 1st on an infield pop-up today.
Jazz .242 - 18 HRs .803 OPS
In the same game, Agustin Ramirez hit 2 solo HRs to give Miami the 2-0 win over NY.
Ramirez .244 17 HRs .760 OPS
Boston just passed us in the standings led by Catcher Carlos Narvaez. Narvaez is 2nd among all AL Catchers with a 2.9 WAR.
Narvaez .254 - 9 HRs .743 OPS - 2.9 WAR
Also while the Yanks have had a Black Hole at 3B for years, they traded a AAA infielder named Chad Durbin in the Devin Williams trade this winter. Durbin has become the starting 3B for Milwaukee who has the best record in Baseball. Durbin has had a solid rookie year and is 5th among NL 3B with a 2.2 WAR.
Durbin .263 - 5 HR .716 OPS - 2.2 WAR
Last year the Yankees traded for Jazz Chisolm for 3 prospects, the highest rated being Catcher Agustin Ramirez who was ranked #20 in the Yankees system.
Jazz has put up a good season for the Yanks but continued the string of Yankees mental errors by being doubled off 1st on an infield pop-up today.
Jazz .242 - 18 HRs .803 OPS
In the same game, Agustin Ramirez hit 2 solo HRs to give Miami the 2-0 win over NY.
Ramirez .244 17 HRs .760 OPS
Boston just passed us in the standings led by Catcher Carlos Narvaez. Narvaez is 2nd among all AL Catchers with a 2.9 WAR.
Narvaez .254 - 9 HRs .743 OPS - 2.9 WAR
Also while the Yanks have had a Black Hole at 3B for years, they traded a AAA infielder named Chad Durbin in the Devin Williams trade this winter. Durbin has become the starting 3B for Milwaukee who has the best record in Baseball. Durbin has had a solid rookie year and is 5th among NL 3B with a 2.2 WAR.
Durbin .263 - 5 HR .716 OPS - 2.2 WAR
Somehow the Yanks keep catchers who are not that good offensively and give away kids who are proven better! Somehow the talent evaluation is way off. I remember when Gary Sanchez was promoted as being a great hitter for a number of years until the powers that be realized they were being made fools of.
Sanchez was a top offensive catcher in MLB for at least a few seasons before he dramatically fell off, for whatever reason.
The Yanks do a great job at developing catchers, as evidenced by their ability to deal guys for other talent. Been that way for a while, and sneakily guys like JR Murphy and Cervelli had long careers as backups after they left the Yanks.
Narvarez is a kid the Yanks signed at 18. Slowly worked his way up the organizational ladder and I don't think was ever viewed as a big time prospect. Ends up dealt in what I think was an organizational roster management move that teams make all the time under the radar, but has had a nice season for the Red Sox.
Occasional threads on other sports are fine especially during the dregs of the offseason. MLB trade deadline talk is appropriate this week. The key is for all threads to remain civil and respectful.
He only had one good offensive season with the Yanks. 2017 in 122 games he batted 278 with 90 RBIs. He went way downhill after that. He did bat 299 the year before but played in only 53 games. His strikeout totals were almost on a par with his hits and it got worse with each season.
His flame burned out quickly, but I think you are selling him short.
In 2016, his breakout, he only played 53 games as you point out, but hit 20 HRs and drove in 42 runs in those 53 games. That's pretty good for anyone, but especially a catcher. Second in ROY. Also with a good BA and OBP.
2017 he was terrific offensively for a catcher.
2018 he was terrible offensively, although I don't recall if that's because he was hurt for a good portion of the year.
2019 the batting average was still bad, but he hit over 30 home runs and drove in close to 80 in a bit over 100 games, which for a catcher is pretty damn good offensive production.
And then he fell off the cliff, although he is still hanging around 5 years later because of the power as a backup C/DH.
He was a strikeout waiting to happen his whole career. Even when he hit homers or for average he stuck out a lot. Plus he was not only very slow on the bases but made a lot of base running goofs. Catchers who hit homers and strike out a lot are not in demand unless they are great defensively which excludes Gary. A lifetime 224 hitter who strikes out a lot, is slow, horrible runner and not good defensively. Don't care about the power. I don't think I am selling him short. He is hard pressed to get a job these days. The NYC media was selling him as a great hitter. Boy did they goof!
He looked like a great hitter for the position coming off 2016 and 2017, when he accumulated 7 WAR combined, finished second in ROY, made an All Star team, won a Silver Slugger, and had somewhere like a top 20 MVP finish. I don't think the hype was unnecessarily justified going into the 2018 season coming off those two years with his pedigree as a prospect. Obviously he fell off a cliff, and what happened to him post-2017 is still mystifying based on what we saw those years. Even then, he rebounded in 2019 with a 3+ WAR position which for a catcher is pretty good. If you look at his stats over 2016-2019, he definitely didn't profile as a backup catcher, which you are right is what he ultimately became.
He fell in love with the home run and not making contact! The same virus infecting the current catcher Wells who will be gone if he does not change his ways.
Sanchez had another issue which was his batting stance and approach were awful. If any of the current crop of players wanted to learn proper approach to hitting all they have to do is look at how players of yesteryear came to the plate and their mechanics at the plate. The guys that made contact did not have goof ball stances, high leg kicks etc. . Just look at how Rizzuto, Mantle, Ruth, Gerhrig, Berra, Williams, Yaz all were pros making contact and even hitting for power. They held the bat properly and simply shifted their weight without exaggerated leg kicks etc. Hitting a ball is a science and approaching hitting like you are playing softball for fun is plain dumb. Hitting technique obviously if not taught in high school, college, minors or majors! Therin lies the problem with most of today's players. Cody Bellinger hits the ball a ton and all he does is a subtle weight shift at the plate. Judge does a good job too as does Freddy Freeman and Ohtani. Just watch them.
I will ask again, are you the orbiter or is On3? Or are you going to delete this post as well?
It’s both. LOTS isn’t coming back so I suggest you accept that and stop hijacking a thread that nobody else has a problem with aside from you.
Dan said on the Trove that it was, so maybe get your stories correct. Thin skin JD…a paying poster asks a legitimate question and you delete it.
I have had this discussion with JD. He does not want an LOTS forum or even OT topics on the Pirate Crew Board for non-SHU discussions. It can be done whether On3 says so or not. Other schools have separate non-related forums up and running.
He did. There was a follow-up post which he deleted.No he didn't.
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Yankees Keep Losing After Trade Deadline
In the eight games since the deadline passed, the Yankees won only two while losing six, including their first five coming out of the July 31 frenzy. But the disappointments surrounding the trade deadline acquisitions go beyond the team’s won-loss results.
As of Sunday morning, two of the acquisitions have been placed on the injured list, another optioned to the minor leagues, while two of the high-leverage relievers picked up in trades have struggled.
The latest bad news came on Sunday morning, when the Yankees announced that versatile utilityman Amed Rosario, who was acquired on July 26, will need to spend at least 10 days on the injured list.
In the eight games since the deadline passed, the Yankees won only two while losing six, including their first five coming out of the July 31 frenzy. But the disappointments surrounding the trade deadline acquisitions go beyond the team’s won-loss results.
As of Sunday morning, two of the acquisitions have been placed on the injured list, another optioned to the minor leagues, while two of the high-leverage relievers picked up in trades have struggled.
The latest bad news came on Sunday morning, when the Yankees announced that versatile utilityman Amed Rosario, who was acquired on July 26, will need to spend at least 10 days on the injured list.