Military strikes have begun in Iran

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QuaoarsKing

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It wasn't a lie or a mistake. Iran has never stopped trying to develop nukes and they already had enriched uranium that they more than likely were able to secure before the strikes.
China has been shipping ICBM parts in piecemeal fashion and have been a major player in their nuke development.
Come on man, you can't simultaneously believe that Iran's nuclear program was completely obliterated 8 months ago and it's already built back to the point where we have no choice but to attack them because they are about to have one ready to go.
 

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We had to build up enough assets to launch overwhelming strikes on a continuous basis for as long as needed. It takes time to move carrier groups and position assets, etc, etc.
If only the carrier group that was there hadn’t been sent off to the Spanish Main to blow up ski boats.
 
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Come on man, you can't simultaneously believe that Iran's nuclear program was completely obliterated 8 months ago and it's already built back to the point where we have no choice but to attack them because they are about to have one ready to go.
C'mon man you can't possibly admit you don't know the difference between an enrichment facility and the production of an actual weapon utilizing assets and support that you already have? Can you admit that?
 

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Whether it was a lie or a mistake (it was both IMO) it needed to be addressed . The people in charge in Iran right now don't need access to e nukes.

And they shouldn't be in charge. I wish we weren't the only nation in the world both willing and capable of trying to change that, but here we are.
 

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Let’s say this strike needs to happen for argument’s sake. I have no idea if it does or not. What I do know is it is okay to call Trump out for previous statements regarding the previous attack. You can support Trump and still call him out. I’m tired of what he does being treated like he is Jesus and can do no wrong.

I agree with you, but in the face of the obvious media bias against him for a decade now I understand why some on his side swing too far to the blind support side of things.
 
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I agree with you, but in the face of the obvious media bias against him for a decade now I understand why some on his side swing too far to the blind support side of things.
For every media source "biased against" Trump, there is an equally prominent media source "biased in favor of" Trump, not to mention all of the slop on social media. Trump supporters rarely encounter anti-Trump media content in the first place.
 
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C'mon man you can't possibly admit you don't know the difference between an enrichment facility and the production of an actual weapon utilizing assets and support that you already have? Can you admit that?
Better question is "does this president know this?"

His direct assessment: "Monumental Damage was done to all Nuclear sites in Iran, as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is an accurate term!"

Does he know what's going on? Is he making decisions? Is he competent enough to be making these decisions? Was he lying because he knows his base allows it?

Guy looks and sounds more like old man Biden every passing day now - just a few extra big Mac's on the frame. Who is giving him his info and who is making these decisions bc he is not articulating reality.
 

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For every media source "biased against" Trump, there is an equally prominent media source "biased in favor of" Trump, not to mention all of the slop on social media. Trump supporters rarely encounter anti-Trump media content in the first place.

This is simply not true, and no I'm not wasting time debating you on it.

I watch some form of PBS content almost every day, and when I happen to catch anything from them news related it is dripping with obvious bias. I could give a dozen other examples but it wouldn't sway you in the least so...moving on.
 
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I'm not crazy about it and he should answer concerning the first strike and why that was not sufficient. What he has, however, is access to intelligence, and knows way more about the situation than us armchair quarterbacking.
 
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This is simply not true, and no I'm not wasting time debating you on it.

I watch some form of PBS content almost every day, and when I happen to catch anything from them news related it is dripping with obvious bias. I could give a dozen other examples but it wouldn't sway you in the least so...moving on.
I didn't say that anti-Trump content doesn't exist at all, but that there's just as much (if not more) pro-Trump media content out there. Fox News and it's viewers are constantly bragging that they're the #1 rated news network, seemingly unaware of what that implies about the overall state of "media bias"
 

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Fox is one news channel and they aren't 100% in the tank for Trump if you haven't noticed. Unlike the MSM who slobs the knob of any demonrat who comes on. They are also willfully blind on issues that look bad for the dems as well. Give it a rest.
Fox News is the "MSM"
 
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I agree with you, but in the face of the obvious media bias against him for a decade now I understand why some on his side swing too far to the blind support side of things.
Spare me the media bias argument. The people who tend to swing "too far to the blind side" probably never watch any news other than Fox, Newsmax, or OAN and would never deign to watch CNN. Fox routinely owns the majority of market share of "news viewership" but everything else gets labelled "mainstream media." It's ridiculous.

As for this particular situation, this belongs to the Trump Administration and them alone (IMO). They withdrew us from the negotiated deal (right or wrong) and now decided that military action was necessary (right or wrong).

I do believe that if Iran got nukes, they would be more likely to use them than other nations, so the situation needs addressing, but if regime change is the goal here, our track record has not exactly been good.
 

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Fox is one news channel and they aren't 100% in the tank for Trump if you haven't noticed. Unlike the MSM who slobs the knob of any demonrat who comes on. They are also willfully blind on issues that look bad for the dems as well. Give it a rest.
Media is biased towards whatever the owners and stockholders tell it to be biased towards. There's a product for everyone. And that's the problem. It's not viewed as a service to a free society - it's a product to be sold and consumed.
 
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Media is biased towards whatever the owners and stockholders tell it to be biased towards. There's a product for everyone. And that's the problem. It's not viewed as a service to a free society - it's a product to be sold and consumed.
The news hasn't been the news in decades. They deliver a narrative based on their own biases and rarely ever state "just the facts". I haven't watched a news broadcasts in years and don't believe any post on social media if I can't verify it myself with actual facts. Unfortunately most people nowadays automatically believe anything that lines up with their world views and never read past the healines.
 
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I'm not crazy about it and he should answer concerning the first strike and why that was not sufficient. What he has, however, is access to intelligence, and knows way more about the situation than us armchair quarterbacking.
I would bet the Israelis know EXACTLY what Iran's capabilities are right now. Not saying it was or was not justification for us to attack at this point but I am saying there was accurate intelligence available.
 

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Spare me the media bias argument. The people who tend to swing "too far to the blind side" probably never watch any news other than Fox, Newsmax, or OAN and would never deign to watch CNN. Fox routinely owns the majority of market share of "news viewership" but everything else gets labelled "mainstream media." It's ridiculous.

As for this particular situation, this belongs to the Trump Administration and them alone (IMO). They withdrew us from the negotiated deal (right or wrong) and now decided that military action was necessary (right or wrong).

I do believe that if Iran got nukes, they would be more likely to use them than other nations, so the situation needs addressing, but if regime change is the goal here, our track record has not exactly been good.

Watch the nightly news on all of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox and whatever else you consider major and tell me how many lean left and how many lean right.

If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left.

And of course Fox has huge numbers. They are the only network that actually considers the views of an entire half of the country that is ignored by every other network. But I honestly watch it very little.

I also see a lot of libs thinking the right only watches news outlets like Fox. Certainly not true of me (center right) or quite a few friends (farther right than me).
 
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If only you knew how the Navy's fleets operated and their areas of operation. If only you knew what assets are needed for certain operations.
Well I do know we had a carrier group in the area, and it was pulled out and sent to the Caribbean and not replaced. I do not remember us not having a carrier group in the ME in decades. My circle discussed what a huge mistake it was, and we were proved right. Had it been on scene during the protests…Now the protesters are dead.
 

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This is simply not true, and no I'm not wasting time debating you on it.

I watch some form of PBS content almost every day, and when I happen to catch anything from them news related it is dripping with obvious bias. I could give a dozen other examples but it wouldn't sway you in the least so...moving on.
It very much IS true. I look at media from both sides daily.
 

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Well I do know we had a carrier group in the area, and it was pulled out and sent to the Caribbean and not replaced. I do not remember us not having a carrier group in the ME in decades. My circle discussed what a huge mistake it was, and we were proved right. Had it been on scene during the protests…Now the protesters are dead.
Define the "area" that the carrier groups was pulled from please.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Watch the nightly news on all of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox and whatever else you consider major and tell me how many lean left and how many lean right.

If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left.

And of course Fox has huge numbers. They are the only network that actually considers the views of an entire half of the country that is ignored by every other network. But I honestly watch it very little.

I also see a lot of libs thinking the right only watches news outlets like Fox. Certainly not true of me (center right) or quite a few friends (farther right than me).
Your last sentence pointing out that a lot of Trump supporters watch OAN or Newsmax instead undercuts your argument in your first sentence.
 

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Watch the nightly news on all of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox and whatever else you consider major and tell me how many lean left and how many lean right.

If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left.

And of course Fox has huge numbers. They are the only network that actually considers the views of an entire half of the country that is ignored by every other network. But I honestly watch it very little.

I also see a lot of libs thinking the right only watches news outlets like Fox. Certainly not true of me (center right) or quite a few friends (farther right than me).
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Your last sentence pointing out that a lot of Trump supporters watch OAN or Newsmax instead undercuts your argument in your first sentence.

I'm shocked, shocked I say, to see you arguing dishonestly.

Don't type things I didn't say and then make a stupid point about it like you accomplished something.
 

L4Dawg

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Define the "area" that the carrier groups was pulled from please.
It was pulled from the Middle East and sent to the Caribbean. I already said that. We did not have a carrier group within striking distance for something like a month. That was when the protests happened. It was a complete screw up. Hey, those ski boats were a huge existential threat I guess, more so than a potential nuclear Iran.
 

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Iran attacking Dubai is not going to win them any sympathy from Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Syria and large swaths of Iraq. They are doing a great job of pissing off their neighbors.
 

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Watch the nightly news on all of the major networks ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox and whatever else you consider major and tell me how many lean left and how many lean right.

If you're honest, it'll be one to the right and everybody else to the left.

And of course Fox has huge numbers. They are the only network that actually considers the views of an entire half of the country that is ignored by every other network. But I honestly watch it very little.

I also see a lot of libs thinking the right only watches news outlets like Fox. Certainly not true of me (center right) or quite a few friends (farther right than me).
I did qualify that statement with "people who tend to swing 'too far to the blind side'", so I wasn't including everyone who watches Fox.

It seems we define "mainstream" differently (number of viewers vs number of options) which is OK as long as we understand how we are defining the term when we are discussing the situation.
 
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