Memo to Tarik Turner

[catholicman]

Every time he does our broadcast, he erroneously says we were selected to finish 9th in the conference. In reality, the Big East coaches chose Seton Hall to finish dead last, 11th out of 11 teams. This makes Shaheen's accomplishment thus far all the more impressive.

Tarik: Do your homework!

 

[ivyhillpark63]

Every time he does our broadcast, he erroneously says we were selected to finish 9th in the conference. In reality, the Big East coaches chose Seton Hall to finish dead last, 11th out of 11 teams. This makes Shaheen's accomplishment thus far all the more impressive.

Tarik: Do your homework!

He also called budd Clark
budd Collins. Lol

 

[Halldan]

How about our coach

Shaaaa heen.

 

[Seton75]

i was thinking he had the old 9 team league in his head when he said that. And we werent just last, we were safely in last with 7 last place votes. And i bet the tenth place votes were out of respect for Sha.

 

[Halldan]

He also called Budd Clark, Budd Collins. Lol

You got a problem with that?

 

[hallwins]

i was thinking he had the old 9 team league in his head when he said that. And we werent just last, we were safely in last with 7 last place votes. And i bet the tenth place votes were out of respect for Sha.

Aside from all these legit comments, I think he does a great job. Watching the Creighton replay, he said 4 or 5 things could happen almost immediately before or as they occurred. I really think he has improved and like his work.

 

[halltheway]

Quite an accomplishment by our coach no matter what.!

 

[ivyhillpark63]

You got a problem with that?

Lol

 

[SHUSource]

He also called budd Clark
budd Collins. Lol

Better than Larry "Bud" Melman.

 

[SHUSource]

How about our coach

Shaaaa heen.

This is actually correct. One of the few to emphasize the first syllable correctly.

 

[NIL BAD]

He’s ok with an experienced PBP guy but Tarik & his partner in the Gtown game were not good. He spoke more than normal & most of his insights were gibberish. You’d think Gtowns big guy was the 2nd comming of Olojuwan by listening to Turner in that game.

 

[Halldan]

This is actually correct. One of the few to emphasize the first syllable correctly.

Shaa heen is fine. Shaaaaa heen is overdoing it.

 

[mjkpa]

What happened to Jim Spanarkel in all of this media rights shuffling?

Update: Should have checked tomorrows announcing team LOL

 

[2timealum]

Tarik is the modern day version of Ralph kiner. Gary Cooper (Carter) Gary (Vince) Coleman…. and many others…On this Mother’s Day we wish all our mother listeners out there a happy birthday! He was the best …

 

[Fishjam]

Every time he does our broadcast, he erroneously says we were selected to finish 9th in the conference. In reality, the Big East coaches chose Seton Hall to finish dead last, 11th out of 11 teams. This makes Shaheen's accomplishment thus far all the more impressive.

Tarik: Do your homework!

Yeah 9th was last year!

 

[Fishjam]

He also called budd Clark
budd Collins. Lol

I thought him or someone called him Budd Carter last game.

 

[MichiganStoleTitle]

How about a Memo from Turner.

 

[PirateBlue08]

This is actually correct. One of the few to emphasize the first syllable correctly.

How do you know it's correct to overemphasize the first syllable? That would not be a standard English pronunciation.

 

[BobbieSolo]

Tarik has improved greatly but it would behoove him to learn from the best color guys to take a few plays off throughout the game. We don't need color every single time the play by play guy isn't talking. Less is more.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Tarik has improved greatly but it would behoove him to learn from the best color guys to take a few plays off throughout the game. We don't need color every single time the play by play guy isn't talking. Less is more.

I agree with you. But sadly I doubt that will happen. It’s a disease that has spread throughout the industry and all sports. Mushnick has been writing about this for years.

Instead of providing thoughtful insights once in a while the analysts simply spew out nonsense the second a play is over to the second the next play begins. It’s worst in football and baseball where the action stops and starts.

 

[SHUSource]

How do you know it's correct to overemphasize the first syllable? That would not be a standard English pronunciation.

Because I know. I grew up with a first name that, although it’s common now, was not at the time and it was constantly mispronounced. Like Shaheen, it is also not derived from English, making standard English pronunciation irrelevant. Anyway, as a result (as well as some years spent doing public address for a college football program), I make it my business to always know how to pronounce names correctly.

 

[Seton75]

How do you know it's correct to overemphasize the first syllable? That would not be a standard English pronunciation.

Standard Englush pronuncuation? Jose? Pierre? Tarik? Sean? Seamus?

 

[lr591902]

Tarik is the modern day version of Ralph kiner. Gary Cooper (Carter) Gary (Vince) Coleman…. and many others…On this Mother’s Day we wish all our mother listeners out there a happy birthday! He was the best …

Maybe he should have a show like Kiner’s Corner. We could call it Tarik’s Table

 

[Seton75]

Tarik is the modern day version of Ralph kiner. Gary Cooper (Carter) Gary (Vince) Coleman…. and many others…On this Mother’s Day we wish all our mother listeners out there a happy birthday! He was the best …

That is SO FUNNY. Ralph was great. And got better with age

 

[PirateBlue08]

Standard Englush pronuncuation? Jose? Pierre? Tarik? Sean? Seamus?

Most English words and first names stress the first syllable. Fact. The only similar rhyming words with "Shaheen" are all pronounced with the second syllable being emphasized.

 

[PirateBlue08]

Because I know. I grew up with a first name that, although it’s common now, was not at the time and it was constantly mispronounced. Like Shaheen, it is also not derived from English, making standard English pronunciation irrelevant. Anyway, as a result (as well as some years spent doing public address for a college football program), I make it my business to always know how to pronounce names correctly.

I don't know what's complicated about this. Although there are exceptions, the standard pronunciation would be to emphasize the latter syllable. Unless there is a specific reason to assume the opposite (which you have been unable to provide) then the "heen" is likely the emphasis. ChatGPT confirms: "Shaheen is typically pronounced shah-HEEN"

Some similar comparable words in English agree with this and are all pronounced with the emphasis on the last syllable.

• machine (ma-SHEEN)
• Nadine (na-DEEN)
• caffeine (caf-FEEN)
• sardine (sar-DEEN)
• marine (ma-REEN)

All of these:

• have second-syllable stress
• end in -een
• differ only in the initial unstressed syllable

 

[SHUSource]

I don't know what's complicated about this. Although there are exceptions, the standard pronunciation would be to emphasize the latter syllable. Unless there is a specific reason to assume the opposite (which you have been unable to provide) then the "heen" is likely the emphasis. ChatGPT confirms: "Shaheen is typically pronounced shah-HEEN"

Some similar comparable words in English agree with this and are all pronounced with the emphasis on the last syllable.

• machine (ma-SHEEN)
• Nadine (na-DEEN)
• caffeine (caf-FEEN)
• sardine (sar-DEEN)
• marine (ma-REEN)

All of these:

• have second-syllable stress
• end in -een
• differ only in the initial unstressed syllable

If you’re leaning on ChatGPT, you‘ve already forfeited the discussion. You could have instead looked toward actual experience-based knowledge and been correct.

If it helps you at all, the name is not from English, so standard English pronunciation couldn’t be more irrelevant. I‘m not sure why you are arguing this futile point.

 

[PirateBlue08]

If you’re leaning on ChatGPT, you‘ve already forfeited the discussion. You could have instead looked toward actual experience-based knowledge and been correct.

If it helps you at all, the name is not from English, so standard English pronunciation couldn’t be more irrelevant. I‘m not sure why you are arguing this futile point.

If you dismiss one of the most powerful tools available today, maybe it's you who have forfeited the discussion.

This isn't even arguable. The way the current announcers are pronouncing it is correct. The emphasis on the "heen".

I listed similar words and names. Can you think of any where the emphasis is on the first syllable? Machine, Nadeen, Caffeine, Sardine, Marine. Shaheen. Same thing. You have no reason to believe otherwise other than we should take your word for it.

 

[lloyde dobler]

This is a very bizarre discussion.

 

[BobbieSolo]

If you dismiss one of the most powerful tools available today, maybe it's you who have forfeited the discussion.

Tells me all I need to know.

 

[SHUSource]

If you dismiss one of the most powerful tools available today, maybe it's you who have forfeited the discussion.

This isn't even arguable. The way the current announcers are pronouncing it is correct. The emphasis on the "heen".

I listed similar words and names. Can you think of any where the emphasis is on the first syllable? Machine, Nadeen, Caffeine, Sardine, Marine. Shaheen. Same thing. You have no reason to believe otherwise other than we should take your word for it.

ChatGPT is only as good as the prompts its given, and the crowd-sourced "knowledge" it's accumulated over time. It's extremely powerful, but not in the way you've tasked it.

You can decide to take my word for it or not, but you could also take Shaheen Holloway's word for it, as well as the people he came up with, who pronounce it SHAH-heen. But you probably know better than he does...

I'll be curious what other completely irrelevant comparisons you can raise while you push that boulder up the hill.

 

[PirateBlue08]

ChatGPT is only as good as the prompts its given, and the crowd-sourced "knowledge" it's accumulated over time. It's extremely powerful, but not in the way you've tasked it.

You can decide to take my word for it or not, but you could also take Shaheen Holloway's word for it, as well as the people he came up with, who pronounce it SHAH-heen. But you probably know better than he does...

I'll be curious what other completely irrelevant comparisons you can raise while you push that boulder up the hill.

YOU are pushing the boulder uphill because every source you can possibly consult will agree that the emphasis is on the second syllable. That is the whole point of why I mentioned ChatGPT, because it is a powerful aggregator of information. And all the information agrees with me.

Shaheen is a name that comes from Persian and it means "hawk" or "falcon." Any source you can find will tell you the emphasis is on the "heen". So not only is that a fact, but it agrees with every other word I mentioned in English that shares these characteristics. All have emphasis on the latter syllable. Machine, Nadeen, Caffeine, Marine, etc. Every conceivable reason points you toward this obvious conclusion.

Meaning, origin and history of the name Shaheen

The meaning, origin and history of the given name Shaheen

www.behindthename.com

Shaheen Holloway Pronunciation

How to say Shaheen Holloway in English? Pronunciation of Shaheen Holloway with 24 audio pronunciations, 1 meaning and more for Shaheen Holloway.

www.howtopronounce.com

So you are claiming everyone is wrong but you are right for no reason other than because you say so? Keep pushing that boulder.

So in this video interview, Fanta is incorrectly pronouncing his name? So everybody on the planet except for Tarik Turner is saying his name wrong? Have another one

 

[PirateBlue08]

Tells me all I need to know.

Keep yelling at the sky. Technology actually is helpful to aggregate data.

 

[VegasPJ1]

Tanks youse guys for da Engolish lessin.

 

[SHUSource]

YOU are pushing the boulder uphill because every source you can possibly consult will agree that the emphasis is on the second syllable. That is the whole point of why I mentioned ChatGPT, because it is a powerful aggregator of information. And all the information agrees with me.

Shaheen is a name that comes from Persian and it means "hawk" or "falcon." Any source you can find will tell you the emphasis is on the "heen". So not only is that a fact, but it agrees with every other word I mentioned in English that shares these characteristics. All have emphasis on the latter syllable. Machine, Nadeen, Caffeine, Marine, etc. Every conceivable reason points you toward this obvious conclusion.

Meaning, origin and history of the name Shaheen

The meaning, origin and history of the given name Shaheen

www.behindthename.com

Shaheen Holloway Pronunciation

How to say Shaheen Holloway in English? Pronunciation of Shaheen Holloway with 24 audio pronunciations, 1 meaning and more for Shaheen Holloway.

www.howtopronounce.com

So you are claiming everyone is wrong but you are right for no reason other than because you say so? Keep pushing that boulder.

So in this video interview, Fanta is incorrectly pronouncing his name? So everybody on the planet except for Tarik Turner is saying his name wrong? Have another one

Everybody but Tarik Turner and Shaheen Holloway himself? Does his opinion of how his name is pronounced carry any weight with you?

For a similar example: I work with a guy named Zahir. Many, many people at this organiztion -- for the most part, the ones whose lived experiences are mostly outside his experience as a Black man -- pronounce it "ze-HEER." But it's actually pronounced "ZAH-heer." He rolls with it, but because I pay attention to these things and routinely discount the collective wisdom of the uninformed, he did comment to me one time that I'm one of the few folks here who hit the first syllable correctly. But, as he says, he'd spend half his day correctly people if he made mention of it every single time, and those things have a way of coming off wrong, especially if you're a Black guy at predominantly white institution. So he rolls along with it. And, as I mentioned earlier, I used to tire of so many people prononcing my name incorrectly and having to correct them, but I had the relative shamelessness of a kid.

So "everyone" who you think is pronouncing it correctly are the mostly white broadcasters who have little lived cultural experience with that name and easily fall into the habit of hitting the second syllable, because that's what it seems like everyone else is doing. It's interesitng that Tarik Turner, another Black guy from New York City, who is just about Holloway's age and came up in the same basketball circles, pronounces it like he does. Maybe he knows something you don't?

You have to be trolling. It's the most generous explanation I can think of for what you're doing.

 

[Seton75]

If Sha says his name in a certain way, isnt that good enough for us? I have a cousin named Jaime. Thank goodness she didnt play hoops.

You might want to meet at the courts on Houston St in NYC to figure this out

 

[PirateBlue08]

Everybody but Tarik Turner and Shaheen Holloway himself? Does his opinion of how his name is pronounced carry any weight with you?

For a similar example: I work with a guy named Zahir. Many, many people at this organiztion -- for the most part, the ones whose lived experiences are mostly outside his experience as a Black man -- pronounce it "ze-HEER." But it's actually pronounced "ZAH-heer." He rolls with it, but because I pay attention to these things and routinely discount the collective wisdom of the uninformed, he did comment to me one time that I'm one of the few folks here who hit the first syllable correctly. But, as he says, he'd spend half his day correctly people if he made mention of it every single time, and those things have a way of coming off wrong, especially if you're a Black guy at predominantly white institution. So he rolls along with it. And, as I mentioned earlier, I used to tire of so many people prononcing my name incorrectly and having to correct them, but I had the relative shamelessness of a kid.

So "everyone" who you think is pronouncing it correctly are the mostly white broadcasters who have little lived cultural experience with that name and easily fall into the habit of hitting the second syllable, because that's what it seems like everyone else is doing. It's interesitng that Tarik Turner, another Black guy from New York City, who is just about Holloway's age and came up in the same basketball circles, pronounces it like he does. Maybe he knows something you don't?

You have to be trolling. It's the most generous explanation I can think of for what you're doing.

Please let us know where Shaheen pronounces his name the way you imply. I've been asking for this and you don't seem able to produce it.

Since you bring up "black culture," I grew up spending a great deal of my childhood in Irvington near 19th Ave and Eastern Parkway and am quite familiar with black pronunciation of black names. For instance I knew a kid from there named "Tamir" and the emphasis was on the second syllable. Tons of kids from that area I knew all had the second syllable, TyREESE, MaLIK, DaSHAWN, TerRELL, JaRAAD, A-MEER, DarNELL, LaMAR, MarQUESE, RaSHAD, JaMAL, MauRICE, RaHEEM, all kids I knew growing up and all had standard second syllable emphasis. Then after we moved to Springfield I went to a private school in Plainfield that was at least 50% black kids and it was exactly the same. There are exceptions, but the rule is second syllable. If Shaheen is opposite, then it's going against the vast majority.

But I would disagree that it's only "white broadcasters" pronouncing his name with the second syllable. There are plenty of black broadcasters that all do it as well, like Gus Johnson, Donny Marshall, etc. In fact, here's a podcast where the host is black and introduces Sha in exactly the way I would.

Show me where anyone other than Tarik Tuner over-emphasizes the first syllable. Including Sha himself.

 

[PirateBlue08]

I have a cousin named Jaime. Thank goodness she didnt play hoops.

You might want to meet at the courts on Houston St in NYC to figure this out

Huh?

 

[SHUSource]

There are exceptions, but the rule is second syllable. If Shaheen is opposite, then it's going against the vast majority.

I never said there was a rule at all, let alone a rule that governs "Black" names. Only that his name is not subject to whatever standard you insist on applying.

I've never heard him day his name where there is not a good, strong emphasis on SHAH, the way you'd say it if you were referring to him by this shortened nickname. Thirty years' worth of hearing it.

 

[PirateBlue08]

I never said there was a rule. Only that his name is not subject to whatever standard you insist on applying.

Sure. Keep thinking you know black culture because you worked with a black guy once. I'll admit to being wrong when you show me clearly that Sha himself pronounces it like Turner.