Military Strikes on Iran Imminent
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Just because you (or I) don't know it doesn't mean that there isn't a plan. Its not goig to be announced!
We're on day 2 and and we're going to be smoking IRGC for the next few weeks. Regime change to "normal" would be the best outcome, and IMHO we/israel are going to try and help that along. However maybe the help we're willing to give doesn't get the job done. If it doesnt, then at least Iran will be so degraded that their capacity for shennanigans will be much, much, much less. I'm also of the opinion that after this, Israel's Mossad will be more active and more effective in Iran going forward.
I don't think that i'm making some big prediction. We are smoking the hell of out their military capability. Regime change is not for certain.
True but a lot closer than they were. They need to arm some of the citizens to take it into their own hands.
I respect your posts alot, and I've learned from them.
However, the amount of propaganda, drivel, and complete falsities that are posted CONSTANTLY from the MAGA adherents on this board from X is literally constant. @dpic73 was wrong here, and like someone with integrity, owned it. He apologized.
You pop up every now and then, moreso lately, but I haven't seen you push on the constant stream of MAGA Twitter/X propaganda in this forum. While the non-Maga's on this board will post from CNN, or articles that can be deemed as biased at times, almost ALL of them are careful to make sure they fact check and make sure what they post is verified. The MAGA crew on here doesn't.
It doesn't pass the consistency test for you to FINALLY call it out in one instance where a non-MAGA poster posted something that was untrue from X.
I mean, I respect that you have higher expectations for non-MAGA's (obviously I do too) than MAGA's but it certainly leads to me to other questions ideologically about your perspective.
I am more conservative than not. I am not down with bad process though. I’ll take bad decisions, but not bad process
Fair, I respect that and feel similarly though on the other side.
Still, better to call the plank in your own side's eye than the speck in the other- I try and do the same on this aisle.
Ftr I did note the idiocy of one attempted joke thread earlier today.
Yikes, Iran just doesn't GAF anymore.
"The US embassy in Riyadh has issued a security alert advising American citizens to “shelter in place immediately”.
The embassy’s post on X said:
Fox News is reporting that the embassy was empty at the time of the strike and there were no injuries."
www.theguardian.com
"The US embassy in Riyadh has issued a security alert advising American citizens to “shelter in place immediately”.
The embassy’s post on X said:
The alert came as a Saudi defence ministry spokesperson was quoted as saying an attack by two drones on the embassy had caused a fire.
Fox News is reporting that the embassy was empty at the time of the strike and there were no injuries."
Israel-US war on Iran live: fire at US embassy in Riyadh after drone strike; state department urges all Americans to leave Middle East
Donald Trump says the war could go on for four-five weeks, adding US has ‘capability to go far longer’
www.theguardian.com
They have been directly or indirectly killing Americans for decades and they know this is the end game for their nuclear ambitions and for their ability to project power. Every missile they fire into one of the other gulf states isolates them further.Yikes, Iran just doesn't GAF anymore.
"The US embassy in Riyadh has issued a security alert advising American citizens to “shelter in place immediately”.
The embassy’s post on X said:
The alert came as a Saudi defence ministry spokesperson was quoted as saying an attack by two drones on the embassy had caused a fire.
Fox News is reporting that the embassy was empty at the time of the strike and there were no injuries."
Israel-US war on Iran live: fire at US embassy in Riyadh after drone strike; state department urges all Americans to leave Middle East
Donald Trump says the war could go on for four-five weeks, adding US has ‘capability to go far longer’
Agreed but is it not curious that it seems like they're begging to be annihilated? They will be surrounded on all sides by enemies willing to give them the martyrdom they appear to be seeking.
I'd say it is a symptom of chains of command and communications being decimated so maybe some uncoordinated decisions being made at lower levels . But, on the other hand they seem to be aiming at us. The reality is they are in a no win situation. They are screwed no matter what they do. Stripped of their power and with strong us leadership and engagement in the region they are not going to get any love from their neighbors no matter what they do.
Truth.
NATO: I'm old enough to remember when Trump wondered aloud whether NATO would come to our aid if we called for their help. He was right, again. NATO allies - UK, Germany, France & Spain refused to let us use OUR bases in their countries for the strike against Iran. Of course, now that British citizens are being attacked in Dubai they've changed their mind. Things are going so well France decided to send their carrier strike group there. Fair weather friends indeed.
h/t @drchrisnewton
NATO: I'm old enough to remember when Trump wondered aloud whether NATO would come to our aid if we called for their help. He was right, again. NATO allies - UK, Germany, France & Spain refused to let us use OUR bases in their countries for the strike against Iran. Of course, now that British citizens are being attacked in Dubai they've changed their mind. Things are going so well France decided to send their carrier strike group there. Fair weather friends indeed.
h/t @drchrisnewton
Wasn't that literally the complaint when we were sending supplies to Ukraine from MAGA?
i have to say, having heard the rubio clip, which essentially said the emergency preemptive use of force was justified because of intel that iran would attack an ally (or allies) is ... novel.
Cue the Superman movie scenario... (that said, I have my doubts that even the iranians would be dumb enough to build an underground nuclear testing lab in one of the more seismically active areas in their country, if not the broader region)
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There’s a bomb manufacturing facility in McCalister. OK with huge bunkers in the god awful amount stacked to the ceilings with bombs
no fuses
I could not imagine the US running out
Indeed I am. That doesn't make me uninterested in what the stated, WPA required justification is, and whether that justification is the sort of thing the WPA had in mind, or for that matter, what Article II had in mind. Candidly, I was hoping for better. Because I'm also a citizen, who votes.
To be balanced here, I'd also note that Warner's comments this morning about 'shifting justifications' play a little fast and loose with things. And I say that with some degree of respect for Warner (which is seemingly deteriorating by the day as he is up for reelection this fall and has decided to step into the limelight much more than his otherwise professional approach has historically entailed.)
As I noted earlier, we've crossed the Rubicon (no pun intended), and so the real question now is what we make of it in the next sixty (or more, if Congress allows) days.
Well we had to have enough to take care of emerging things in the middle east and elsewhere and still have enough to deter, and if needed fight and win a conventional fight with China over Taiwan right?
I think this is one where everyone is right. We are almost "out" but at the same time we're not going to run out tomorrow.
"out" doesnt' necessarily mean " zero left" . Just like airplanes and fuel. Its considered 'out of fuel' when they have reached their minimum safe level and have to move directly to a place to land. Literally having no fuel and starting to crash is also 'out of fuel' ... but that's way worse.
This fight is one that we need to finish and we have enought to do that job, but i'm sure strategic planners and those in the know are watching magazine inventory in the middle east deplete at epic rates and our strategic stockpiles tick down and are concerned.
Its a reality that we let our munition production capability atrophy to little more than training replacment levels over the years. Our stockpiles of many munitions have been reduced greatly and/or not at sufficient levels. If you look at ukraine... that war continues to chew through 155mm arty rounds of all flavors. ATACMs and MLRS rockets as well. We've already started ramping production of 155mm and Europe is also doing the same so, while Ukraine needs much more, i think the 155MM situation in Ukraine has stabilized a bit since Europe is helping more. (i could be wrong). Use of ATACMs/MLRS has slowed partly due to ammunition, but also due to vulinerability of the launchers and the Russians adapting and providing less lucrative targets.
The real bottleneck is Air and Ballistic Missile Defense. Land based and sea based. Our Air Defense missiles (of all types) are super capable but super expensive and we dont' make many each month/year. The proliferation of cheap drones and other missile threats has brought mass back into the equation. Use is way way outstripping production. Taking THAAD for example ( high altitued air and ballistic missile defense) we make +-8 per month (and that's an increase from years back). We used over 150 missiles in 12 days defending Israel last year. AI says that was 25% of our total inventory.
Patriot (air defense workhorse) missiles are also critically low. - AI puts us at about 25% of stockpiles remaining . AI says ukraine is burning through 60-70 per month and that rationed use agains the highest priority targets and to defend the highest priority areas. We've burnt though hundreds in the last couple days, i'd have to guess.
Also TLAMs (Sea-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles). We are going to need the **** out of those in any future fights (think china). So far in this latest fight vs Iran , AI says that we have expended 5 YEARS worth of production.
Lastly "out" can also mean, zero left in the combat theatre or maybe in the case of ships, the ship has zero left, or only enough to defend itself. The ship has to leave the fight to reload, maybe our expenditure was greater than planned and we are in danger of running out if we don't dont accelerate the replenishment in theater from strategic stockpiles.
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Bombs? No. We're precision bombing and not carpet bombing WWII style. That's not the issue. I think we're also capable of ramping production of add-on precision guidence kits, and have domestic capacity to produce fuses that can ramp to replenish stockpiles.
But with that said, the US has to currently rely on imported materials to make fuzes. Sounds crazy, but ask AI. I know the Admin/DoW is working on stockpiling that stuff and establishing domestic sources of production but we're not there yet.
Anyone who acts like you do online has serious mental issues. You wouldn't slap anyone. You're just an obnoxious mouth.
Magas jumping ship left and right. No pushback from Kelly.
Nothing like a wacko liberal who hates MTG using MTG. Same thing atheists do regarding Christians. Talk about hypocrites. Full blown TDS.
Full blown TDS is a normal condition for anyone with a moral compass and you don't have to be a wacko liberal to have the syndrome. Being a decent person is all it takes.
I think you are also speaking to Trump tariffs
Trump considers all of the supply side national emergency issues and the Supreme Court thinks of them as a WOKE ISSUE
We need to make sure USA has every needed resource for defending this country being procured in this country